Can anyone tell me which real Star Fleet captain would let any crew member sacrifice themselves for his own safety, let alone cower in a cave while three officers under his command, valiantly, purposefully, give their lives for his? Lorca's conduct was reprehensible and he should never wear a Star Fleet uniform again.
Would Kirk? Would Picard? Would Archer? We all know the answer to that. Janeway might, but certainly The Sisko would rather lose his life before seeing a crew member take his disruptor blast.
The next episode in the Age of Discovery story line must be Lorca's Court Martial. If there is any justice left in Star Fleet, this man should be prosecuted.
One of the Starfleet Command tests is about whether you're willing to send one of your officers to certain death to save the rest of the team. So Starfleet commanding officers are definitely trained to be willing to sacrifice others.
His conduct is not uncommon, and it could have happened under any Captain.
He also isn't cowering - he's injured and in need of more medical attention than available.
There's also the idea that Picard and IIRC Kirk too have activated the Self-destruct on their ship with the express intention of killing everyone on board. Lorca's actions aren't that far from the norm considering the situation.
Oh and Sisko did send people to "take his disruptor blast" well polaron blast but close enough, when he was working in Admiral Ross' staff, he didn't like it but he knew that was his duty and as other have pointed out Lorca was injured and in need of medical attention not avaible in your ship, thus he was staying out of combat until there was no option.
Would Kirk, Picard, Archer, Janeway or Sisko have done the same, most likely they're not stupid after all, they wouldn't like doing it but would know that sacrifices must sometimes be done and they're more important to the war effort then a random crewmember.
There's reallu only 2 things that were abnormal in Lorca behaviour that he was the only surviour of the Buran (traditionally the captain is the last to leave the ship if they leave at all and everything point that Starfleet hold true to this tradition) and his ruthlessness when it came to combating enemies.
I just want to pitch in that Starfleet is one word. It's Starfleet... Not Star Fleet.. Or StarFleet... It's Starfleet.
Thank you.
Also I reacted to this at first, why the hell is the Captain one of the FEW who survive. But as my friend explained (since I never watched Discovery) he is the mirror version, so he just does his thing to save his own life. lol.
I think people miss the point here. The OP has made a valid observation from the point of view of someone who has Starfleet ideals in mind. In universe, Lorca would probably be viewed contentiously for his actions and philosophy. Its not the Starfleet way. While no one in universe knows why, they still should have lampshaded the issue. I could have missed a few lines of dialogue that try to do that, but I was playing through that mission just scratching my head at this guy.
Now, I have never seen TRIBBLE (edit: Discovery, thanks for stupid censoring of acronyms!) and don't care to. I've heard absolutely nothing good about it from people I trust, so I'll pass. So like the OP, I was raising an eyebrow over Lorca, the biggest one of all being how the captain didn't go down with the ship, him being the only one who got out alive.
The mission doesn't have any of my Boffs, nor Quinn even bat an eye at any of Lorca's antics, and that is the real issue. Yes they don't know he's from the MU, but neither do I, but I do know there is something off with the guy while no one else from the current prime universe seems to notice or mention the fact.
The OP has made a valid observation from the point of view...
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Now, I have never seen... Discovery... and don't care to. I've heard absolutely nothing good about it from people I trust, so I'll pass.
And that is why your post is equally as invalid as the OPs.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Yeah. The acronym most used for Discovery is Disc. The censored acronym is also an acronym for sxually transmitted disease.
I haven't caught all of the Disc eps, but I have been spoiled by someone who has. I do watch them when I'm not playing on my computer and the husband is watching them as he has access to CBS All-Access vie his Roku that our son gave to him.
I think the ep was well-written and I enjoyed playing both of them. I'm looking forward to the next ones and our inevitable encounter with J'Ula in our timeline.
Now a LTS and loving it.
Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything.
As I explained in detail, Mirror Lorca's actions on Priors 5D aren't really that far from what an actual starfleet officer would do given the situation.
lets review the survivors from the shuttle crash shall, We got Gabriel Lorca a starfleet captain, a high value target the klingons want capture for intel, who also badly injured (that's why we were in the shuttle in the first place), Ellen Landry a starfleet commander and Lorca's XO (semi-valueble as well for intel but we can excuse Akaar not knowing that), Amna Patel Lt. Commander tactical specialist (chief of security to be exact) of no real value to the klingons what so ever, Lt. Kerwin engineering specialist again of little value to the klingons, (our character) acting captain of (our ship) but only Lt by rank, ensign Th'pev(sic) tactical specialist of little value to klingons, and 2 ensigns of little value to klingons.
