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  • titanhoss#9356 titanhoss Member Posts: 25 Arc User
    Just checked the Z store myself... had bought the old elite pack... don't even see the reclaim any more... isn't that something I already contractually bought???
  • titanhoss#9356 titanhoss Member Posts: 25 Arc User
    Just checked the Z store myself... had bought the old elite pack... don't even see the reclaim any more... isn't that something I already contractually bought???
    OOps, saw the reclaim in 'services' now...
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 7,994 Arc User
    If you have just a single character the values decent (not amazing just decent) on the new pack but the removal of the account bank slots has to my mind made the overall worth drop considerably. As such I won't recommend it to anyone unless its in a sale whereas its predecessor was something I'd suggest to people at any time.
    So, just curious, do you "recommend" everyone buy their slots individually, for twice the price, or make do with the tiny default inventory?
  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 2,980 Arc User
    edited December 2018
    lordsteve1 wrote: »
    This new pack is pretty awesome. I was lucky enough to buy the original elite starter pack which I can continue to use on new characters. And even though this new pack is only a character unlock, it's pretty sweet that if you already hit the cap on the character in which you buy it on, it gives you some "boxes" which you can move over to other chars to claim whatever you hit the cap on. This slick feature ensures that you don't waste anything.

    It's only awesome if you want to play a single character. If you have multiple characters and want the inventory and bank slots then you'll now have to buy this pack on every single character, that 1000z multiplied by however many toons you run.
    Plus you'll want to buy the account bank on top which is another 1000z.
    Plus the old pack had character slots too so that another 300z or so.
    So to get the same level of reward for an account that the old pack had you're looking at spending at least 4000z+ (account bank + 3 starter packs for the base free characters you get). That's nowhere near as good value as the old pack and its pretty dammed obvious the change was made because of greed and them not making enough money off players.

    What adds insult to injury though is that the replacement has almost the exact same name and the change was unannounced. So it's clearly going to catch a few players out and make Cryptic some cash before people cotton on and realise its a TRIBBLE deal. This whole thing looks really shady if you ask me, its a blatant stealth switcheroo with a less valuable item.

    It's still a really good value that stacks nicely with the old ES Pack pack that has unfortunately been removed. Thankfully I bought it before Cryptic came to their senses. The best part IMO about the new pack is that if you buy it, and it causes you to hit your cap on inventory slots, bank slots or whatever, the pack will instead drop a box in your inventory that you can move over to another character. You can then open that box and claim those unused slots on an alt making sure that you don't waste anything.
  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 1,654 Arc User
    The elite pack it's available for reclaim, but not for sale, i just reclaimed it yesterday… i hope they put it on the c-store again… the new services one…. is not that good...
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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 2,980 Arc User
    Alright, here's a related question. My main has 216 inventory slots and there is no option to buy more slots. Another character has a mere 174 inventory slots. The option to buy more slots is right there on my inventory but when I try to click it, it says I'm already at the max slots. What gives?
  • ruinthefunruinthefun Member Posts: 2,107 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    So, just curious, do you "recommend" everyone buy their slots individually, for twice the price, or make do with the tiny default inventory?
    Given that the "Service Pack" costs over 50K Zen? You may as well just get LTS, it would be cheaper.
  • xyquarzexyquarze Member Posts: 1,813 Arc User
    ruinthefun wrote: »
    warpangel wrote: »
    So, just curious, do you "recommend" everyone buy their slots individually, for twice the price, or make do with the tiny default inventory?
    Given that the "Service Pack" costs over 50K Zen? You may as well just get LTS, it would be cheaper.

    I may be missing something here, but to me it's 1k. Per toon, so you're talking probably totally filled alt roster? But even then it's cheaper than its predecessor. Which was enormously more worth it, especially for altaholics, of course, but the new one still isn't a bad deal, and letting history ("used to be better") make you miscalculate doesn't make for a fair comparison.
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  • lordsteve1lordsteve1 Member Posts: 3,412 Arc User
    xyquarze wrote: »
    ruinthefun wrote: »
    warpangel wrote: »
    So, just curious, do you "recommend" everyone buy their slots individually, for twice the price, or make do with the tiny default inventory?
    Given that the "Service Pack" costs over 50K Zen? You may as well just get LTS, it would be cheaper.

