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Torpedo launcher thoughts

I'm finding some frustration with the torpedo system set up. Often, to get the most of a build, I'll have to mount a torp launcher to complete a set bonus, but I'll find the launcher itself to be lackluster, or it'll interact with Boff powers in a different way from the other launchers, forcing me to micromanage the launch systems when activating powers. It's cumbersome and not always fun when mounting multiple types of launchers. An example of this would be the Gravimetric Photon Torpedo launcher, which provides a nice set bonus to photon torpedo damage, but fires slowly and creates a slow, destructible torpedo when using High Yeild which doesn't hit it's target half the time due to enemy movement or counterfire. Granted, the damage is nice when it/if hits, but I genuinely prefer the rapid-fire streams of torps, as it has more of a classic Star Trek feel to it in additon to being more reliable.

My suggestion is to use a magazine system. Launchers would be mounted in weapon slots as normal, but ships would have several magazine slots, similar to the consumable slot, and the players can select which magazine the launchers would draw from. The launchers mounted in weapon slots would have the [Acc] [Crit] and other modifiers, the magazine slot items would define the damage, reload time, and other special game effect.

Thanks for reading.

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  • alexraptorralexraptorr Member Posts: 1,192 Arc User
    To be fair the entire point of set bonuses is about making decisions. Deciding on whether or not a certain set fits into your build, or if you are willing to "sacrifice" to take advantage of a certain set bonus.
    The High Yield firing modes are also flavors that by design give a certain kind of feel and playstyle to different torpedo types.
    So ultimately what works for one build won't necessarily work for another, nor should it.
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  • octiasoctias Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    I'm completely on board with making decisions based on pros and cons; I'm okay with that choice. The distinction I'm making is fun vs tedious/annoying. What I'd really like is an effective end game build that is thematically similar to the phaser/photon torp setup which has been the mainstay of Starfleet for centuries. While I have a enough gear and resources to make several viable builds, the ever-present requirement of set bonuses doesn't jive with the feel of cannonic Starfleet equipment. In addition, as I mentioned before, mounting more than one type of launcher which interact with Boff powers differently is cumbersome and often unenjoyable. Being about to switch between the types of torpedoes I'm firing, on the other hand, sounds pretty fun.
  • lordsteve1lordsteve1 Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    wardcalis wrote: »
    A magazine system would ruin torpedo boats, torp boats are more challenging and expensive to build, but they are NEARLY always more fun to play. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhiGUDdnDMM This video is 2 years old and these are elite level enemies. You can't play like this using beams or cannons and it's much more engaging even using the simplified method i'm using here.

    Also, don't use only 1 torp,

    That Neutronic explosion at around 0.38 secs in is something beautiful, lol.

    The power of torps is there if you want to look for it. Sure it's a tough style to play with and the house is stacked against you but when it works, boy is it fun.
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  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,164 Arc User
    octias wrote: »
    An example of this would be the Gravimetric Photon Torpedo launcher, which provides a nice set bonus to photon torpedo damage, but fires slowly and creates a slow, destructible torpedo when using High Yeild which doesn't hit it's target half the time due to enemy movement or counterfire. Granted, the damage is nice when it/if hits,
    That can be fixed in game with the right setup a Gravimetric Photon should hit 90%+ of the time. There already is a torp in game with a magazine that hits twice as many targets in torpedo spread 10 instead of 5 but few people use it at magazines are not fun to play .

  • darkknightucfdarkknightucf Member Posts: 1,546 Media Corps
    A magazine system would have to be balanced by increasing the destructive yield of torps.
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  • redwren89redwren89 Member Posts: 257 Arc User
    edited August 2018
    Why don't we expand on the "load torpedo bays, arm all weapons" rhetoric given by almost every star trek TV show captain out there.

    Let's be realistic, it would take time to lay a torpedo on the track to go into the torpedo tube. But why don't we keep laying them, even when not firing them? Hence the "load torpedo bays" command.

    To effect a loading system, we could make every torpedo like the omega torpedo launcher which reloads each torpedo after a time.

    And for parity with the shows, let's launch as many torpedoes at a time as a ship has torpedo tubes.
    Perhaps different classes of ships can have a different number of fore and aft torpedo tubes.

    This would be the most realistic, and the most fun. It would be silly to get hopes up though.
  • redwren89redwren89 Member Posts: 257 Arc User
    wardcalis wrote: »
    redwren89 wrote: »
    Why don't we expand on the "load torpedo bays, arm all weapons" rhetoric given by almost every star trek TV show captain out there.

    Let's be realistic, it would take time to lay a torpedo on the track to go into the torpedo tube. But why don't we keep laying them, even when not firing them? Hence the "load torpedo bays" command.

    To effect a loading system, we could make every torpedo like the omega torpedo launcher which reloads each torpedo after a time.

    And for parity with the shows, let's launch as many torpedoes at a time as a ship has torpedo tubes.
    Perhaps different classes of ships can have a different number of fore and aft torpedo tubes.