Of those only Lorca (and possibly our character) is of any real value to the klingons and since he's badly injured Lorca is in no condition to fight, so sending him to the frontlines would just cause him to be a burden to the group and would most likely cause the klingons to capture him and leave or alternatively kill everyone else either way it wouldn't be good for the party.
Also important thing about "captain goes down with the ship" it's a tradition not a rule so it wouldn't be rule breaking for the captain to flee first and honestly no one at Prior's World was actually in the right state of mind to question it and for the rest Mirror Lorca is smart enough to spin as something that he needed to do.
Still if you actually watched Discovery you'd know that thing was brought up, not to prove he wasn't from the Prime universe as the Discovery crew didn't know about the mirrorverse until they ended up in there, but rather to question if Lorca was fit to command.
As for Landry remember that her death happened at most 6 months after the event or 7 if you assume the timeline between the start 3rd episode and Landry's death in the 4th episode is 1 month as it was stated in the 3rd episode that it's been 6 months since the Battle of the Binary Stars (and the start of the war). More likely timeline places the battles at Prior's World at least a month into the war.
Spoiler warning after 2 years? xD Dudes a troll. Disco isnt great to be honest though, writers have no idea what they are doing. But what I find funny is that the STO writers can make it fun and interesting. xD So good on them!
So, i haven't watched much of DSC so i know my opinion will be ignored. I just couldn't really get into it and i LOATHE the Klingon aesthetics. I have read up on memory-alpha so i at least know much of the canon stuff. The thing I disliked the most about the show( an overemotional(strange she was supposedly raised by Vulcans...) mutineer being the main character) was kinda explained when the truth about Mirror Lorca came out.
As far as the comments about it not being noticed well memory-alpha has this to say "The fact that he appeared to have been the only survivor caused him to get a negative reputation among other Starfleet personnel, as typically captains were expected to go down with their ships." So it was noticed in his timeline, though I dont think anyone other than the discovery crew/section 31 knew he was the Mirror version. But all that was AFTER this mission, so...
It is true that Quinn/the sim writers/you and your crew SHOULD, even as a throw away comment, notice it being odd and unstarfleet like though.
Oh, that's fair. Just go ahead and slap that label around. It must be easy for someone in a position of authority...
Star Fleet should have known about a MU Lorca. It isn't hard to get the feel. Ya know?
There are reasons why he was able to manipulate himself into Star Fleet.
Unfortunately, since you don't watch the show you are not familiar with the entire story. You are bashing the writing and the story without having the full understanding of what is happening.
If you don't like DISCO or don't wish to watch it, then ok.. fair enough. But please understand that aspects of the story are not going to make sense to you and you have to be prepared for that.
You're not the only one.. I have no idea what that is either.
Does it become necessary to watch that program to enjoy the Game? Shouldn't the game have self contained plot information? I mean, Adm. Quinn should have known that Lorca was a Terran by the time he offered the mission. Why not tell us? I was aghast at his conduct.
P.S. I was bashing Lorca's conduct, not the writing. The mission was fun enough, I just couldn't see Lorca as a real SF Captain.
The mission is a 'holographic' mission that happened in the past. Adm. Quinn DID know because it's part of history. Lorca was extremely intelligent and a master of manipulation. The Admiralty in the past did have their suspicions, but Lorca operated just bordering on the acceptable. You are only playing the part of another Captain during something that had already happened, and it becomes obvious that you are 'someone' else if you listen to the dialogue, so what you do doesn't change anything within the timeline, because as I said, this is a holographic re-creation.
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
Im willing to bet 1Bil EC that the OP will hate the new Picard show as well and anything STO integrates from that show!
Any takers?
There's a good chance, and it's already known that there may well be elements of STO with-in 'Picard' as CBS have asked Cryptic for info on events leading up-to 2409 in STO.
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
Yeah. The acronym most used for Discovery is Disc.
Really? In fact that's the first time I've seen it used by anyone. It's DSC officially, DIS by the fansite given undue prominence Memory Alpha, and Disco casually by fans. I've never once seen 'Disc'.
