Help With Building a Hybrid ENG + TAC cruiser.

salvation4 · March 2018

Well I need help on building a Hybrid ENG+TAC cruiser..Any suggestion will be most welcomed!! Thanks in advance..

Ship = Fleet Intel Assualt cruiser (T6)

Fore Weapons:(4)
-UR 2xAdvanced fleet phaser beam arrays (CrtD)(DMG x3) MKXIV
-UR Kinetic cutting beam (DMGx4) MKXIV
-UR Wide Angle Quantum Torp (CrtD)(DMGx2) MKXIV = (Note:Want to swap with the Quantum Phase Torpedo (CrtD)(CrtH)(Proc) from Sunrise.

Aft Weapons:(4)
-UR 2xAdvanced fleet phaser beam arrays (CrtD)(DMG x3) MKXIV
-UR Trilithium enhanced omni directional phaser beam array (Acc)(DMGx2) MKXIV
-VR Omni directional phaser beam array (DMGx2) MKXIV

ENG consoles: (5)
-E Enhanced Neutronium Alloy (HP) MKXIV
-E House Martok Defensive Configuration) MKXIV
-E Reinforced armamnets MKXIV
-E Quantum Phase converter MKXIV
-E Assimilated Module MKXIV

SCI:(2)
-E Temporal Disentanglement Suit MKXIV
-E Temporally Shielded Datacore MKXIV

TAC:(4)
-UR 2xFleet Vulnerability Locators (Phasers) MKXIV
-E D.O.M.I.N.O.
-E Plasmonic Leech

Devices:(4)
-Red Matter Capacitor
-Subspace Field Modulator
-Delta Support
-Shield Batteries

Deflector:
- UR Kobali Deflector (HullHeal) MKXIV

Engines:
-UR Romulan Advance Prototype Impulse Engines (Turn) MKXIV

Warp Core:
-UR Iconian Hypper Injection Warp Core (AMP) MKXIV

Shields:
-UR Romulan Advanced Prototype Covariant Shields (PLA) MKXIV

Sets Used in 2 piece configurations:
-Romulan (From Romulan Reputation) = Prototype Plasma Weapon Projectile
-Quantum Phase (Frome Episode Sunrise) = Phase transfer optimisation ability
-Assimilate (From Task Force Omega Reputation) = Omega Weapon Amplifier
-Reinforced Armaments (From Episode Beyond the Nexsus) - Speed Tweaks

Running Aux2Bat type build..I am Having issues keeping Aux Power up..

Boff Seating:

Intel Universal Lt.Cmd (3 abilities): (ENG seating option) OR Intel Universal Lt.Cmd (3 abilities): (TAC seating option)
-Emergency to Weapons 1 -High Yield Torpedo 1
-Directed Energy Modulation 1 -Beam Overload 2
-Surgical Strikes 1 (Intel) -Attack Patrtern Beta 2

Cmd. Engineering: (4 abilities)
-Emergency Power to Engines 1
-Emergency Power to Shields 2
-Engineering Team 3
-Auxillary power to Emergency Batteries 3

Lt. Engineering: (2 abilities)
-Emergency to Aux 1
-Reverse shield polarity 1

Lt. Cmd. Tactical (3 abilities)
-Torpedo Spread 1
-Target Shield subsystem 2
-Beam FAW3

Cadet Tactical (1 ability)
-Tactical Team 1

seriousdave · March 2018

Yeah, looks kinda rough.
Ditch the KCB for the quantum phase beam. Not only do you get an energy beam that is compatible with both phaser boosts and boff powers but also get the 3pc bonus (with the torp) which is also boosted by EPG and +phaser damage.

For the consoles:
tac: all Vulnerability Locators
eng: conductive rcs accelerator [ResAll], Reinforced Armaments, Quantum Phase converter, D.O.M.I.N.O., Plasmonic Leech
sci: anything beneficial, zero point, nukara console, maybe the lukari console for an emergency heal or any fancy lobi/lockbox/rep/etc. you've got lying around

Rest of the gear, kinda mixed bag. The romulan bonus doesn't do jack. You've got neither plasma torps nor do you have any ability that deals exotic damge.

