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I'm disappointed in both the release method and the seating, Promo + Miracle Worker + Command is three strikes of things I don't like. Thanks for saving me some money Cryptic.
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I'm told that the DSC Constitution is 150% the size of the TOS Constitution as far as the game's ship models go.
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It's so strange what they are doing with the colors on these ships. The discovery d7 was essentially black (or as dark as the Vengeance) on the show:
But they have made it drastically lighter for the game:
I wonder if CBS is forcing them to change how they look for some reason? It's clearly not the game's graphics, because we already have the Vengeance in game and it's the right black color.
Did they send the Constitution through a Debigulator between 2257 and 2265?
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I'm told that the DSC Constitution is 150% the size of the TOS Constitution as far as the game's ship models go.
So it's almost the size of the KT then.. isn't?
Ingame, sort of. The ingame Konni is about Galaxy sized, so 600ish metres and the DSC Conni ingame is about 450ish.
In terms of the films/TV, the DSC/TOS Conni (450ish m) is about 100m longer than the KT Conni (360ish m).
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I'm told that the DSC Constitution is 150% the size of the TOS Constitution as far as the game's ship models go.
So it's almost the size of the KT then.. isn't?
Ingame, sort of. The ingame Konni is about Galaxy sized, so 600ish metres and the DSC Conni ingame is about 450ish.
In terms of the films/TV, the DSC/TOS Conni (450ish m) is about 100m longer than the KT Conni (360ish m).
Ahh, i see, thanks… i'm trying to put the ship in perspective with my other ships… i have the T6 version and the KT, i always found that the KT is too big, and the Temporal too small, so that size is kind of nice, actually… a middle ground..
Did they send the Constitution through a Debigulator between 2257 and 2265?
Despite the "its prime" hype from CBS it is obviously a different ship made with completely different, less efficient technology in a timeline close to but not quite that of the shows produced before ENT, one that requires a ship with the same number of crew and roughly equivalent systems to be over 50% larger just to do the same job.
Or at least a lesser version of the same job anyway. If the weapons and targeting systems were up to TOS standards that "fighter" trick would never have worked for instance.
I'm told that the DSC Constitution is 150% the size of the TOS Constitution as far as the game's ship models go.
So it's almost the size of the KT then.. isn't?
Ingame, sort of. The ingame Konni is about Galaxy sized, so 600ish metres and the DSC Conni ingame is about 450ish.
In terms of the films/TV, the DSC/TOS Conni (450ish m) is about 100m longer than the KT Conni (360ish m).
Ahh, i see, thanks… i'm trying to put the ship in perspective with my other ships… i have the T6 version and the KT, i always found that the KT is too big, and the Temporal too small, so that size is kind of nice, actually… a middle ground..
If they'd taken the ENT MSD as the scale for the TOS Conni instead of some non-canon figures from a 50 year old book in the first place and taken the actual model scale for the Konni instead of some calculation errors from the Blu-ray special features then, (with a little fudging to make the Konni slightly bigger) you'd be able to mix and match all 8 versions of the Conni together.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I'm told that the DSC Constitution is 150% the size of the TOS Constitution as far as the game's ship models go.
So it's almost the size of the KT then.. isn't?
Ingame, sort of. The ingame Konni is about Galaxy sized, so 600ish metres and the DSC Conni ingame is about 450ish.
In terms of the films/TV, the DSC/TOS Conni (450ish m) is about 100m longer than the KT Conni (360ish m).
Ahh, i see, thanks… i'm trying to put the ship in perspective with my other ships… i have the T6 version and the KT, i always found that the KT is too big, and the Temporal too small, so that size is kind of nice, actually… a middle ground..
If they'd taken the ENT MSD as the scale for the TOS Conni instead of some non-canon figures from a 50 year old book in the first place and taken the actual model scale for the Konni instead of some calculation errors from the Blu-ray special features then, (with a little fudging to make the Konni slightly bigger) you'd be able to mix and match all 8 versions of the Conni together.
What "50 year old book" are you talking about? The TOS Enterprise length was officially set by Matt Jefferies which is about as canon as you can get. The old tech manual and deck plans drawn by Franz Joseph and other possibilities for the book you are referring to just used the official canon length from Jefferies for the most part.
Why would the ship need to be bigger anyway? Bigger is not always better. The TOS version was about the same length as an Iowa-class battleship from WWII or a Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carrier from the UK today, and only had about 440 people rattling around in it.
The temporal cold war seems to have done rather extensive damage to the tech level in DSC since it apparently has not advanced as far from the ENT era as the TOS/Cage technology did despite the "cooler" looks. In fact, if you take a very close look at the DSC Enterprise it has a lot of details directly from the ENT era that the TOS Federation obviously left behind sometime before 2245 when their version of the NCC-1701 was built but are still present in the DSC Federation.
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Yea better go for the alternative then. Did so with all my promo ships.
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I'm disappointed in both the release method and the seating, Promo + Miracle Worker + Command is three strikes of things I don't like. Thanks for saving me some money Cryptic.
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Larger tan the KT one?, or smaller than that?
Not that big I don't believe
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But they have made it drastically lighter for the game:
I wonder if CBS is forcing them to change how they look for some reason? It's clearly not the game's graphics, because we already have the Vengeance in game and it's the right black color.
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
So it's almost the size of the KT then.. isn't?
> Will existing Connies & D7 ships access the new Disco models?
LOL no.
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I knew that answer already, but hey, there was a child inside me that was clinging to a dream still
Ingame, sort of. The ingame Konni is about Galaxy sized, so 600ish metres and the DSC Conni ingame is about 450ish.
In terms of the films/TV, the DSC/TOS Conni (450ish m) is about 100m longer than the KT Conni (360ish m).
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Ahh, i see, thanks… i'm trying to put the ship in perspective with my other ships… i have the T6 version and the KT, i always found that the KT is too big, and the Temporal too small, so that size is kind of nice, actually… a middle ground..
Despite the "its prime" hype from CBS it is obviously a different ship made with completely different, less efficient technology in a timeline close to but not quite that of the shows produced before ENT, one that requires a ship with the same number of crew and roughly equivalent systems to be over 50% larger just to do the same job.
Or at least a lesser version of the same job anyway. If the weapons and targeting systems were up to TOS standards that "fighter" trick would never have worked for instance.
If they'd taken the ENT MSD as the scale for the TOS Conni instead of some non-canon figures from a 50 year old book in the first place and taken the actual model scale for the Konni instead of some calculation errors from the Blu-ray special features then, (with a little fudging to make the Konni slightly bigger) you'd be able to mix and match all 8 versions of the Conni together.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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What "50 year old book" are you talking about? The TOS Enterprise length was officially set by Matt Jefferies which is about as canon as you can get. The old tech manual and deck plans drawn by Franz Joseph and other possibilities for the book you are referring to just used the official canon length from Jefferies for the most part.
Why would the ship need to be bigger anyway? Bigger is not always better. The TOS version was about the same length as an Iowa-class battleship from WWII or a Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carrier from the UK today, and only had about 440 people rattling around in it.
The temporal cold war seems to have done rather extensive damage to the tech level in DSC since it apparently has not advanced as far from the ENT era as the TOS/Cage technology did despite the "cooler" looks. In fact, if you take a very close look at the DSC Enterprise it has a lot of details directly from the ENT era that the TOS Federation obviously left behind sometime before 2245 when their version of the NCC-1701 was built but are still present in the DSC Federation.