And that is why your post is equally as invalid as the OPs.
Absolutely right.
Just another poster telling us how something they have never seen sucks or doesn't make sense.
Blah blah blah..
It's more of the usual, 'my ignorance is as valid as your knowledge' stuff. I had hoped people who haven't or weren't going to watch DSC would have given up trolling by now leaving the discussion to people who could be bothered tuning in, but apparently not.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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> How did that happen, and he should be exposed by the facts of the "Impossibility of Reason" mission. No one else in Star Fleet noticed this? They just let him go on being a star ship captain?
So you just ignored that sisko violated a weapons ban signed by all governments in Trek and never faced disciplinary action?
The weapons that are banned by all governments you think of are subspace weapons.
Captain Sisko used Quantum warheads with a cargo pod containing Trilitihum resin. Trilitihum is a highly explosive substance but it's in no way banned, infact it's formed as a byproduct of a starship's warp drive. So every Starfleet ship has Trilitihum resin available.
You can even get these "weapons" in Star Trek Online. But in STO you use a Tricobalt torpedo (Not Starfleet issue, but Starfleet has equipped them on ships before, example U.S.S. Voyager) while Sisko used Quantum torpedoes.
Sisko used a standard Starfleet weapon with a cargo pod that had a highly explosive and dangerous waste product created by warp engines, it was not by the book. But he did not use restricted weaponry.
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> Sisko used a standard Starfleet weapon with a cargo pod that had a highly explosive and dangerous waste product created by warp engines, it was not by the book. But he did not use restricted weaponry.
Sisko used a Biogenic weapon, those are banned by more governments than subspace weapons.
It says "The Federation generally disapproved of the use of such weapons." to disapprove of something and for it to be illegal/banned are two very different things.
Lorca was not that bad as a captain, he went out of his way to help Federation ships and colonies as skipper of the Discovery and even spared the Discovery crew out of respect.
The switch was obvious though, no Federation captain would leave his crew to die and get into an escape pod.
"The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory."
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
With this new Age, it is assumed or required that we/I watch the new program to understand the interactions. A poor choice in my view. But consumerism must prevail, I guess.
Nope. That's how tie-ins have always worked. That's also how Delta Rising worked. Despite your assumption to the contrary it actually didn't hold your hand through the characters and their relationships to each other and the plot. It required a familiarity with VGR so much so that the Devs posted a list of recommended episodes.
Though it does at least show you to be consistent about pretending to be an expert enough to formulate opinions on shows you've not watched and just randomly make things up.
Also, fictional works tying into each other is how franchises work, that's not consumerism, that's narrative. Come on, this is hardly advanced level English literature, put some effort into the trolling.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Quite a lot of posturing here. I was expecting some knee-jerk defense of the Discovery stuff, but there are some respondents who need to take a break.
You posted a strong statement about Lorca, and people are debating it. Is everyone being civil and calm? Doesn't look like it. But you can't post a strong opinion and not expect people to come in and discuss it - on a discussion forum.
Think it's time for /thread at this point, @baddmoonrizin.
Quite a lot of posturing here. I was expecting some knee-jerk defense of the Discovery stuff, but there are some respondents who need to take a break.
You posted a strong statement about Lorca, and people are debating it. Is everyone being civil and calm? Doesn't look like it. But you can't post a strong opinion and not expect people to come in and discuss it - on a discussion forum.
Think it's time for /thread at this point, @baddmoonrizin.
Ooh, sweet. Remote Moderation. Nice.
People are also debating if I have to watch a TV program in order to comment on a mission in a video game. Is that ok with you? It appears you have some extra knowledge of what's ok. So I ask...
Well, I mean yeah saying you need to watch Disco to understand the Disco missions is a fair statement. This is the first time STO has been running alongside a series, so there will be tie-ins. And with these latest missions, they're very much background setups for what happens in the show.
And yes, remote moderation. You're lashing out at people who disagree with your strong opinion. You can't just drop an opinion in the forum and expect to create an echo chamber for your thoughts. So this thread does probably need to be closed, because you and others are moving from attacking the point to attacking the person making the point. That's generally where discussion ends, both here and irl.
