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Star Trek and Captains....
kiksken
Member Posts: 664 Arc User
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Hail
Most of you probably know me, I think.
I cam here before you with a few thoughts, remarks, about the known (both series and movies) Captains.
Let me sum these up, and give you my personal thoughts:
1) Star Trek, the series: Kaptain Kirk:
Now, before I go on to this person, let me say, that I AM aware of the time setting here on Earth: the mid sixties (1966 to be more precise), about the time we got to end the Wild West.
Still VERY there though in Kirk's time line, he's the epitome of the Wild West sherif, gunslinger extraordinaire, shooting his ways through heaps of Klingons and whatnot, a mediocre fella in mediocre settings.
Do not get me wrong, he's a fine actor, but the timeline on Earth in which all was recorded made it a bit... held back.
Imagine, he did this this day in time, it would have been a MUCH different thing.
I remembered him, saw him as a young kid, and back in them days, it was quite awesome: lasers, starships, aliens... but his role was... meh.
If i remember ANY role from then... it would be Mr. Spock.
Hotdang, what a fella this was.
Leonard Nimoy was quite the aqctor, not just in movie art, but as individual as well.
I mean, see him in other movies: for one the old Invasion of the body snatchers, where he played this "Spocky" type psychiater... MARVELOUS...
2) ST-NG:
1987: The Next-Gen: Captain Jean-Luc Picard.
MY GOD, what a captain...
He is the epitome of Captains, he set a bar so high...
A believeable character in sometimes mediocre settings, and he still made it grand.
But not just Sir Patrick Steward is to thank for it, so is the ENTIRE cast.
They all contributed to what to me is, the standard (sadly never even close redone).
Will riker, Cmdr Data, all off them made it into a reall visionary fest to behold...
DS9:
Benjamin Sisko, unlike previous Captains, this one had no starship, but a space station.
Not a very remarkable personae, but not too bad, quite watchable.
Far more inspiring was the good doctor Bashir, and the MAGNIFCENT Garak, Elim.
Boy did i love that fella...
ST-V:
Captain Janeway: Oh come on, REALLY?
My GOD what a waste of good resources, that series is.
Either under- or overperformed, blant, clueless, a big mistake, IMHO.
Best ep, in my opinion, was Drone.
But only because of One.
ST-E:
Enterprise?
My God...
See ST-V...
ST-D:
Discovery: Now this one has my attention, if the next eps will be as good as it was with the first season... hmmm....
ST-JLP:
The Picard Series...
OMG, this makes me drool.
I am not kidding, I am SO looking forward to it.
At last they figured the true captain should return!
I hope they delete ST-V and ST-E from my mind.
The Phillippa series...
Meh, I'lkl stick with JLP, thank you.
How do you see all this?
Most of you probably know me, I think.
I cam here before you with a few thoughts, remarks, about the known (both series and movies) Captains.
Let me sum these up, and give you my personal thoughts:
1) Star Trek, the series: Kaptain Kirk:
Now, before I go on to this person, let me say, that I AM aware of the time setting here on Earth: the mid sixties (1966 to be more precise), about the time we got to end the Wild West.
Still VERY there though in Kirk's time line, he's the epitome of the Wild West sherif, gunslinger extraordinaire, shooting his ways through heaps of Klingons and whatnot, a mediocre fella in mediocre settings.
Do not get me wrong, he's a fine actor, but the timeline on Earth in which all was recorded made it a bit... held back.
Imagine, he did this this day in time, it would have been a MUCH different thing.
I remembered him, saw him as a young kid, and back in them days, it was quite awesome: lasers, starships, aliens... but his role was... meh.
If i remember ANY role from then... it would be Mr. Spock.
Hotdang, what a fella this was.
Leonard Nimoy was quite the aqctor, not just in movie art, but as individual as well.
I mean, see him in other movies: for one the old Invasion of the body snatchers, where he played this "Spocky" type psychiater... MARVELOUS...
2) ST-NG:
1987: The Next-Gen: Captain Jean-Luc Picard.
MY GOD, what a captain...
He is the epitome of Captains, he set a bar so high...
A believeable character in sometimes mediocre settings, and he still made it grand.
But not just Sir Patrick Steward is to thank for it, so is the ENTIRE cast.
They all contributed to what to me is, the standard (sadly never even close redone).
Will riker, Cmdr Data, all off them made it into a reall visionary fest to behold...
DS9:
Benjamin Sisko, unlike previous Captains, this one had no starship, but a space station.
Not a very remarkable personae, but not too bad, quite watchable.
Far more inspiring was the good doctor Bashir, and the MAGNIFCENT Garak, Elim.
Boy did i love that fella...
ST-V:
Captain Janeway: Oh come on, REALLY?
My GOD what a waste of good resources, that series is.
Either under- or overperformed, blant, clueless, a big mistake, IMHO.
Best ep, in my opinion, was Drone.
But only because of One.
ST-E:
Enterprise?
My God...
See ST-V...
ST-D:
Discovery: Now this one has my attention, if the next eps will be as good as it was with the first season... hmmm....
ST-JLP:
The Picard Series...
OMG, this makes me drool.
I am not kidding, I am SO looking forward to it.
At last they figured the true captain should return!
I hope they delete ST-V and ST-E from my mind.
The Phillippa series...
Meh, I'lkl stick with JLP, thank you.
