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  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,239 Arc User
    Episodes need to have decent writing and be relatively bug free to promote replayability though. Neither of those are in great supply in sto.
  • szimszim Member Posts: 2,345 Arc User
    It should have been called "Featured queue: Dranuur Gauntlet". That's what it is. A carbon copy of said queue.
  • feliseanfelisean Member Posts: 480 Arc User
    ok copy paste of draanur gauntlet.. thats defnitly disapointing
  • saber1973asaber1973a Member Posts: 1,095 Arc User
    Yep - copy paste and new name.
    Still, at least the armor looks interesting.
  • somtaawkharsomtaawkhar Member Posts: 5,749 Arc User
    edited March 21
    Given that this TFO wasn't on the original roadmap, and that the roadmap shows that the personal endeavor system was supposed to be this month's new thing, this new TFO seems like it was a quickly made "unscheduled" piece of content to fill the time gap.
  • thehnthehn Member Posts: 48 Arc User
    I was so excited for this after the unique ground TFO we got last go around.
    Now, I am monumentally disappointed in this reskinned cut and paste ..../sadpanda
  • allyoftheforceallyoftheforce Member Posts: 692 Arc User
    Fatal Error: Patch Server Connection Error: The connection was idle for too long
    Yep, this is a fun queue. I like watching this all the time.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 47,406 Arc User
    Well... on the bright side... doesn't look like we will be dealing with Vaadwaur, Tzenkethi, or Heralds in this version.

    But I do feel kinda disappointed there wasn't something a bit more unique about this one.
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  • somtaawkharsomtaawkhar Member Posts: 5,749 Arc User
    thehn wrote: »
    I was so excited for this after the unique ground TFO we got last go around.
    Now, I am monumentally disappointed in this reskinned cut and paste ..../sadpanda
    Pahvo Dissension was just a reskin of Breaking the Planet.

    All of the Discovery TFOs have been reskins
    -Defense of Starbase 1 = Starbase 24
    -Battle at the Binary Stars = Slowing the Expeditionary Force
    -Pahvo Dissension = Breaking the Planet
  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 47,406 Arc User
    Starbase 1 is a bit more interesting that Starbase 24 as we also have something to defend.
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  • somtaawkharsomtaawkhar Member Posts: 5,749 Arc User
    edited March 21
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Starbase 1 is a bit more interesting that Starbase 24 as we also have something to defend.
    True, but it is obviously meant to be the same mission.

    Cryptic is taking advantage of the Discovery content, which has a large focus on Feds vs Klingons, to revamp many of the launch era Fed vs Klingon TFOs. But now they make a bit more sense given that its all stuff involving the Disco era, instead of 2409/2410, where the Feds/Klingons are in an Alliance. And while not directly related to Disco itself, we also saw the revamp of Fed/Gorn minefield to Romulan Imperial Minefield in AoD as well, continuing the trend.

    All that is left now is Big Dig, and Starbase 24 Rescue. I have suspicions that the "Limited Engagement" TFO that is coming next month might be the revamped version of the latter.
  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,239 Arc User
    Can starbase one actually be damaged or destroyed?

    This "new" one is just a boring, dull, bland copy of an old STF with the cryptics characteristicaly lazy copy pasting that missed the freighter or other generic NPC ship to defend.

    Van zyl says we get a choice of satellite upgrades but really its just a case of whoever gets there first because theres no actual choice beyond yes or no.
  • somtaawkharsomtaawkhar Member Posts: 5,749 Arc User
    Can starbase one actually be damaged or destroyed?
    No, he was referring to the evac ships launching from Starbase 24 most likely.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 7,235 Arc User
    So, just played the 'new TFO'.. I am going to try and keep this within the bounds of forum rules.

    What a complete and total disgrace. Seriously, the Development team should be embarrassed with themselves. This is the most lazy, sloppy, half hearted attempt at passing off 'new' content that I have seen maybe ever.

    This map is a copy paste of Dranuur just in super easy mode and with more time gates. Honestly, this just feels like a cash grab to try and encourage people toward the buy out option. It definitely worked on me, I cashed in Dilithium though to get the 10 token buy out. This mission is mind numbingly terrible and expecting someone to play it 14 times is just ridiculous.