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Yeah. The acronym most used for Discovery is Disc. The censored acronym is also an acronym for sxually transmitted disease.
I haven't caught all of the Disc eps, but I have been spoiled by someone who has. I do watch them when I'm not playing on my computer and the husband is watching them as he has access to CBS All-Access vie his Roku that our son gave to him.
I think the ep was well-written and I enjoyed playing both of them. I'm looking forward to the next ones and our inevitable encounter with J'Ula in our timeline.
I've only seen it as TRIBBLE. I don't see a reason that is invalid. Its certainly as valid as STV, STE for Voyager and Enterprise. In any case, I will continue using TRIBBLE as that seems to be completely understood in game and anywhere else I see people talk about Discovery. I won't let censorship dictate what words I use when they are completely valid and in common use.
So, i haven't watched much of DSC so i know my opinion will be ignored. I just couldn't really get into it and i LOATHE the Klingon aesthetics. I have read up on memory-alpha so i at least know much of the canon stuff. The thing I disliked the most about the show( an overemotional(strange she was supposedly raised by Vulcans...) mutineer being the main character) was kinda explained when the truth about Mirror Lorca came out.
As far as the comments about it not being noticed well memory-alpha has this to say "The fact that he appeared to have been the only survivor caused him to get a negative reputation among other Starfleet personnel, as typically captains were expected to go down with their ships." So it was noticed in his timeline, though I dont think anyone other than the discovery crew/section 31 knew he was the Mirror version. But all that was AFTER this mission, so...
It is true that Quinn/the sim writers/you and your crew SHOULD, even as a throw away comment, notice it being odd and unstarfleet like though.
And this is definitely my issue here. Not Quinn, nor my Boffs mentioned anything (as far as I remember) about Lorca being the only one to survive.
And I also find it weird that no one else who was with him commented either. The emotional girl (Landry?) I can give a pass because she was overly emotional about finding him alive. The whizkid and the Andorian though, I have to wonder why they didn't mention anything about it. Not even something like "You were the only one to make it out alive, captain?" It was very weird to me that no one mentioned it. That he did it makes a lot more sense when you know he is selfish MU captain Lorca, but everyone else should have been wondering why no one else made it out alive.
I thought we bought Mirror Lorca to us by transporting him to the cave using the emergency shuttlee transporter. They did go to great lengths to point out how risky that was.
Since it doesn't seem to have been answered yet, "gatekeeping" here refers to "deciding yourself what is properly part of Star Trek and what isn't". Not liking Discovery is okay, however wanting DSC content removed (not in this thread, has happened in others), deciding "it is not canon cause I said so" (again other threads) is gatekeeping ("you're not getting in with these shoes" bouncer style). Here bmr probably referred to your post reading a bit like "I don't watch Discovery, any therefore unexplained story elements are not my fault, because knowing DSC isn't necessary to Star Trek knowledge").
As for the writers of the simulation surely knowing about the mirroricity of Lorca: it doesn't really matter. A simulation of a situation should give you said situation as it unfolded at the time, otherwise it would be something different. Now those partaking in the simulation may have additional knowledge, but if nobody knew Lorca was switched at the time then nobody in the simulation should know.
Whats this notion that Starfleet captains have to sacrifice themselves for their crew???
It's pretty dumb for a Captain with experience during a war to sacrifice himself for some ensigns if said ensign wants to fine..... Starfleet is going to need experience captains especially during wartime they don't want them taking bullets for Ensign Ricky
Also even if it was Prime Lorca he was injured and he did want the phaser from you to fight when the cave was being overrun so he wasn't cowering he did want to go out fighting ...its not like he ordered her to kill herself she took it upon herself to do it, and once again he was injured he was not gonna run over and stop her and they all die...needs of the many people
Also...why didn't you stop her....who's the real bad captain
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Oh and Sisko did send people to "take his disruptor blast" well polaron blast but close enough, when he was working in Admiral Ross' staff, he didn't like it but he knew that was his duty and as other have pointed out Lorca was injured and in need of medical attention not avaible in your ship, thus he was staying out of combat until there was no option.
Would Kirk, Picard, Archer, Janeway or Sisko have done the same, most likely they're not stupid after all, they wouldn't like doing it but would know that sacrifices must sometimes be done and they're more important to the war effort then a random crewmember.
