'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
The problem I have with that is it just references the Orion SPECIES. The cartels had Humans, Ferengi, Klingons, Etc, etc.
The Path to 2409 backstory for STO has Melani D'ian, the current leader of the Syndicate, pushing out many of the non-Orion operators in the syndicate to bring it mostly back under Orion control.
More the leadership than the workforce though, just look at who Hassan has working for him on Nimbus...
Or on Beltran's crew, it's similar, but with nicer outfits:
-Everyone is trying to hut down the Children of Khan. Even the Orions would prefer augment supremacists from taking over.
Well, Orions wouldn't want to kill the Augments. I imagine they'd study them and make Orion Augments.
The Kobali's actions were wrong, but the Vaadwaur's attempted genocide was worse. Just because the Kobali were wrong doesn't mean the Federation would just stand by and let genocide occur. The Vaadwaur were the greater evil, the Kobali were just exploiting the Vaadwaur's own failing technology to their advantage.
Also
-Why would the Federation break the accord with the Sheliak?
-Everyone is trying to hut down the Children of Khan. Even the Orions would prefer augment supremacists from taking over.
-With the dissolution of the Romulan Star Empire after Sela was kidnapped, the cloaking treaty is no longer in effect.
Weren't the Vaadwaur just trying to take back what was taken from them though? And in the story, didn't the Kobali actually strike first? Like as soon as they heard the Vaadwaur were back, they still wanted revenge from WAY before when the Vaadwaur were the major power in that area? I mean wasn't that kinda the point of even the Voyager episode? (correct me if I'm wrong, it has been a LONG time since I watched it) But voyager found out the Vaadwaur WERE total TRIBBLE before, got beat down Iconian style and went into cryo....and when they were accidentally awakened, everybody still wanted to kill them. So from that perspective, even though the war the Vaadwaur wanted to fight could have been avoided, THIS time, they were attacked first?
Why would the federation break an accord? Ummm...see the 3rd point your raised with the cloaking device. Kinda not the first time the feds break the rules when convenient. Their BEST captains on screen anyway, broke the Prime Directive like.....15 times? 16? something like that? The federation is based on principle and they often break their own rules when they determine doing so serves the "Greater Good"
The problem I have with that is it just references the Orion SPECIES. The cartels had Humans, Ferengi, Klingons, Etc, etc.
The Path to 2409 backstory for STO has Melani D'ian, the current leader of the Syndicate, pushing out many of the non-Orion operators in the syndicate to bring it mostly back under Orion control.
From a coding perspective, why couldn't your faction change as needed? Like switching on a transponder in Star Trek? Or why couldn't a character have both factions? Creating a new faction all together, why couldn't they give you the option to switch back and forth or have both?
Because that isn't how game coding works. In every MMO there are some fundamental aspects of your character's data that, once generated, cannot be changed because it would fundamentally mess up the game's ability to track your character. In STO, and many other MMOs, these aspects are usually gender, and faction allegiance.
They could also USE some of these other ideas for the handful of storyline missions for this faction. The Feds BROKE the accord with the Sheliak, or tried to hunt down the Children of Kahn, or kept developing the Pegasus phase cloak, or whatever. So don't really need to create a new arc, just a spin on current missions. Make your character wonder WHY we agreed to help the Kobali when they were....freaking wrong. Simple....hmmmm....that doesn't seem right moments throughout the game are WHY you choose to leave. You make it to the highest rank and have access to all the facts, and mutiny. Join the cartels that turn out to (NOW) actually trying to at least be honest with who they are?
Just spitballing as I said. There IS still room with the Orions to still be multi-species. The path to 2409 also details the Klingon war (now our ally), the Romulan war (again, ally), the dominion war (again, ally)....things change?
And good to know on the coding, a programmer I am not. And I play STO for Star Trek, have never and prob will never play any other MMORPG so I don't know how all that works. Still, as a Gamma character (dominion) can eventually make a previously limited lock box ship available account wide (several actually, Galor, Carrier, Escort Carrier) we could see the Orions get the Tuffli and Cell ships as playable. Or imagine a Tuffli as a legitimate T6 level like a Q ship from WWII? Overpack the thing with engines and weapons like the Defiant was (supposedly) on screen (thats why it was mothballed, since it tended to break all the time since it was overpowered for its size).
Weren't the Vaadwaur just trying to take back what was taken from them though?
No? Gaul had sold his people out to the Iconians, by allowing his men to be infested by the Bluegill, and was waging a war of conquest and extermination throughout the Quadrant, having destroyed the B'omar Sovereignty, Krenim Imperium, and others in massive first strikes before anyone even knew it was the Vaadwaur at all. He was doing it because the Iconians ordered him to do it.
Why would the federation break an accord? Ummm...see the 3rd point your raised with the cloaking device.
That isn't breaking an accord though. If the nation you made the accord with no longer exists, then the accord is nullified by design,and thus, you aren't breaking it. The Romulan Star Empire doesn't exist anymore, the Sheliak Corporate does.
Gaul was one person? Again, not the entire species. And a lot, if not all, of what the Vaadwaur did do under his rule could actually be attributed to the BlueGills who were ACTUALLY the villains in that story arc. The Vaadwaur were just being used? AND again, pre-STO the Vaadwaur were assaulted by all the species of the quadrant when they woke up (in Voyager series). Would have been like if the Iconians came back NICELY and the galaxy said "nope, we're still pissed of from millenia ago" and shot first. I mean the Vaadwaur woke up to a destroyed planet, all of their previous gains were taken from them, and then everybody came BACK to try and finish the job when they woke up. Can you blame them for building power again to strike BACK at the races that forced them into hiding AND were there to attack again when they came out?