Personally I would go for the nukara 2pc (shields+defelctor) and maybe change the core for the terran one. Or maybe just straight up iconian 4pc. Depends on preferences, there's lots of options there.

As for boffs, without considering any traits, doffs or something I'd go with:
cmdr eng: ET1, RSP1, EptW3, Aux2Sif3
lt. engi: EptW1, DEM1 <-- maybe EptS1 if you've got the Shield Overload trait
lt cmdr tac: TT1, APB2, BFAW3
ensign tac: TS1
lt. cmdr sci/intel: HE1, ST2, OSS3 <-- some basic heals/clears that keep you alive and functioning

salvation4 · March 2018

noted..Will experiment with it..And yeah I was looking at the Terran equipment..And Got half way through getting the Ico set..

From What I can see..
-Ico set for survivability which in turn can free my universal slot for a tac or eng Boff..
-Terran to get a tactical boost..

I have the quantum set in a two piece config curently..But for the beam got from the 3 pcs set I need to keep aux high which I am having trouble with..
But yeah coming to think of it the Romulan shield are pretty crappy..The engine gove a +30 for tactical..

Will run a few configs and see what works..

questerius · March 2018

Can't say i have ever bothered with TSS2 or any of the target subsystem powers. In PVE the NPC usually have stellar subsystem repair and in PVP people tend to have immunity to subsystem disable.

Then again millage may vary and perhaps others have good results with it. What is everyone else his/her experience with them?

questerius · March 2018

@salvation4
One more thing, are you aiming to be an offensive build ("mere" DPS) or a tank (Drawing Aggro through build and DPS to cover others within the team).
If it is the latter, perhaps you should give some thought to using bio molecular or phased bio matter weapons. Both sacrifice a mod for a DOT effect. This DOT effect is incredibly useful in keeping aggro.

salvation4 · March 2018

coldnapalm wrote: »

If you want the KCB for the set bonus, why are you sticking that in the front instead of one of the phaser array from the back? Becaue of how most people pilot and how you approach a target front facing before going in circles for your broadsiding, it's better to have all omni weapons in the back vs the front.

Otherwise, seriousdave has some solid advice.

Thanks coldpalm..Noted..I will swap the weapons around and have a test run..
The reason I was planning a set up like that was because in the fore and aft arcs I would have had 5 beams going of at once..5 fore, 5 aft, 7 broadside (considering the 250 arc of the arrays) coupled with BFAW3..If I put the omnis all aft it will be 6 Fore, 7 Broadside and 4 aft, which would required extra guard at the aft quater..As I said I will swap around the beams and see what deals a punch..

questerius wrote: »

@salvation4
One more thing, are you aiming to be an offensive build ("mere" DPS) or a tank (Drawing Aggro through build and DPS to cover others within the team).
If it is the latter, perhaps you should give some thought to using bio molecular or phased bio matter weapons. Both sacrifice a mod for a DOT effect. This DOT effect is incredibly useful in keeping aggro.

A hybrid like I said..Eng + Tact with a slight edge on DPS..Will look at the Bio sets..Thanks..
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Also curious about the modifiers I have on..Are they ok for the beams? or should I re-engineer for a balanced CrtD/DMG?

Another thing I noticed is that the omnis as far As I remember were significantly lower in DMG/DPS Vs arrays..But when I look at my omnis there is only a 15 DPS diffrential outside ESD..Am I missing something here??

-Also last night I got the terran rep photon torpedo to swap with the quantum..What do you guys think of that? Good/Bad..
-Nakura set am having a look at but will be a while till I get the deflector and shields as suggested by seriousdave..
-Terran has the core nearly complete..
-Iconian set has the shield and engines remaining..
-Gonna ditch the romulan shields and possibily the engines (Iffy on the engines)..

