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Can we get some love for Plasma weapons?
lianthelia
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Both energy and projectile...
There hasn't been a new plasma torpedo in a long time, in fact every single type has gotten multiple new torpedoes since the last plasma torpedo. Plasma is only one of two types that doesn't have a wide angle torpedo.
Plasma energy is also the only weapon type that doesn't have access to two omni beams
There hasn't been a new plasma torpedo in a long time, in fact every single type has gotten multiple new torpedoes since the last plasma torpedo. Plasma is only one of two types that doesn't have a wide angle torpedo.
Plasma energy is also the only weapon type that doesn't have access to two omni beams
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I was hoping maybe they would have added a Romulan Plasma omni with T6 reps but that never came to be
I did notice how annoying it is when I have a ship with plasma pets that are firing plasma torpedoes all over space. Almost always, i'm guaranteed to be in the line of fire. I only discovered the elite version of these pets just makes it worse.
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The only Plasma weapon that does that is Torpedoes fired on high-yield (Rom rep torpedo default fires high yields). You could use torp spreads all day and not have to worry about that. And yes the Scorpions have high yield torpedo as a skill
I was looking at the Infinity weapons rewards for plasma and even that is pretty disappointing. For instance, the Chronoplasma and plasmatic biomatter weapons are essentially the same weapon. That only leave the corrosive plasma as the last choice (isolytic and ferengi procs not really attractive), but the beam is yellow in color.
The Romulan rep weapons are probably the most attractive, however the cannon sound effects could be better. The Lobi weapons are too expensive to expirament with.
Kinetic magnet boff ability does help a bit with avoiding friendly fire from plasma torps. Other than simply keeping your own distance from target a bit higher than for other pets.
"Proc is useless" being the common complaint. Now look at all the things that support Tetryon. Done right a Tet build can rival top end Disruptor and Phaser builds. AP probably still edges out slightly due to higher innate crit chance.
Plasma is due for some love now.
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Why use a 6k plasma mine with a 2.2k Plasma dot over 15seconds. When you can use a 14k quantum mine with a 6k+ Dot over 6 seconds. OR something along those lines.
Or to put it another way my quantum Damage over time breaks past 1000+ per second. My Plasma hit barely for half of that.
Plasma is just obsolete and useless now
EDIT: Please note the above numbers are not 100% accurate and estimated from memory but do follow the correct lines.
Then combine that with Reverberation so the target has no shields and Resonating Payload to lower Kinetic resistance which in turn boosts the Quantum DoT damage and you can end up with a Quantum Dot of over 1000 per second without criticals.
Even without all the traits a single Quantum hit will do more damage in 1 second then a Plasma hit does over 15seconds. So apart from the fun themed build there is no real point in using plasma it just massively underperforms.
Transphasic has falling into a similar problem like plasma it has scaled badly with the new item levels and now photon or Quantum will hit harder though full shields then Transphasic making them obsolete.
Something went wrong when everything was scaled up.
It would be more fair to compare baseline stats without modifiers because not everyone has or uses those variables.
By throwing in the variables you skew the results based on your own experiences with said variables. EVERYONE has access to the baseline. So a person with those traits would get more out than someone without, as highlighted above by the guy saying his QUANTUM mines have more DoT than Plasma Mines, and I was not aware of that particular trait as I don't have a mine build.
So it kinda muddys the water a bit when you throw in the variables. Baseline makes it easier to see a difference and potentially notice if something is wrong.
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You have to look at the variables to get a true picture. When you look at the variables Photon or Quantum can do everything plasma does only better then plasma.
Even without to many variables sitting outside space dock without activating anything and removing all my bridge officers which boost damage I have 24,321 for Quantum torpedo and 14,208 for Quantum mines. For Plasma torps I do 17,009 and 14,750.3 for mines. With plasma I added the DoT +damage hit and this was done with 4 tactical consoles upgraded to the same level all items same level with all same mods.
The problem with plasma is it takes 15 seconds just to match or do less damage then Quantum does in 1 second. That's with basic variables once you start adding in variables like the traits plasma falls massively futhar behind. Plasma needs both more weapon options and possibly a boost to the plasma proc.
RIGHT!? Give me the phantom Borg plasma torpedo that is one hit kill.
The Invisitorp is real, and its been around for a long time.
As I said you CAN get big numbers, as there are dedicated Torp Boat builds that are evil, but an unmodded torp capable of oneshotting battleship grade NPCs through shields... is a stretch. It takes more than one single hit for energy vape builds to destroy someone. Generally that takes a single VOLLEY, which is the length of time for a single firing cycle. But you're not going in with just one weapon and instakilling.
My single shots often hit for 100k or even 255k then if I get a critical I have up to 331% extra damage on top of that. My Clusters often hits for 1million damage with a crit. There are plenty of ways for Players to not only do those 1 shot damage hits like the Borg do but also do far higher than the Borg while also defending against the Borg shots.
Going a bit more back on topic did you know the Omega Plasma Torpedo will shoot out twice as many torpedoes with Spread so a Spread 3 can puts out up to 50 torpedoes in 1 firing. A high yield Plasma Omega torpedo doesn’t shoot standard destroyable torpedoes it gets upgraded to the Borg higher damage destroyable bolt shots.