There's reallu only 2 things that were abnormal in Lorca behaviour that he was the only surviour of the Buran (traditionally the captain is the last to leave the ship if they leave at all and everything point that Starfleet hold true to this tradition) and his ruthlessness when it came to combating enemies.
Thank you.
Also I reacted to this at first, why the hell is the Captain one of the FEW who survive. But as my friend explained (since I never watched Discovery) he is the mirror version, so he just does his thing to save his own life. lol.
Now, I have never seen TRIBBLE (edit: Discovery, thanks for stupid censoring of acronyms!) and don't care to. I've heard absolutely nothing good about it from people I trust, so I'll pass. So like the OP, I was raising an eyebrow over Lorca, the biggest one of all being how the captain didn't go down with the ship, him being the only one who got out alive.
The mission doesn't have any of my Boffs, nor Quinn even bat an eye at any of Lorca's antics, and that is the real issue. Yes they don't know he's from the MU, but neither do I, but I do know there is something off with the guy while no one else from the current prime universe seems to notice or mention the fact.
That's because the acronym for the show is DSC. Notice how that's not censored.
And that is why your post is equally as invalid as the OPs.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Absolutely right.
Just another poster telling us how something they have never seen sucks or doesn't make sense.
Blah blah blah..
I haven't caught all of the Disc eps, but I have been spoiled by someone who has. I do watch them when I'm not playing on my computer and the husband is watching them as he has access to CBS All-Access vie his Roku that our son gave to him.
I think the ep was well-written and I enjoyed playing both of them. I'm looking forward to the next ones and our inevitable encounter with J'Ula in our timeline.
lets review the survivors from the shuttle crash shall, We got Gabriel Lorca a starfleet captain, a high value target the klingons want capture for intel, who also badly injured (that's why we were in the shuttle in the first place), Ellen Landry a starfleet commander and Lorca's XO (semi-valueble as well for intel but we can excuse Akaar not knowing that), Amna Patel Lt. Commander tactical specialist (chief of security to be exact) of no real value to the klingons what so ever, Lt. Kerwin engineering specialist again of little value to the klingons, (our character) acting captain of (our ship) but only Lt by rank, ensign Th'pev(sic) tactical specialist of little value to klingons, and 2 ensigns of little value to klingons.
Of those only Lorca (and possibly our character) is of any real value to the klingons and since he's badly injured Lorca is in no condition to fight, so sending him to the frontlines would just cause him to be a burden to the group and would most likely cause the klingons to capture him and leave or alternatively kill everyone else either way it wouldn't be good for the party.
Also important thing about "captain goes down with the ship" it's a tradition not a rule so it wouldn't be rule breaking for the captain to flee first and honestly no one at Prior's World was actually in the right state of mind to question it and for the rest Mirror Lorca is smart enough to spin as something that he needed to do.
Still if you actually watched Discovery you'd know that thing was brought up, not to prove he wasn't from the Prime universe as the Discovery crew didn't know about the mirrorverse until they ended up in there, but rather to question if Lorca was fit to command.
As for Landry remember that her death happened at most 6 months after the event or 7 if you assume the timeline between the start 3rd episode and Landry's death in the 4th episode is 1 month as it was stated in the 3rd episode that it's been 6 months since the Battle of the Binary Stars (and the start of the war). More likely timeline places the battles at Prior's World at least a month into the war.
As far as the comments about it not being noticed well memory-alpha has this to say "The fact that he appeared to have been the only survivor caused him to get a negative reputation among other Starfleet personnel, as typically captains were expected to go down with their ships." So it was noticed in his timeline, though I dont think anyone other than the discovery crew/section 31 knew he was the Mirror version. But all that was AFTER this mission, so...
It is true that Quinn/the sim writers/you and your crew SHOULD, even as a throw away comment, notice it being odd and unstarfleet like though.
The mission is a 'holographic' mission that happened in the past. Adm. Quinn DID know because it's part of history. Lorca was extremely intelligent and a master of manipulation. The Admiralty in the past did have their suspicions, but Lorca operated just bordering on the acceptable. You are only playing the part of another Captain during something that had already happened, and it becomes obvious that you are 'someone' else if you listen to the dialogue, so what you do doesn't change anything within the timeline, because as I said, this is a holographic re-creation.