And when the Pegasus incident happened, it WAS a violation of the treaty with the romulans at the time. NOW the romulans are gone, but 50 years ago (game time) it was a blatant breach. As was the plethora of times Kirk and Picard and Sisko broke or REALLY bent the prime directive.
The Kobali's actions were wrong, but the Vaadwaur's attempted genocide was worse. Just because the Kobali were wrong doesn't mean the Federation would just stand by and let genocide occur. The Vaadwaur were the greater evil, the Kobali were just exploiting the Vaadwaur's own failing technology to their advantage.
Also
-Why would the Federation break the accord with the Sheliak?
-Everyone is trying to hut down the Children of Khan. Even the Orions would prefer augment supremacists from taking over.
-With the dissolution of the Romulan Star Empire after Sela was kidnapped, the cloaking treaty is no longer in effect.
Weren't the Vaadwaur just trying to take back what was taken from them though? And in the story, didn't the Kobali actually strike first? Like as soon as they heard the Vaadwaur were back, they still wanted revenge from WAY before when the Vaadwaur were the major power in that area? I mean wasn't that kinda the point of even the Voyager episode? (correct me if I'm wrong, it has been a LONG time since I watched it) But voyager found out the Vaadwaur WERE total TRIBBLE before, got beat down Iconian style and went into cryo....and when they were accidentally awakened, everybody still wanted to kill them. So from that perspective, even though the war the Vaadwaur wanted to fight could have been avoided, THIS time, they were attacked first?
Why would the federation break an accord? Ummm...see the 3rd point your raised with the cloaking device. Kinda not the first time the feds break the rules when convenient. Their BEST captains on screen anyway, broke the Prime Directive like.....15 times? 16? something like that? The federation is based on principle and they often break their own rules when they determine doing so serves the "Greater Good"
No, the Voyager story was actually that people were worried about the return of the Vaadwaur, but the Vaadwaur they freed acted as if he was friendly. But he betrayed them in the end, and that seemed to be his goal from the start.
And the Kobali didn't have anything to do with the original conflict.
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And with that I think we can table the Sheliak discussion.
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Honestly? It doesn't NEED to be bigger than the last conflict. It only needs to be different. A new enemy with a new gimmick to figure out how to deal with.
Absolutely!
With some good imagination there are plenty opportunities and ideas to develop!
Please, finish mirror leeta story.
I miss lovely leeta!
Seriously, i really like chase masterson in that role.
And....about future ideas....
Why don't you bring Dukat back?
Dukat as commander, pah wraiths as main enemies and mirror leeta would be a good trinity antagonist.
Talos IV. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Say no more, say no more.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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When was the Treaty of Armans signed? Alex.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Or on Beltran's crew, it's similar, but with nicer outfits:
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Weren't the Vaadwaur just trying to take back what was taken from them though? And in the story, didn't the Kobali actually strike first? Like as soon as they heard the Vaadwaur were back, they still wanted revenge from WAY before when the Vaadwaur were the major power in that area? I mean wasn't that kinda the point of even the Voyager episode? (correct me if I'm wrong, it has been a LONG time since I watched it) But voyager found out the Vaadwaur WERE total TRIBBLE before, got beat down Iconian style and went into cryo....and when they were accidentally awakened, everybody still wanted to kill them. So from that perspective, even though the war the Vaadwaur wanted to fight could have been avoided, THIS time, they were attacked first?
Why would the federation break an accord? Ummm...see the 3rd point your raised with the cloaking device. Kinda not the first time the feds break the rules when convenient. Their BEST captains on screen anyway, broke the Prime Directive like.....15 times? 16? something like that? The federation is based on principle and they often break their own rules when they determine doing so serves the "Greater Good"
Gaul was one person? Again, not the entire species. And a lot, if not all, of what the Vaadwaur did do under his rule could actually be attributed to the BlueGills who were ACTUALLY the villains in that story arc. The Vaadwaur were just being used? AND again, pre-STO the Vaadwaur were assaulted by all the species of the quadrant when they woke up (in Voyager series). Would have been like if the Iconians came back NICELY and the galaxy said "nope, we're still pissed of from millenia ago" and shot first. I mean the Vaadwaur woke up to a destroyed planet, all of their previous gains were taken from them, and then everybody came BACK to try and finish the job when they woke up. Can you blame them for building power again to strike BACK at the races that forced them into hiding AND were there to attack again when they came out?
And when the Pegasus incident happened, it WAS a violation of the treaty with the romulans at the time. NOW the romulans are gone, but 50 years ago (game time) it was a blatant breach. As was the plethora of times Kirk and Picard and Sisko broke or REALLY bent the prime directive.
And the Kobali didn't have anything to do with the original conflict.
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Absolutely!
With some good imagination there are plenty opportunities and ideas to develop!
Please, finish mirror leeta story.
I miss lovely leeta!
Seriously, i really like chase masterson in that role.
And....about future ideas....
Why don't you bring Dukat back?
Dukat as commander, pah wraiths as main enemies and mirror leeta would be a good trinity antagonist.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'