    This is a new low for Cryptic.. this TFO is an absolute joke. And don't give me that line about other stuff they have done, I have liked the vast majority of the Discovery Content so far, but it doesn't excuse this. It would have been much much better to just do nothing then it was to copy/paste an already existing queue and try and pass it off as new content.

    To say this is disappointing is a huge understatement.
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 5,552 Community Moderator
    If y'all watched the livestream last night, then you'd have known going in that it was a reskin of Dranuur Gauntlet, as Kael said as much. Just FYI.
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 8,311 Arc User
    Meh, it's a waiting mission, like many before it. As waiting missions go there's a lot worse than Dranuur Gauntlet. Sure, copypasting it is lame, might as well just have put the event token in the original, but whatever.

    I gotta do my daily Admiralty somewhere. May as well be sitting in line for an event token at the same time.
  • duasynduasyn Member Posts: 119 Arc User
    edited March 21
    I know a 'protect the planet' type of thing doesn't lend itself to being wildly innovative, but... it looks to be nearly 90% identical to the Dranuur Gauntlet. So the new TFO is a reskin like the new ship. Not the best work Cryptic has done.
  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,239 Arc User
    The stuck in a rock "feature" from the ground mission is also available in space thanks to the engineered turrets shield which can spawn itself inside your ship.
  • qqqqiiqqqqii Member Posts: 401 Arc User
    Expected something new. Got re-hashed Dranuur Gauntlet with different enemies. I should have known better.
  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,541 Arc User
    edited March 21
    thehn wrote: »
    I was so excited for this after the unique ground TFO we got last go around.
    Now, I am monumentally disappointed in this reskinned cut and paste ..../sadpanda
    Pahvo Dissension was just a reskin of Breaking the Planet.

    All of the Discovery TFOs have been reskins
    -Defense of Starbase 1 = Starbase 24
    -Battle at the Binary Stars = Slowing the Expeditionary Force
    -Pahvo Dissension = Breaking the Planet

    That's borderline misinformation there, son. There's conceptual similarities with the format of each but the mechanics are bespoke for the other TFO's in AOD (up to new objective mechanics.) By no plausible means did they simply change mobs and assets out from these ancient TFO's and utilize existing structure to populate new content. Let's more accurately define reskin: ie. changing the skin. The underlying implication is that the rest of the body remains intact.

    Dranuur Gauntlet to Peril over Pahvo: Reskin, they have literally replace assets to create this TFO (with minor tweaks but key word there is minor)

    Starbase 24 to Defense of Starbase One: Analogy

    If y'all watched the livestream last night, then you'd have known going in that it was a reskin of Dranuur Gauntlet, as Kael said as much. Just FYI.

    Bit of feedback for Cryptic on this point: calling it "Pahvo Gauntlet" might have helped folks set their expectations to what was being planned. Doesn't have the alliteration but it would have been more up front with the content on offer. If similar TFO's are planned in future it might be well to promote them as a special variants and focus the minor tweaks on adding spice/variety as opposed to optimization passes on mechanics.

    Ex. for Pahvo's Penultimate Peril: have invading Klingons but random terran spawns (also hostile to said Klingons) to throw off the gameplay pattern. Compensate then with having only two rounds, the initial one-sided phase then full three sided (with Terran V. Klingons adding a facet players can strategize around. Ie. if these guys are busy, players can refocus to help flagging sides [up until the NPC's sort out their differences].

    Even within the constraints of having to make a TFO to fill a scheduling hole there's more you can do to mix things up (and also tell side stories that might not be available with the main arc. Ex. defending [insert faction here which isn't DSC themed] from DSC Terran/Klingon aggression.)
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  • drakethewhitedrakethewhite Member Posts: 1,240 Arc User
    I was bored in the extreme.

    I was planing on quiting STO come the day of the Foundry sunset, this may well move that date up.
  • shadowfirefly00shadowfirefly00 Member Posts: 941 Arc User
    felisean wrote: »
    ok copy paste of draanur gauntlet.. thats defnitly disapointing
    Even more annoying is the continued nonsense of the main satellites being explicitly immune to healing. A foolish decision in my opinion which lacks no in-universe justification whatsoever.
  • coldnapalmcoldnapalm Member Posts: 7,138 Arc User
    If y'all watched the livestream last night, then you'd have known going in that it was a reskin of Dranuur Gauntlet, as Kael said as much. Just FYI.