I have concerns over the Quantum phase 3 pcs bonus ability..The Phas beam needs EPG to hold and I have none in that quater because heavily invested into Engineering and tac with basically the shield and long range targeting abilities in the sci tree..So the phase beam wouldnt be an good to me..Am I seeing this correct? Also I am running AUX2BAT with 3 Technicians in the DoFF Spcae active..

seriousdave · March 2018

questerius wrote: »

Can't say i have ever bothered with TSS2 or any of the target subsystem powers. In PVE the NPC usually have stellar subsystem repair and in PVP people tend to have immunity to subsystem disable.

Then again millage may vary and perhaps others have good results with it. What is everyone else his/her experience with them?

The built in version on sci ships is pretty good on drain builds, outside of that I wouldn't waste a tac slot for it.

salvation4 wrote: »

Thanks coldpalm..Noted..I will swap the weapons around and have a test run..
The reason I was planning a set up like that was because in the fore and aft arcs I would have had 5 beams going of at once..5 fore, 5 aft, 7 broadside (considering the 250 arc of the arrays) coupled with BFAW3..If I put the omnis all aft it will be 6 Fore, 7 Broadside and 4 aft, which would required extra guard at the aft quater..As I said I will swap around the beams and see what deals a punch..

There really isn't much of a reason to care for your aft. The new enemies from the new episode are pretty much the first and only ones to actually go for a specific side and everything else can be outmaneuvered by even the slowest whales. Focus on your front and sides to max your DPS.

salvation4 wrote: »

Also curious about the modifiers I have on..Are they ok for the beams? or should I re-engineer for a balanced CrtD/DMG?

Any mix of those mods is fine unless you wan to fully min/max. Your mods are already way above avarage so no worries there.

salvation4 wrote: »

-Also last night I got the terran rep photon torpedo to swap with the quantum..What do you guys think of that? Good/Bad..
-Nakura set am having a look at but will be a while till I get the deflector and shields as suggested by seriousdave..
-Terran has the core nearly complete..
-Iconian set has the shield and engines remaining..
-Gonna ditch the romulan shields and possibily the engines (Iffy on the engines)..

I have concerns over the Quantum phase 3 pcs bonus ability..The Phas beam needs EPG to hold and I have none in that quater because heavily invested into Engineering and tac with basically the shield and long range targeting abilities in the sci tree..So the phase beam wouldnt be an good to me..Am I seeing this correct? Also I am running AUX2BAT with 3 Technicians in the DoFF Spcae active..

Never touched the terran torp, looks good but depends on how often you actually get to fire it. Escorts & stuff would get better results with it but since the sovy isn't that bad to fly it might be worth a shot. Though if you're just about firing a torp once in a while for bursts you might wanna look at the Neutronic torp from the delta rep for it's raw damage.

As for the rom engines, that +Starship Weapon Amplification is a very useful bonus to have. Better be 100% sure about it's replacement because otherwise it's just wasted ressources and potential.

Now the QDB, if you've got zero EPG and your aux hits rock bottom constantly then it might just not be for you. I usually fly rather mixed types and it works just fine but I doubt that +phaser alone can support it properly.
If you are going for another torp I'd say to only keep the quantum phase console and go for a regular phaser beam with good mods too. It's a superb freebie but without the set and zero drain support it's just not as good as a normal phaser with CrtD & DMG mods.

salvation4 · March 2018

seriousdave wrote: »

questerius wrote: »

Can't say i have ever bothered with TSS2 or any of the target subsystem powers. In PVE the NPC usually have stellar subsystem repair and in PVP people tend to have immunity to subsystem disable.

Then again millage may vary and perhaps others have good results with it. What is everyone else his/her experience with them?

The built in version on sci ships is pretty good on drain builds, outside of that I wouldn't waste a tac slot for it.

Point taken so will go with your suggestion in your first comment for tac slotting..

salvation4 wrote: »

Thanks coldpalm..Noted..I will swap the weapons around and have a test run..
The reason I was planning a set up like that was because in the fore and aft arcs I would have had 5 beams going of at once..5 fore, 5 aft, 7 broadside (considering the 250 arc of the arrays) coupled with BFAW3..If I put the omnis all aft it will be 6 Fore, 7 Broadside and 4 aft, which would required extra guard at the aft quater..As I said I will swap around the beams and see what deals a punch..