    I may be missing something here, but to me it's 1k. Per toon, so you're talking probably totally filled alt roster? But even then it's cheaper than its predecessor. Which was enormously more worth it, especially for altaholics, of course, but the new one still isn't a bad deal, and letting history ("used to be better") make you miscalculate doesn't make for a fair comparison.

    Well to get the same benefits for the whole account you'd need to spend at least 1000z per alt plus the 1000z for the account bank. Then add on the cost of an EC cap unlock if you still don''t have it, and any extra retrain tokens the original pack had too.
    So you're looking at potentially a lot more zen for the account, and yes for some people lifer account would almost be better.
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  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,079 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    If you have just a single character the values decent (not amazing just decent) on the new pack but the removal of the account bank slots has to my mind made the overall worth drop considerably. As such I won't recommend it to anyone unless its in a sale whereas its predecessor was something I'd suggest to people at any time.
    So, just curious, do you "recommend" everyone buy their slots individually, for twice the price, or make do with the tiny default inventory?

    To repeat myself, with some emphasis to make it more obvious.

    I'd not recommend UNLESS IT'S ON SALE so it's more a case of how patient the person is, default inventory is enough to be going on with unless the character is actively used and you feel the need to have multiple gear sets on them.

    Depends if the alt is just there for offline dilithium duties via doffing & admiralty or not.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 7,994 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    If you have just a single character the values decent (not amazing just decent) on the new pack but the removal of the account bank slots has to my mind made the overall worth drop considerably. As such I won't recommend it to anyone unless its in a sale whereas its predecessor was something I'd suggest to people at any time.
    So, just curious, do you "recommend" everyone buy their slots individually, for twice the price, or make do with the tiny default inventory?

    To repeat myself, with some emphasis to make it more obvious.

    I'd not recommend UNLESS IT'S ON SALE so it's more a case of how patient the person is, default inventory is enough to be going on with unless the character is actively used and you feel the need to have multiple gear sets on them.

    Depends if the alt is just there for offline dilithium duties via doffing & admiralty or not.
    Obviously if you were never going to buy any slots in the first place, the question is moot. However, most players I do presume do have at least one character that is actively used. And a bundle named "Starter" is clearly aimed at new players to START with, so complaining your umpteenth refinery mule doesn't need any slots at all to roll Admiralty ad infinitum is beside the point.

    The bundle costs 1,000 Zen. The slots in it cost 2,350 Zen to buy separately (1,200 for the inventory slots, 900 for the bank slots and 250 for the boff slots). So assuming a player actually needs/wants slots in the first place, what reason can you give that they should pay over twice the price for separate purchases instead of taking the bundle?
  • azrael605azrael605 Member Posts: 8,643 Arc User
    I'll admit to being a little miffed by this, as I had just finally ended my monthly subscription with the intent to buy the Elite Starter. Instead my last stipend went to the EC Cap and with 21 characters I'll just start up the Dillzen mill (for clarification I don't have a main or alts, and character I log in to on a given day could be the one I decide to play), only thing I'm really going to miss is auto refining on Dill, which wasn't in the Elite Starter anyway.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 6,799 Arc User
    The value of the services pack isn't my problem.. the shady bait and switch tactics are my real issue.

    The methods in which this change was implemented are.. shady at best.
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  • ruinthefunruinthefun Member Posts: 2,107 Arc User
    edited December 2018
    xyquarze wrote: »
    Which was enormously more worth it, especially for altaholics, of course, but the new one still isn't a bad deal, and letting history ("used to be better") make you miscalculate doesn't make for a fair comparison.
    Yes it does, and it's not a miscalculation: If it was better in the past, but still not good enough, making it worse now doesn't make it better. And since it's STILL worse than the other option, it's pretty garbage: Like I said: at over 50K Z baseline, you'd be better off just getting LTS at ~20K, and getting more for it.
  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,079 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    warpangel wrote: »
    If you have just a single character the values decent (not amazing just decent) on the new pack but the removal of the account bank slots has to my mind made the overall worth drop considerably. As such I won't recommend it to anyone unless its in a sale whereas its predecessor was something I'd suggest to people at any time.
    So, just curious, do you "recommend" everyone buy their slots individually, for twice the price, or make do with the tiny default inventory?