    This would be the most realistic, and the most fun. It would be silly to get hopes up though.

    just no

    Would you care to justify your most dismissive and pointless remark?
  • redwren89redwren89 Member Posts: 257 Arc User
    redwren89 wrote: »
    wardcalis wrote: »
    redwren89 wrote: »
    Why don't we expand on the "load torpedo bays, arm all weapons" rhetoric given by almost every star trek TV show captain out there.

    Let's be realistic, it would take time to lay a torpedo on the track to go into the torpedo tube. But why don't we keep laying them, even when not firing them? Hence the "load torpedo bays" command.

    To effect a loading system, we could make every torpedo like the omega torpedo launcher which reloads each torpedo after a time.

    And for parity with the shows, let's launch as many torpedoes at a time as a ship has torpedo tubes.
    Perhaps different classes of ships can have a different number of fore and aft torpedo tubes.

    This would be the most realistic, and the most fun. It would be silly to get hopes up though.

    just no

    Would you care to justify your most dismissive and pointless remark?

    Can we get real now :D
  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    Unfortunately the game is built around choosing one weapon type and doing that exclusively. How can any set bonus compete against that 4th or 5th Spire console?
  • redwren89redwren89 Member Posts: 257 Arc User
    > @wardcalis said:
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    > wardcalis wrote: »
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    > Why don't we expand on the "load torpedo bays, arm all weapons" rhetoric given by almost every star trek TV show captain out there.
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    > Let's be realistic, it would take time to lay a torpedo on the track to go into the torpedo tube. But why don't we keep laying them, even when not firing them? Hence the "load torpedo bays" command.
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    > To effect a loading system, we could make every torpedo like the omega torpedo launcher which reloads each torpedo after a time.
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    > And for parity with the shows, let's launch as many torpedoes at a time as a ship has torpedo tubes.
    > Perhaps different classes of ships can have a different number of fore and aft torpedo tubes.
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    > This would be the most realistic, and the most fun. It would be silly to get hopes up though.
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    > just no
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    > Would you care to justify your most dismissive and pointless remark?
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    > this would demolish torp boats, so no, we like being torp boats, we like understanding and using torps the correct way. thats how we do this type of thing. You're proposed change would make torps completely worthless for torp boats, beam boats and cannon boats

    No logical reason is given here. I suggested a genuine idea. I won't be responding to this kind of post again.
  • redwren89redwren89 Member Posts: 257 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    > @dracounguis said:
    > Unfortunately the game is built around choosing one weapon type and doing that exclusively. How can any set bonus compete against that 4th or 5th Spire console?

    Proton weapon set gives 25%+ photon damage, 10% photon critical chance, 10% crit sev. This is much better than spire. So for torpedo boats, it's nice to use photons. I use gravimetric and adv piezoelectric torps with the proton weapon and other science torps in aft. However you did mention using one weapon type exclusively. A range of colony tac consoles boost energy and projectile dmg and heal you too for some versatility, albeit in an overly nerf-needed way.
  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    if torps didn't share a cool-down that would help a lot with their weakness. if you could time 2, 3 or 4 tubes to go off at the right instant, you could do some nice damage.

    (i assume they still share a cool-down? I don't run multi-torp builds.)
  • arionisaarionisa Member Posts: 1,421 Arc User
    if torps didn't share a cool-down that would help a lot with their weakness. if you could time 2, 3 or 4 tubes to go off at the right instant, you could do some nice damage.

    (i assume they still share a cool-down? I don't run multi-torp builds.)

    Last time I looked, yes, torps still share a cool down. Something which has never made even the tiniest bit of sense. It would make sense if a ship only had one torp launcher, meaning a new torp would have to be loaded before it could fire again but that isn't the case. The ship has x number of totally separate torp launchers, each with it's own totally separate torpedo loaded and for some inexplicable reason if I fire one of those torpedoes suddenly none of the other torpedo launchers can be used ?

    Is there some special manual launch button on each launcher that is DNA encoded to one single crewmember who has to run from launcher to launcher, and press his/her/it's thumb to the pad before a torpedo can launch or something ?
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  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,164 Arc User
    edited October 2018
    if torps didn't share a cool-down that would help a lot with their weakness. if you could time 2, 3 or 4 tubes to go off at the right instant, you could do some nice damage.

    (i assume they still share a cool-down? I don't run multi-torp builds.)
    Not sure if it’s still the case as I haven’t used it in a long time. But the Crystalline Entity torpedo used to have a zero shared cooldown. You used to be able to get multiple copies and even today can still fit 5+ to a ship although you can no longer get extra copies.

    It always sticks in my mind as 5 firing fast without shared cooldown looked very pretty with the lights.

  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,164 Arc User
    edited October 2018
    double post
  • yakodymyakodym Member Posts: 362 Arc User
    I would like to be able to select which weapons would trigger their boff powers - For example, In a set of 5 torpedoes, disable boff power triggering on everything but the Terran Task Force Photon Torpedo. That way, every time you would activate for example High Yield, it would be guaranteed to trigger on that weapon only, making sure you always get that sweet damage boost from attacking a target below 50% hp.
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