There really isn't much of a reason to care for your aft. The new enemies from the new episode are pretty much the first and only ones to actually go for a specific side and everything else can be outmaneuvered by even the slowest whales. Focus on your front and sides to max your DPS.

Will do this as stated earlier..

salvation4 wrote: »

Also curious about the modifiers I have on..Are they ok for the beams? or should I re-engineer for a balanced CrtD/DMG?

Any mix of those mods is fine unless you wan to fully min/max. Your mods are already way above avarage so no worries there.

Yeah and I have to upgrade them all to epic still..So the added mod will also pop in post reaching epic..

salvation4 wrote: »

-Also last night I got the terran rep photon torpedo to swap with the quantum..What do you guys think of that? Good/Bad..
-Nakura set am having a look at but will be a while till I get the deflector and shields as suggested by seriousdave..
-Terran has the core nearly complete..
-Iconian set has the shield and engines remaining..
-Gonna ditch the romulan shields and possibily the engines (Iffy on the engines)..

I have concerns over the Quantum phase 3 pcs bonus ability..The Phas beam needs EPG to hold and I have none in that quater because heavily invested into Engineering and tac with basically the shield and long range targeting abilities in the sci tree..So the phase beam wouldnt be an good to me..Am I seeing this correct? Also I am running AUX2BAT with 3 Technicians in the DoFF Spcae active..

Never touched the terran torp, looks good but depends on how often you actually get to fire it. Escorts & stuff would get better results with it but since the sovy isn't that bad to fly it might be worth a shot. Though if you're just about firing a torp once in a while for bursts you might wanna look at the Neutronic torp from the delta rep for it's raw damage.

As for the rom engines, that +Starship Weapon Amplification is a very useful bonus to have. Better be 100% sure about it's replacement because otherwise it's just wasted ressources and potential.

Now the QDB, if you've got zero EPG and your aux hits rock bottom constantly then it might just not be for you. I usually fly rather mixed types and it works just fine but I doubt that +phaser alone can support it properly.
If you are going for another torp I'd say to only keep the quantum phase console and go for a regular phaser beam with good mods too. It's a superb freebie but without the set and zero drain support it's just not as good as a normal phaser with CrtD & DMG mods.

The 200% max damage of the terran torp is what got my attention also I will give the Neutronic Torp another shot..I have the torp and the bio nureal circut..Also I am gonna ditch the Rom shields and keep engines for that +30 weapon amplification..I have about 30 EPG from consoles and thats about it and Aux hit rock bottom cosistently so its a no go with the QDB..But I did notice the quantum phase torp Procing quite regularly at high yield in ISA..

Thanks for the input!!!!

salvation4 · March 2018

Interesting..Views on the terran torp..Seeing the quantum phase torp proc like hell in HY mode..So maybe its a runner up to go aalong with the neutronic to be upgraded to EPIC..And ditch photons completely along with plasma..

salvation4 · March 2018

Was looking at the siphon ability of the Bajoran 4 piece set and the boost to the beams and was wondering what if I ditched the Plasmonic Leech conolse? also I am trying out the Xenotech console from K-13 where you have ResALL and Pen..

Opinions please..Also note am running A2B with 3 techs and a warp core engineer ..

vetteguy904 · March 2018

don't disregard the biomolecular torpedo and the console from that set. it's 5% to phasers

salvation4 · March 2018

At current power levels without any buffs and set to attack on the tray these are my stats.

125 = Weapons
57 = Shields
49 = Engines
74 = Aux
Power Transfer = 276.67%

Activating EPS transfer 3 (2min CD) 30sec active/Red matter Capacitor (3min CD) 30sec active..

