And there are holocommunications, and other so-called "vanished technologies", in every incarnation except TOS (and ENT, of course). If their not being mentioned or shown means they didn't exist, then toilets didn't exist either.
Toilets are on screen, tho'. Kirk even sits on one.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Ok, this is my personal opinion on the show:
1) I don't like being a prequel. This is Sci-Fi, about the future, let's go on after nemesis! There are plenty opportunities to develop after Shinzon. And messing with past things is not a great idea.
2) I don't like the characters crew. Burnham is the worst one...not just almost a mary sue character but it's cleary a forced plot character. Saru is interesting instead, that "prey attitude" is particular at least. Cpt. Georgiou was much better than burnham.
And that Sarek relationship is super forced. (Why they didn't make her vulcan, that would have been more logical).
3) klingon space orcs....they're well done, but are NOT klingons! They're a mix of dark elves/Orcs from a fantasy world. They could be nice and fine if they were called aliens xyz and NOT klingons.
What I like about Discovery: the overall story and the visuals(which includes a lot of different things).
What I don't like: some(not all) really cringeworthy writing/dialogue. (mostly from Burnham)
So all in all, I like about 90% of Discovery. But that 10% I don't like is extremely annoying when it happens, and makes me want to fast forward or just stop watching until I forget that feeling and go back later.
Then there is the problem that The Orville captures the essence of Star Trek far better than Discovery with its social commentary.
LOL! No.
So where does Discovery follows the Star Trek creed of "Space: the final frontier.....to explore strange new worlds. To seek out new life and new civilizations. To boldly go where no man has gone before!"? The Vulcan Hello dealt with helping a pre-warp civilization obtain fresh water due to a mining accident. Into the Forest I Go dealt with finding some way to counteract the Klingons' cloaking devices. The Mirror Universe arc was about trying to get back to their own universe. None of these situations was about the joy of exploration while The Orville has a few episodes purely about the joy of exploration.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
the 'joy of exploration' is almost as big of a joke as the 'glory of war'...there is no glory in war and there is no joy in exploration
I am certain that Neil Armstrong was excited when he was taking his first steps on the Moon. There is something special about being the first person to experience a particular scene. Americans were full of the frontier spirit, but it seems to be decaying over the years.
Then there is the problem that The Orville captures the essence of Star Trek far better than Discovery with its social commentary.
LOL! No.
So where does Discovery follows the Star Trek creed of "Space: the final frontier.....to explore strange new worlds. To seek out new life and new civilizations. To boldly go where no man has gone before!"? The Vulcan Hello dealt with helping a pre-warp civilization obtain fresh water due to a mining accident. Into the Forest I Go dealt with finding some way to counteract the Klingons' cloaking devices. The Mirror Universe arc was about trying to get back to their own universe. None of these situations was about the joy of exploration while The Orville has a few episodes purely about the joy of exploration.
Yeah, that sounds pretty much like something you can easily aply to DS9.
And if you want exploration: The first episode of the show includes visiting an alien planet and analyzing an unknown probe or satellite. Then we have the episode Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum, visiting an unknown planet and encountering strange new life and civilizations.
Not every episode in Star Trek is about exploring strange new worlds and seeking out new life and new civlizations.
Sometimes it was about a Holodeck malfunction, sometimes about hosting a meeting for already-well-known life and civilizations, sometimes about a Klingon Civil War with well-known civilizations and life, sometimes about the War with the Dominion, sometimes about someone dealing with PTSD from a war injury, sometimes about helping a holographic singer to overcome a bunch of hologangster, sometimes about a former enemy trying to bring his people to atone for the sins they commited.
But sometimes, it's how one man's pain can start healing only as he is forced to explain the nature of linear time to other-dimensional aliens.
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the 'joy of exploration' is almost as big of a joke as the 'glory of war'...there is no glory in war and there is no joy in exploration
I absolutely disagree with the joy in exploration part of this statement.
As a boy I was the one who went out into the woods to build new trails, find new hangout spots, new trees for tree houses. Then I'd bring my friends there, hang out a few days or weeks, and then go off exploring again.
As a young man I pedaled my 10-speed all over Southeast Louisiana and Southwest Mississippi, searching out new places for my biking friends to pedal. I also spent quite a few days sailing the Pontchartrain Basin and the Mississippi Sound in a 22' sloop-rig.