There's a good chance, and it's already known that there may well be elements of STO with-in 'Picard' as CBS have asked Cryptic for info on events leading up-to 2409 in STO.
Really? In fact that's the first time I've seen it used by anyone. It's DSC officially, DIS by the fansite given undue prominence Memory Alpha, and Disco casually by fans. I've never once seen 'Disc'.
It's more of the usual, 'my ignorance is as valid as your knowledge' stuff. I had hoped people who haven't or weren't going to watch DSC would have given up trolling by now leaving the discussion to people who could be bothered tuning in, but apparently not.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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The weapons that are banned by all governments you think of are subspace weapons.
Captain Sisko used Quantum warheads with a cargo pod containing Trilitihum resin. Trilitihum is a highly explosive substance but it's in no way banned, infact it's formed as a byproduct of a starship's warp drive. So every Starfleet ship has Trilitihum resin available.
You can even get these "weapons" in Star Trek Online. But in STO you use a Tricobalt torpedo (Not Starfleet issue, but Starfleet has equipped them on ships before, example U.S.S. Voyager) while Sisko used Quantum torpedoes.
https://sto.gamepedia.com/Trilithium-Laced_Weaponry
Sisko used a standard Starfleet weapon with a cargo pod that had a highly explosive and dangerous waste product created by warp engines, it was not by the book. But he did not use restricted weaponry.
It says "The Federation generally disapproved of the use of such weapons." to disapprove of something and for it to be illegal/banned are two very different things.
The switch was obvious though, no Federation captain would leave his crew to die and get into an escape pod.
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Nope. That's how tie-ins have always worked. That's also how Delta Rising worked. Despite your assumption to the contrary it actually didn't hold your hand through the characters and their relationships to each other and the plot. It required a familiarity with VGR so much so that the Devs posted a list of recommended episodes.
Though it does at least show you to be consistent about pretending to be an expert enough to formulate opinions on shows you've not watched and just randomly make things up.
Also, fictional works tying into each other is how franchises work, that's not consumerism, that's narrative. Come on, this is hardly advanced level English literature, put some effort into the trolling.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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You posted a strong statement about Lorca, and people are debating it. Is everyone being civil and calm? Doesn't look like it. But you can't post a strong opinion and not expect people to come in and discuss it - on a discussion forum.
Think it's time for /thread at this point, @baddmoonrizin.
Well, I mean yeah saying you need to watch Disco to understand the Disco missions is a fair statement. This is the first time STO has been running alongside a series, so there will be tie-ins. And with these latest missions, they're very much background setups for what happens in the show.
And yes, remote moderation. You're lashing out at people who disagree with your strong opinion. You can't just drop an opinion in the forum and expect to create an echo chamber for your thoughts. So this thread does probably need to be closed, because you and others are moving from attacking the point to attacking the person making the point. That's generally where discussion ends, both here and irl.
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I've only seen it as TRIBBLE. I don't see a reason that is invalid. Its certainly as valid as STV, STE for Voyager and Enterprise. In any case, I will continue using TRIBBLE as that seems to be completely understood in game and anywhere else I see people talk about Discovery. I won't let censorship dictate what words I use when they are completely valid and in common use.
And this is definitely my issue here. Not Quinn, nor my Boffs mentioned anything (as far as I remember) about Lorca being the only one to survive.
And I also find it weird that no one else who was with him commented either. The emotional girl (Landry?) I can give a pass because she was overly emotional about finding him alive. The whizkid and the Andorian though, I have to wonder why they didn't mention anything about it. Not even something like "You were the only one to make it out alive, captain?" It was very weird to me that no one mentioned it. That he did it makes a lot more sense when you know he is selfish MU captain Lorca, but everyone else should have been wondering why no one else made it out alive.
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...Highlander 2 still never happened.
It's pretty dumb for a Captain with experience during a war to sacrifice himself for some ensigns if said ensign wants to fine..... Starfleet is going to need experience captains especially during wartime they don't want them taking bullets for Ensign Ricky
Also even if it was Prime Lorca he was injured and he did want the phaser from you to fight when the cave was being overrun so he wasn't cowering he did want to go out fighting ...its not like he ordered her to kill herself she took it upon herself to do it, and once again he was injured he was not gonna run over and stop her and they all die...needs of the many people
Also...why didn't you stop her....who's the real bad captain