150 = Weapons (Same with red matter capacitor, 3min CD)
83 = Shields / = 110 (With red matter capacitor, 3min CD)
74 = Engines / = 99 (With red matter capacitor, 3min CD)
99 = AUX / = 124 (With red matter capacitor, 3min CD)
Power transfer rate / = 526.67%

Activating OSS 2 (2min CD)

161 = Weapons
91 = Shields
85 = Engines
106 = Aux

For weapons with weapon system efficency and nanodian Inversion 3 (3min CD, active for 30sec) active,
weapon power consumption = 3.4

salvation4 · March 2018

coldnapalm wrote: »

salvation4 wrote: »

Was looking at the siphon ability of the Bajoran 4 piece set and the boost to the beams and was wondering what if I ditched the Plasmonic Leech conolse? also I am trying out the Xenotech console from K-13 where you have ResALL and Pen..

Opinions please..Also note am running A2B with 3 techs and a warp core engineer ..

So...about the bajorian set...it looks good on paper. Here is the thing however...you will need to keep targets within 5 km. Because the buffs lasts for only 3 seconds, the moment you are out of 5k of all enemies...you get zip. Also with the 4 piece, you get that damn boosted mobility...which randomly makes you ship act all funny off and on as you move between less than 5km and more than. I found that attempts to keep thinks within range was an issue. If your piloting skill is better than mine...it's worth a shot. But I swapped out of them. Too much of a hassle to use. Brain processing better used for other things.

Also if you are using a2b for power management and cooldown management, you really should run 2 of them to global everything. You may also want to work in some sci with energy siphon if you want to try and keep your aux high during those A2B usages. So if you used that intel uni for sci boff, you can do OSS1, OSS2 and ES2 (or OSS1, ES 1, OSS3 if you want more bursty power goodness) Between those, EPtX and A2B, you should be swimming in power levels. As for why dual OSS when you have A2B? Because OSS has a wierd cooldown mechanic. If you have just one, you activate it. It stays powered up for 20 seconds. Than it will go into it's 1 min cooldown, global of 45 seconds. So if you have just one active, you stay powered up for 20 seconds and need 45 second of global before you can use it again. If you have two however, the second one tiggers the global and counts down as the first one powers up for 20 seconds. That means you can hit the second one 25 seconds after the first one wears out instead of the full 45 seconds. So with two copies, that means near 50% uptime of having more than max powers to EVERYTHING...which is a lot of fun.

NICE sum up of OSS..Yeah its a bloody damn wierd cD..I noticed post activation its 20sec till something is kicked offline then 1min for CD..

salvation4 · March 2018

Will be updating the modification to the build soon..Got some interesting results..

In short ditched some rep gear for fleet gear..Weapons have been swapped..Traits have been changed around for Cat 2 bonuses..

dracounguis · March 2018

coldnapalm wrote: »

Also with the 4 piece, you get that damn boosted mobility...which randomly makes you ship act all funny off and on as you move between less than 5km and more than. I found that attempts to keep thinks within range was an issue. If your piloting skill is better than mine...it's worth a shot. But I swapped out of them. Too much of a hassle to use. Brain processing better used for other things.

If you DO like a speed boost on your cruiser, the Competitive rep impulse engines give you a speed and turn boost of 350% for 5 secs when you use a tac or a healing or a control ability; depending on what version you get. I use the healing one on my fat whale cruisers. I can pop an Aux2structure and get my fore arc on stuff easy. And since you control when it procs, no more random speed bursts.

salvation4 · April 2018

Just an update after a while I got the two pcs UNDINE (Console from rep and console from Surface Tension) so a 13.1% increase in phaser damage from the Surface tension console plus the 2 set bonus of an additional 7.5% phaser damage giving a total of 20.6% phaser damage..CONSOLES NOT UPGRADED TO MKIV yet..

Also got the Xenotech drift module for 28.3% turn rate and 31.9 armor pen..And the Xenotech Resilience module for the 14.8 resist and 31.9 armor pen..

At stationary,
Inertia = 40
Speed = 44.3
Turn rate = 5.9 deg/sec

Armor Pen = 164

DBB's MK IV UR= 1089.7DPS
Array's MKIV UR= 838.2 DPS

Anything worth wild for shield Pen?!

salvation4 · May 2018

Major update to this coming soon..

Help With Building a Hybrid ENG + TAC cruiser.

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