When I was in the Navy I snorkeled every time I could get away from the ship, and if the water was too cold I explored towns, not just the nearest bars to the pier the ship was tied to, but the places where the locals went. I even tried to walk around St.John in the US Virgin Islands, but it was too big, and had private beaches.
Even now I'm prone to getting on my motorcycle and riding off to someplace I've never been just to see what's there. You'd be surprised what you can see in small out of the way paces all across the USA.
You know, today my niece mentioned that she wanted to visit her aunt, (not my sister,) in Reno, and I pointed out that the Grand Canyon is kind of on the way. I'm thinking I can drive at night so she can have the days with her kids. If we make good enough time, the Redwoods of California aren't too much farther. I could do it alone easy in three or four days there and about the same back. We'll see how much the kids slow us down.
I find intense joy in exploration. It is a feeling I cannot describe unless you feel it too, in which case I don't need to describe it to you. If you don't like waking up in a strange place, seeing a new sight you never imagined to see, meeting a person who is so different from you that you can't help but notice how much you are alike, well, I pity you. You will never know how beautiful the world can truly be, or how wonderful the people in it truly are.
"You can't dislike Y because other, unrelated people disliked X years ago. You like X ergo you like Y"
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I'm amazed at the naivety of the writers from the beginning. It's almost like they wrote a prequel with no concept of what happened in TOS and the blinkered stupidity that thousands upon thousands of Star Trek fans wouldn't pick apart every single thing they do in order to find errors in continuty. That alone makes me dislike the program.
And some of the writing makes me cringe...seven red stars suddenly popped up thousands of light years away and apart, so what? You're already a millenium too late to reacte because those 'lights' came on a thousand years ago.
It's an average sci-fi show with the words Star Trek tacked on because that name sells, without that tag it would possibly just vanish into mediocrity.
As for it ruining ST: Online because it isn't Star Trek...I'm still looking for the episode when Kirk/Picard/Sisco/Archer/Janeway beamed in anywhere, slaughtered dozens of mooks with a Herald beam projecter and looted their still twiching corpses. Because that seems to be 90% of what the game is about.
I welcome any new content into the game, if I need my fix of Star Trek I'll stick on a DVD not play ST:Online.
I'm amazed at the naivety of the writers from the beginning.
I'd personally use the word 'arrogance' over naivety, and point at the execs over the writers.
And some of the writing makes me cringe...seven red stars suddenly popped up thousands of light years away and apart, so what? You're already a millenium too late to reacte because those 'lights' came on a thousand years ago.
Two things:
1) Subspace sensors aren't limited by the speed of light.
2) Star Trek has regularly (often flagrantly) violated the laws of physics (and depended upon a suspension of disbelief) in order to tell its story.
We have ships flying like maritime warships rather than like they're in a vacuum, communicating with each other across thousands of light years in real time, where various species which evolved separate from each other are sufficiently genetically compatible to bear children, with directed energy weapons capable of either incinerating a person or merely rendering them unconscious without injury on the same basic principles, and where it is possible to completely disassemble a person at the subatomic level, transmit those subatomic particles across space and then reassemble said particles in such a way that the person still has ongoing brain functions when they rematerialise. And witnessing new stars cropping up is a major issue? Personally, I have an easier time believing in an ability to witness events using sensors operating FTL (which is already theoretically possible via quantum tunnelling) than I do in a phaser stun.
(Note to others: I specifically left out 'Spock's Brain' as an example because that episode is widely panned by the fanbase as absurd. Better to use examples which are generally accepted.)
Missing the point. Read that article. Notice anything familiar about the arguments being made there?
What exactly is the point then? In reaction to someone listing their points of criticism the reply is, again and as so often, that people had similar complaints when TNG came out. How is that relevant to the person voicing their criticism?
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Missing the point. Read that article. Notice anything familiar about the arguments being made there?
What exactly is the point then? In reaction to someone listing their points of criticism the reply is, again and as so often, that people had similar complaints when TNG came out. How is that relevant to the person voicing their criticism?
It's obviously relevant because most Star Trek fans treasure TNG as an important part of the franchise today.
That means two things:
Just because there are some that don't like it doesn't mean no one likes it, and doesn't mean it won't be treasured just as much in the future.
If you see the same critique againts both shows, but the first show is treasured, you have to ask yourself if the critique is simply too shallow and ultimately does not actually provide anything to judge the new show on, or to act on.
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It still is in no way relevant in the context, aside from being a rather rude attempt to dismiss criticism per majority rule. That's poor debate culture. Shouldn't we be able to simply discuss the brought up points instead of simply trying to be mean, essentially?