    To repeat myself, with some emphasis to make it more obvious.

    I'd not recommend UNLESS IT'S ON SALE so it's more a case of how patient the person is, default inventory is enough to be going on with unless the character is actively used and you feel the need to have multiple gear sets on them.

    Depends if the alt is just there for offline dilithium duties via doffing & admiralty or not.
    Obviously if you were never going to buy any slots in the first place, the question is moot. However, most players I do presume do have at least one character that is actively used. And a bundle named "Starter" is clearly aimed at new players to START with, so complaining your umpteenth refinery mule doesn't need any slots at all to roll Admiralty ad infinitum is beside the point.

    The bundle costs 1,000 Zen. The slots in it cost 2,350 Zen to buy separately (1,200 for the inventory slots, 900 for the bank slots and 250 for the boff slots). So assuming a player actually needs/wants slots in the first place, what reason can you give that they should pay over twice the price for separate purchases instead of taking the bundle?

    You see to be trying to argue for the sake of it with the false assumption that I want folk to buy slots piecemeal rather than the bundled option.

    There's nothing in the game that demands large amounts of storage NOW.

    I was easily able to run my F2P account without picking up boff, bank or bag slots for years and only expanded on them when the starter pack arrived. And that is as someone who tends towards being a hoarder in mmo's.

    To put it simply

    WAIT FOR A SALE!

    Can't really be more explicit than that.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 7,994 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    warpangel wrote: »
    If you have just a single character the values decent (not amazing just decent) on the new pack but the removal of the account bank slots has to my mind made the overall worth drop considerably. As such I won't recommend it to anyone unless its in a sale whereas its predecessor was something I'd suggest to people at any time.
    So, just curious, do you "recommend" everyone buy their slots individually, for twice the price, or make do with the tiny default inventory?

    To repeat myself, with some emphasis to make it more obvious.

    I'd not recommend UNLESS IT'S ON SALE so it's more a case of how patient the person is, default inventory is enough to be going on with unless the character is actively used and you feel the need to have multiple gear sets on them.

    Depends if the alt is just there for offline dilithium duties via doffing & admiralty or not.
    Obviously if you were never going to buy any slots in the first place, the question is moot. However, most players I do presume do have at least one character that is actively used. And a bundle named "Starter" is clearly aimed at new players to START with, so complaining your umpteenth refinery mule doesn't need any slots at all to roll Admiralty ad infinitum is beside the point.

    The bundle costs 1,000 Zen. The slots in it cost 2,350 Zen to buy separately (1,200 for the inventory slots, 900 for the bank slots and 250 for the boff slots). So assuming a player actually needs/wants slots in the first place, what reason can you give that they should pay over twice the price for separate purchases instead of taking the bundle?

    You see to be trying to argue for the sake of it with the false assumption that I want folk to buy slots piecemeal rather than the bundled option.

    There's nothing in the game that demands large amounts of storage NOW.

    I was easily able to run my F2P account without picking up boff, bank or bag slots for years and only expanded on them when the starter pack arrived. And that is as someone who tends towards being a hoarder in mmo's.

    To put it simply

    WAIT FOR A SALE!

    Can't really be more explicit than that.
    That's a matter of opinion. I capped my main's inventory/bank as fast as I could and have re-capped them every time the caps have been raised. I'm still constantly out of room. I've been waiting since they 86ed subscriptions they'd put the subscription slot cap increase on the C-Store so I could buy more.

    I was going off your original words "won't recommend it to anyone" and I was interested in if you actually meant that and why? I now see that your "anyone" really just meant anyone who didn't really want more slots to begin with, which is kinda obvious.
  • coldnapalmcoldnapalm Member Posts: 6,907 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    I'll admit to being a little miffed by this, as I had just finally ended my monthly subscription with the intent to buy the Elite Starter. Instead my last stipend went to the EC Cap and with 21 characters I'll just start up the Dillzen mill (for clarification I don't have a main or alts, and character I log in to on a given day could be the one I decide to play), only thing I'm really going to miss is auto refining on Dill, which wasn't in the Elite Starter anyway.