    Umm...that's nice...but how does that make them doing a copy and paste job any better that they said so before hand?!? A bad job is a bad job. It doesn't matter if they say they are gonna do it before hand.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 47,406 Arc User
    I'm happy with the fact I don't have to worry about facing Vaadwaur, Tzenkethi, or Heralds though.
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  • kaggert27kaggert27 Member Posts: 109 Arc User
    I'm also in the group of annoyed that I'm unable to heal main satellites being a thing still. Kind of annoyed over all a rehash of Gauntlet. But same time they could have removed the normal Gauntlet while this one was up. They could have at least added some NPC support. Random if Fed or Klingon Aligned. This would have enabled them to do the same for the Dranuur one by making it call for Support NPCs of Ferengi, Lukari, Kentari, Cardassian, and Deferi on re-introducing the Gauntlet at the end of the Pahvo event.

    A positive change they did though: the enemies spawn in two random spots(at least on the end satellites) vs constantly on top of their original spawn. So you can focus on the Dreadnaught with less issue of assaulted from everything.
    Pahvo Dissension was just a reskin of Breaking the Planet.

    All of the Discovery TFOs have been reskins
    -Defense of Starbase 1 = Starbase 24
    -Battle at the Binary Stars = Slowing the Expeditionary Force
    -Pahvo Dissension = Breaking the Planet

    Are you trollin'?

    1: Can't see how Starbase 1 is a reskin, as it was defend the 4 ships while eliminating the assault. While Starbase 24 is literally just kill x number of enemies. Only time we defended a ship was when after we would board SB24 for the ground part, which they removed.
    2: BABS...yeah I can't see it because only common thing is blow up Klingon ships. The escape pod rescue? sorry that was a Daily tacked on to StEF and only for 4 Runabouts. Also had a ground/onboard mission, that they removed. The task force operation also had some issue with particle effects when doing the portion to destroy the carriers.
    3: Pahvo Dissension does not equal Breaking the Planet, which had multiple things to do. Only common thing was respawning enemies.
    Side note, Breaking the Planet and Slowing the Expeditionary Force were collectively "Klingon Scout Force", to the point that the planet that has crack in half is the one you do on ground, and see in space; much like Ker'rat and 2 Ground War Zones Otha and Qay’ghun are actually same planet and system but kept separate due to however they coded the game and issues.
  • ussvaliant#6064 ussvaliant Member Posts: 724 Arc User
    edited March 22
    1st run and I had this feeling of deja vu like I've played this mission before, Peril of Pahvo don't you guys mean Drancuur Gauntlet. Its the same TFO.

    Rather lame.

    Also noticed yet again no xp for NPC kills. Why the duck create starship masteries that need xp to level and then not give xp in TFO's forcing players to play the same patrol mission over and over.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 7,235 Arc User
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    If y'all watched the livestream last night, then you'd have known going in that it was a reskin of Dranuur Gauntlet, as Kael said as much. Just FYI.

    Umm...that's nice...but how does that make them doing a copy and paste job any better that they said so before hand?!? A bad job is a bad job. It doesn't matter if they say they are gonna do it before hand.

    Exactly, just because they announced before the release that they were being sloppy and lazy, I fail to see how that makes it ok.
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  • ichaerus1ichaerus1 Member Posts: 753 Arc User
    I had a particular thought from the initial announcement. The thought that Max had in Fury Road, when he made the hand gesture and said "That's bait."

    I thought about it, but it looks like this is another TFO where there will be an influx of premades to lazy train their way through. Nice of them to make good on the Lukari mentality, and RECYCLE, REDUCE, REUSE. Timegates and infinite spawns, oh my!

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  • ixionveridianixionveridian Member Posts: 1,327 Arc User
    I did this new TFO today and was hoping for something more original than a reskin of Dranuur Gauntlet.

    But then again, this is Cryptic, and it seems that, "less (originality)" is "more (copy/paste)" is their preferred modus operandi.
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