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
They can't except that it can't look like it did in 1966, technology has advanced so much that it would actually be harder to make things look like they did in TOS.
It still is in no way relevant in the context, aside fro0m being a rather rude attempt to dismiss criticism per majority rule. That's poor debate culture. Shouldn't we be able to simply discuss the brought up points instead of simply trying to be mean, essentially?
If the critique is really the same as against TNG; I think it's relevant in context. It might be dismissive, but if you tell me the Earth is flat, when the arguments that show that it isn't have already been discussed plenty before, I think it's okay to refer to the previous discussion and dismiss further talk about it.
If the critique is something else, however, it would be wrong. I think some critique towards Discovery is different, but some isn't, and if people discuss the repeated parts, it's just a waste. It would instead be more interesting to discuss new flaws unique to Discovery (because as a DISCO fan, I think it definitely has), but we never get to talk about it anywhere.
People rather talk about how it's not like TOS/TNG, rather than "the ending was rushed and uneven" or "The mystery and final reveal around Lorca was cool, but his characterization afterwards felt like a big let down".
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what mystery? there was NO mystery - anyone with a functioning brain knew he was either section 31 or from the mirror universe the second he appeared in episode 3
no, actually, you know what - everyone knew long before that because producers don't know how to keep their damn mouths shut
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Ok, sorry if any of my comments are already voiced, but I will voice them here.
Star Trek Discovery is part of the Kelvin Time Line. How do we know this, there are several pieces of evidence here. First the Klingons look like those out of Star Trek Into Darkness, not from the hundreds of hours of current Trek. Second, look how the ships go into and out of Warp, same as Star Trek (Kelvin Timeline).
It can fit, remember the Kelvin was destroyed what about 20+ years before Kirk (Chris Pine) and the Enterprise saves Pike and the day. Discovery is just a few years before Kirk finishes the Academy.
I don't like when a prequel presents tech or ideas that are more advanced then the future stuff, or retails stories again and again. Star Trek Enterprise and the time travel stuff got old, the third season was way toooooo long, etc. But Enterprise covered the Borg, the Ferengi, the Tholians, etc. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed Enterprise during the first two seasons, after that, I lost interest. TNG, DS9, and what I seen of VOY, didn't rewrite history, but Enterprise tried.
Like I said, Discovery is Kelvin Time Line, so I will leave it at that. If your not sure how that really works out, look at the three Star Trek Movies, Starfleet doesn't seem to have much for ships, and is just starting out with 5 year missions, what happened to the last 100+ years sense enterprise didn't they explore?
So, if you are worried about Discovery rewriting history, just remember it isn't our already created history that's been in the making for the last 50 years. I mean no other Trek other then the new stuff has big windows on the bridge, they all had big monitors.... It is the Kelvin Timeline, so, sit back and enjoy....
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> @brian334 said:
> No toilets in Trek. They use Transporter Briefs: The Go Anywhere Underwear. (Now available in fashionable women's styles and sizes, for when you want to feel as pretty as you are fresh!)
I get the point, but this is a often repeated falsehood: There are various toilets or bathrooms on-screen in all incarnations of Trek, except for TOS and TAS methinks. 😜
I remember Franks, during the 1994 TNG finale weekend, showed a location of bathrooms on the Engineering MSD of the Enterprise, and it did have a bathroom.....one.
Though I feel the toilets are in everyone's quarters. Just like with other shows, we know they use the bathrooms, but we just don't see them.
And personally, do you REALLY want to see Picard or McCoy pinching a loaf?
the 'joy of exploration' is almost as big of a joke as the 'glory of war'...there is no glory in war and there is no joy in exploration
HOLD IT.
Same goes for Hawk.
You mean finding a new, unknown place or people....never seen before by any of your species is boring?
Hell, even in games, I enjoy exploring. One reason I love Minecraft, because each world you start is a new world....and you can literally walk for weeks, seeing new areas, finding villages, ruins, and treasures.
Hell, if you could explore the moon or mars, you'd really find that BORING?
But hey, there's a football game on, you go have fun, sir.
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Toilets are on screen, tho'. Kirk even sits on one.
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1) I don't like being a prequel. This is Sci-Fi, about the future, let's go on after nemesis! There are plenty opportunities to develop after Shinzon. And messing with past things is not a great idea.