    Umm..yeah Az is saying something negative about this. You know cryptic messed up when Az isn't happy about it.
  • doctorstegidoctorstegi Member Posts: 187 Arc User
    It still sits bad with me. The fact that nobody from cryptic said anything about even though the topic has been posted in the official forums, well that just gives me an idea what kind of intent is behind the switch...
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 6,799 Arc User
    It still sits bad with me. The fact that nobody from cryptic said anything about even though the topic has been posted in the official forums, well that just gives me an idea what kind of intent is behind the switch...

    Yep, at this point there has been multiple requests for clarification from Cryptic on all fronts and those requests have been met with the silence you would expect from those that realize their guilt.

    This was pure 'bait and switch,' and it was intentional. They have done nothing to show otherwise.

    Take this as a lesson going forward, you're not dealing with a reputable company anymore. Future dealings with Cryptic studios should be done with caution.
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  • razar2380razar2380 Member Posts: 1,145 Arc User
    It still sits bad with me. The fact that nobody from cryptic said anything about even though the topic has been posted in the official forums, well that just gives me an idea what kind of intent is behind the switch...

    Yep, at this point there has been multiple requests for clarification from Cryptic on all fronts and those requests have been met with the silence you would expect from those that realize their guilt.

    This was pure 'bait and switch,' and it was intentional. They have done nothing to show otherwise.

    Take this as a lesson going forward, you're not dealing with a reputable company anymore. Future dealings with Cryptic studios should be done with caution.


    I trusted them once before. It was during a live stream. They gave a code for something, and said it was account bound. Then, after almost everyone had it activated, it was changed to being character bound. Original versions of it were account bound, and so everyone believed that they would hold true to their word. I now have it stuck on a toon that I just wanted to test it on their build, and pretty much never really used it after that. But I had other toons that I really needed it on.

    After that, I never trusted anything they said, or anything they promise. I read and re-read everything to make sure they don't pull something like this on me. Sadly, just like with me, there are a lot of players that don't know to expect things like this untill they are hit by it.

    Still, Cryptic/PWE are a lot better than Pixonic. That company wrote the book on being greedy and underhanded.

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  • w00qw00q Member Posts: 80 Arc User
    The Elite Services Starter Pack is now 20% Off during the current 20% Off Services Sale!
  • coldnapalmcoldnapalm Member Posts: 6,907 Arc User
    It still sits bad with me. The fact that nobody from cryptic said anything about even though the topic has been posted in the official forums, well that just gives me an idea what kind of intent is behind the switch...

    Yep, at this point there has been multiple requests for clarification from Cryptic on all fronts and those requests have been met with the silence you would expect from those that realize their guilt.

    This was pure 'bait and switch,' and it was intentional. They have done nothing to show otherwise.

    Take this as a lesson going forward, you're not dealing with a reputable company anymore. Future dealings with Cryptic studios should be done with caution.

    So...funny thing. The Korean game that is pretty much terrible and the definition of leeching gambling addicted gamer dry that I paid the base cost of 10 whole bucks for and was never planning on spending any more money on suddenly started to do things right. They introduced a 100% path to progression. They removed a major incentive to force people into gamble to get better gear. They basically did things where I actually spent more money on that game. In 2 years of play. Cryptic on the other hand with their latest handling of Romulans has pretty much shut me off from spending any more money on this game. Hell I skipped the T6 Vorcha...a ship I was planning on getting to not even use, but just to get because it was so overdue and I wanted to support ships like this one getting released. That starter pack deal...yeah not helping at all. I'm not sure what happened...but I think I maybe in bizzaro world since I just saw a Jimmy Dore show where they were praising Trump. Yep...pretty sure this is bizzaro world now.
  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 4,832 Community Moderator
    Since this is now just bashing on Cryptic, I'm closing this.

    Per the Terms of Service:

    24.4 We may, from time to time, modify, amend, or supplement our fees, billing methods and terms applicable to Zen or to any purchases, and post those changes in these Terms, in separate Terms of Sale or in other terms or agreements posted on the Website or Service or otherwise provided to you by us. Such modifications, amendments, supplements or Terms of Sale shall be effective immediately upon posting on the Website or Service and shall be incorporated by reference into these Terms. If any change is unacceptable to you, you may terminate your account at any time.

    https://www.arcgames.com/en/about/terms

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