How do you see all this?
Klingons don't get drunk.
They just get less sober.
They just get less sober.
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Enterprise was set in a time before the Federation, and Starfleet was very much the new kid on the block. All the other Captains, including Kirk, had The Book to work off of. Archer... was literally writing The Book. So him being relatively inexperienced and unprepared unlike the other Captains kinda makes sense.
But... to each their own.
To add on however... Just wanna say that the TNG crew, while still amazing... came across as tired in Nemesis. Honestly I think First Contact and Insurrection were better. First Contact was darker, had action, and made the TNG ultimate evil (Borg) even scarier, while Insurrection actually dealt with morality and even managed some humor. Generations was a "Passing of the Torch" movie for the crews.
The Kelvin Timeline movies did pretty good at bringing the TOS crew to the 21st Century so to speak. The actors did a good job playing the roles, although I think pretty much everyone agrees that Karl Urban absolutely NAILED McCoy. Chris Pine did pretty good as a more rebelious Kirk, especially since this version didn't have his father as an inspiration factor. Until he ran into Pike in that Iowa bar, he really didn't have a role model. Just a ghost.
Perhaps a re-watch is in order.
Intelligent.
Polite, but the aura about him commanded respect.
Standing firm on beliefs of morals, right and wrong, and the chain of command.
Compassionate and understanding at the appropriate times.
And will unleash hell upon his enemies when all other options have been exhausted.
Should be the absolute without question firm example for the doctrine of Starfleet academy and officer training.
And surrounded by a stellar supporting crew and actors, will forever be hard to beat...
Picard's still my fav though.
Trials of Blood and Fire
Moving On Parts 1-3 - Part 4
In Cold Blood
Oh, please. In the first two movies Kelvin!Kirk is an arrogant, insubordinate, entitled whiny little prick who isn't worthy to command a wheelbarrow, never mind a ship capable of glassing inhabited worlds.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
JJtrek Kirk is grandiosly arrogant, reckless, aggressive and self destructive.
Prime Kirk is always a bar room brawler, petty, prideful and aggressive.
Picard is prideful, stubborn, and lacks patience when under pressure.
Sisko is sometimes cautious, arrogant, cold, aggressive and not very open to new ideas.
Janeway is grandiosly arrogant, reckless, aggressive and generally tactless.
Of all of these captains, Janeway is the one that has as much subtly being a captain as a jumbo jet taking off next to a church in quiet meditation.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Which is due to not having a father figure. In Into Darkness he was kinda out for revenge after the man he did look up to was killed, but stuck to the law and the ideals of the Federation. He matured in Beyond and was less of a wildcard, especially after losing the Enterprise.
While me may have started out as the prick that you described... he did change through experience.
He didn't change that much, he still conducted a very risky longshot plan in that prisoner camp and with an ancient ship and still manages to beach the damn thing afterwards. Then there is the whole starbase gravity thing, that was reckless even for him and if he wasn't saved at the 11th hour by his fellow crewmate, he would of been sucking vacuum.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Yeah, but at least in Beyond he finally displays the professionalism he was missing in the previous two outings. I.e. he's actually credible as somebody Starfleet would've given a capital ship.
And no: daddy issues don't excuse being an entitled prick. The Academy isn't about giving a free ride to partying frat boys, it trains officers, officers who are expected to do such things as command spacers in combat and represent the Federation to foreign nations. You either shape up in first year, or they toss you out on your TRIBBLE. What he pulled in the opening of Into Whiteness should've gotten him court-martialed, not just because he broke the Prime Directive due to incompetence, but also because he lied about it, and incompetently at that.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
Not exactly setting the bar very high.
Trials of Blood and Fire
Moving On Parts 1-3 - Part 4
In Cold Blood
And yet he is only a whiny b**** during the movies not the Clone Wars series. Kirk had the excuse of no experience due to gaining command of the Enterprise straight out of the Academy while TOS Kirk spent a few years rising up the ranks to gain command of the Enterprise.
Hack writing isn't an excuse. It's one of the dumber things about the JJTrek Universe, that they had to do because they wanted the young, hip "College age" TOS crew...but also needed them to be in the positions everyone remembers from TOS, so for no apparent reason one of the changes brought by the timeline split is that Starfleet now makes it a policy to hand out state of the art starships to anyone who has completed a summer annex course at the Academy.
professionalism requires reliability, discretion, the ability to organise properly and being fair, and yet all through beyond he showed:
-a lack of reliability due to his aggressiveness, entitled behavior and reckless streak.
-his organisational skills were haphazard at best and his plans were on the fly.
-he isn't exactly the soul of discretion anyway, more so since he still acted in a manner stood-out too much and it showed frequently.
-when has the jjkirk ever acted fair with others? his actions with spock, pike, uhura, scotty and his enemies left a lot to be desired.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
So for me all it matters that it is a Star Trek show, heck there was a time that TOS was NOT popular. I have enjoyed everyone of the ST Captains each one of them has done something to impress me - from Kirk to the New Captain Pike.
I.E. Like Sisko punching Q, one of my favorite moments of DS9.
But IF I would have to choose just one Captain it would have to be James T. Kirk. But that might because of all the great memories that I have of TOS, since it was the only Sci-Fi show my Dad would watch.
As far as Star Wars, well I will not post my opinion on them - LoL
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