2) I don't like the characters crew. Burnham is the worst one...not just almost a mary sue character but it's cleary a forced plot character. Saru is interesting instead, that "prey attitude" is particular at least. Cpt. Georgiou was much better than burnham.
And that Sarek relationship is super forced. (Why they didn't make her vulcan, that would have been more logical).
3) klingon space orcs....they're well done, but are NOT klingons! They're a mix of dark elves/Orcs from a fantasy world. They could be nice and fine if they were called aliens xyz and NOT klingons.
What I don't like: some(not all) really cringeworthy writing/dialogue. (mostly from Burnham)
So all in all, I like about 90% of Discovery. But that 10% I don't like is extremely annoying when it happens, and makes me want to fast forward or just stop watching until I forget that feeling and go back later.
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So where does Discovery follows the Star Trek creed of "Space: the final frontier.....to explore strange new worlds. To seek out new life and new civilizations. To boldly go where no man has gone before!"? The Vulcan Hello dealt with helping a pre-warp civilization obtain fresh water due to a mining accident. Into the Forest I Go dealt with finding some way to counteract the Klingons' cloaking devices. The Mirror Universe arc was about trying to get back to their own universe. None of these situations was about the joy of exploration while The Orville has a few episodes purely about the joy of exploration.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
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I am certain that Neil Armstrong was excited when he was taking his first steps on the Moon. There is something special about being the first person to experience a particular scene. Americans were full of the frontier spirit, but it seems to be decaying over the years.
And if you want exploration: The first episode of the show includes visiting an alien planet and analyzing an unknown probe or satellite. Then we have the episode Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum, visiting an unknown planet and encountering strange new life and civilizations.
Not every episode in Star Trek is about exploring strange new worlds and seeking out new life and new civlizations.
Sometimes it was about a Holodeck malfunction, sometimes about hosting a meeting for already-well-known life and civilizations, sometimes about a Klingon Civil War with well-known civilizations and life, sometimes about the War with the Dominion, sometimes about someone dealing with PTSD from a war injury, sometimes about helping a holographic singer to overcome a bunch of hologangster, sometimes about a former enemy trying to bring his people to atone for the sins they commited.
But sometimes, it's how one man's pain can start healing only as he is forced to explain the nature of linear time to other-dimensional aliens.
I absolutely disagree with the joy in exploration part of this statement.
As a boy I was the one who went out into the woods to build new trails, find new hangout spots, new trees for tree houses. Then I'd bring my friends there, hang out a few days or weeks, and then go off exploring again.
As a young man I pedaled my 10-speed all over Southeast Louisiana and Southwest Mississippi, searching out new places for my biking friends to pedal. I also spent quite a few days sailing the Pontchartrain Basin and the Mississippi Sound in a 22' sloop-rig.
When I was in the Navy I snorkeled every time I could get away from the ship, and if the water was too cold I explored towns, not just the nearest bars to the pier the ship was tied to, but the places where the locals went. I even tried to walk around St.John in the US Virgin Islands, but it was too big, and had private beaches.
Even now I'm prone to getting on my motorcycle and riding off to someplace I've never been just to see what's there. You'd be surprised what you can see in small out of the way paces all across the USA.
You know, today my niece mentioned that she wanted to visit her aunt, (not my sister,) in Reno, and I pointed out that the Grand Canyon is kind of on the way. I'm thinking I can drive at night so she can have the days with her kids. If we make good enough time, the Redwoods of California aren't too much farther. I could do it alone easy in three or four days there and about the same back. We'll see how much the kids slow us down.
I find intense joy in exploration. It is a feeling I cannot describe unless you feel it too, in which case I don't need to describe it to you. If you don't like waking up in a strange place, seeing a new sight you never imagined to see, meeting a person who is so different from you that you can't help but notice how much you are alike, well, I pity you. You will never know how beautiful the world can truly be, or how wonderful the people in it truly are.
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Missing the point. Read that article. Notice anything familiar about the arguments being made there?
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And some of the writing makes me cringe...seven red stars suddenly popped up thousands of light years away and apart, so what? You're already a millenium too late to reacte because those 'lights' came on a thousand years ago.
It's an average sci-fi show with the words Star Trek tacked on because that name sells, without that tag it would possibly just vanish into mediocrity.
As for it ruining ST: Online because it isn't Star Trek...I'm still looking for the episode when Kirk/Picard/Sisco/Archer/Janeway beamed in anywhere, slaughtered dozens of mooks with a Herald beam projecter and looted their still twiching corpses. Because that seems to be 90% of what the game is about.
I welcome any new content into the game, if I need my fix of Star Trek I'll stick on a DVD not play ST:Online.
All IMHO, etc, etc
I'd personally use the word 'arrogance' over naivety, and point at the execs over the writers.
Two things:
1) Subspace sensors aren't limited by the speed of light.
2) Star Trek has regularly (often flagrantly) violated the laws of physics (and depended upon a suspension of disbelief) in order to tell its story.
We have ships flying like maritime warships rather than like they're in a vacuum, communicating with each other across thousands of light years in real time, where various species which evolved separate from each other are sufficiently genetically compatible to bear children, with directed energy weapons capable of either incinerating a person or merely rendering them unconscious without injury on the same basic principles, and where it is possible to completely disassemble a person at the subatomic level, transmit those subatomic particles across space and then reassemble said particles in such a way that the person still has ongoing brain functions when they rematerialise. And witnessing new stars cropping up is a major issue? Personally, I have an easier time believing in an ability to witness events using sensors operating FTL (which is already theoretically possible via quantum tunnelling) than I do in a phaser stun.
(Note to others: I specifically left out 'Spock's Brain' as an example because that episode is widely panned by the fanbase as absurd. Better to use examples which are generally accepted.)
Trials of Blood and Fire
Moving On Parts 1-3 - Part 4
In Cold Blood
What exactly is the point then? In reaction to someone listing their points of criticism the reply is, again and as so often, that people had similar complaints when TNG came out. How is that relevant to the person voicing their criticism?
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It's obviously relevant because most Star Trek fans treasure TNG as an important part of the franchise today.
That means two things:
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If the critique is something else, however, it would be wrong. I think some critique towards Discovery is different, but some isn't, and if people discuss the repeated parts, it's just a waste. It would instead be more interesting to discuss new flaws unique to Discovery (because as a DISCO fan, I think it definitely has), but we never get to talk about it anywhere.
People rather talk about how it's not like TOS/TNG, rather than "the ending was rushed and uneven" or "The mystery and final reveal around Lorca was cool, but his characterization afterwards felt like a big let down".
no, actually, you know what - everyone knew long before that because producers don't know how to keep their damn mouths shut
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Star Trek Discovery is part of the Kelvin Time Line. How do we know this, there are several pieces of evidence here. First the Klingons look like those out of Star Trek Into Darkness, not from the hundreds of hours of current Trek. Second, look how the ships go into and out of Warp, same as Star Trek (Kelvin Timeline).
It can fit, remember the Kelvin was destroyed what about 20+ years before Kirk (Chris Pine) and the Enterprise saves Pike and the day. Discovery is just a few years before Kirk finishes the Academy.
I don't like when a prequel presents tech or ideas that are more advanced then the future stuff, or retails stories again and again. Star Trek Enterprise and the time travel stuff got old, the third season was way toooooo long, etc. But Enterprise covered the Borg, the Ferengi, the Tholians, etc. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed Enterprise during the first two seasons, after that, I lost interest. TNG, DS9, and what I seen of VOY, didn't rewrite history, but Enterprise tried.
Like I said, Discovery is Kelvin Time Line, so I will leave it at that. If your not sure how that really works out, look at the three Star Trek Movies, Starfleet doesn't seem to have much for ships, and is just starting out with 5 year missions, what happened to the last 100+ years sense enterprise didn't they explore?
So, if you are worried about Discovery rewriting history, just remember it isn't our already created history that's been in the making for the last 50 years. I mean no other Trek other then the new stuff has big windows on the bridge, they all had big monitors.... It is the Kelvin Timeline, so, sit back and enjoy....
I remember Franks, during the 1994 TNG finale weekend, showed a location of bathrooms on the Engineering MSD of the Enterprise, and it did have a bathroom.....one.
Though I feel the toilets are in everyone's quarters. Just like with other shows, we know they use the bathrooms, but we just don't see them.
And personally, do you REALLY want to see Picard or McCoy pinching a loaf?
HOLD IT.
Same goes for Hawk.
You mean finding a new, unknown place or people....never seen before by any of your species is boring?
Hell, even in games, I enjoy exploring. One reason I love Minecraft, because each world you start is a new world....and you can literally walk for weeks, seeing new areas, finding villages, ruins, and treasures.
Hell, if you could explore the moon or mars, you'd really find that BORING?
But hey, there's a football game on, you go have fun, sir.