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  • fovrelfovrel Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    One should think, since many KDF players roll an female Orion, a t6 orion ship would sell well. However a t6 Vor'cha is higher on the list. I would be very interested in an orion ship though. The Gorn multi mission vessels are great. The t6 Garumba looks almost the same as the t5. I have the t5 and do not use it at all. So the t6 version ... not my ship.

    BTW, does the syndicate still has shipyards and do they build ships? The Vorgon ships are great for my orion characters. Curvy, rounded, together with the Ferasan ships, they come the closest to Orion vessels. And, Orions are raiders, freebooters, they fly exotic ships.
  • brian334brian334 Member Posts: 2,214 Arc User
    I liked how in Starfleet Battles, Orion ships were built with parts from other ships. It would be difficult to do in STO, but wouldn't it be cool if non-KDF Orion ships were all kitbashes? Include the 'canon' models too, but open up the editor to allow all races' ship parts be used.
  • kiralynkiralyn Member Posts: 1,576 Arc User
    Weren't all the recent "alien" ships tied to a cross-faction release with a Fed ship they wanted out? Gorn ships = vestas, Nausican = yamato, etc. So what Fed T6 ship could fit having an Orion ship as it's KDF equivalent? Cause that's likely the only way we'll see one...
  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,248 Arc User
    fovrel wrote: »
    One should think, since many KDF players roll an female Orion, a t6 orion ship would sell well. However a t6 Vor'cha is higher on the list. I would be very interested in an orion ship though. The Gorn multi mission vessels are great. The t6 Garumba looks almost the same as the t5. I have the t5 and do not use it at all. So the t6 version ... not my ship.

    BTW, does the syndicate still has shipyards and do they build ships? The Vorgon ships are great for my orion characters. Curvy, rounded, together with the Ferasan ships, they come the closest to Orion vessels. And, Orions are raiders, freebooters, they fly exotic ships.

    hmm I wonder how many KDF players actually play orion fems or is it like sindorei females in World of Warcraft where all stereotypes will have players picking up those and using the skimpiest outfit possible but the truth is the permavirgins looking for poor man's TRIBBLE make up a minority of the playerbase.

    Since to me orion female don't seem to make up the majority KDF player chars or even that big of a minority, I'm not saying they're rare but rather they're not as popular as people seem to think they are.

    FYI:My KDF engineer(I got 2 engineers) is an orion female with lore accurate outfit options but also clothing options that leave little skin exposed since she's an engineer and scars from acid/radiation burns are rarely all that sexy looking.
  • antiquesroadshowantiquesroadshow Member Posts: 227 Arc User
    edited July 2017
    To all the people making "pro hanger" arguments. Since when have you ever seen pirates and smugglers driving around on an aircraft carrier? Criminals don't use vehicles that are slow. They use fast cars. Pirates don't use slow boats. They use fast ones. I can see a fast light cruiser type, or a raider type ship. Anything else doesn't make sense.
  • kiralynkiralyn Member Posts: 1,576 Arc User
    To all the people making "pro hanger" arguments. Since when have you ever seen pirates and smugglers driving around on an aircraft carrier? Criminals don't use vehicles that are slow. They use fast cars. Pirates don't use slow boats. They use fast ones. I can see a fast light cruiser type, or a raider type ship. Anything else doesn't make sense.

    The orion pirate/raider ships already had hangers - for boarding parties/slavers/etc. That's very space-piratey. :) Additionally, the whole "mother ship that can launch small & fast ships"/mobile base fits the pirate theme.


    (and just because something can launch a bunch of fighters/boarding pods/shuttles, doesn't make it a "aircraft carrier" in the real navy sense. STO certainly doesn't seem to consider 1-bay ships to be aircraft-carrier-equivalents... there's cruisers, heavy escorts, dreadnoughts, etc. The true "aircraft carriers" have 2 bays and frequently can launch frigates.)
  • brian334brian334 Member Posts: 2,214 Arc User
    The question should be "What role in the KDF lineup would a new Orion ship play?"

    Although I agree that more is better for the KDF, a new ship needs to fill a new role. As much as I'd like an Orion Scout type, science vessel, raider, or hybrid sci/raider, there are already two raiders and three science vessel options at T6. There are also six raptors, thirteen battlecruisers, and two destroyers.

    What is lacking is ships with hangars. At T6 there is one Flight Deck Raptor with one hangar and one Battlecruiser with two hangars. My vote for an Orion ship would have to be for a Flight Deck Cruiser with 2 hangars. Make it a Marauder retrofit if you like.

    What is really needed for the Klingon faction ship lineup is a dedicated carrier. I'd do a 3-deck Fek'lhr inspired design with new demon-fighters. But that's not an Orion ship.
  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    To all the people making "pro hanger" arguments. Since when have you ever seen pirates and smugglers driving around on an aircraft carrier? Criminals don't use vehicles that are slow. They use fast cars. Pirates don't use slow boats. They use fast ones. I can see a fast light cruiser type, or a raider type ship. Anything else doesn't make sense.

    Since when have you seen a playable Orion ship without a hangar?
  • thetaninethetanine Member Posts: 1,367 Arc User
    Will Cryptic ever release another Orion ship? They have all the other KDF races. I want one so bad. But please. Don't make it another hanger ship.

    They may need a bit more info to go on. You're going to have to be more specific in your wants because you'll never get close to your desires if you don't become more specific. And the right thread too, is important. I think there's a subforum just for this sort of thing.
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  • antiquesroadshowantiquesroadshow Member Posts: 227 Arc User
    jexsamx wrote: »
    To all the people making "pro hanger" arguments. Since when have you ever seen pirates and smugglers driving around on an aircraft carrier? Criminals don't use vehicles that are slow. They use fast cars. Pirates don't use slow boats. They use fast ones. I can see a fast light cruiser type, or a raider type ship. Anything else doesn't make sense.

    Since when have you seen a playable Orion ship without a hangar?

    And there should never have been one. At the time, there hardly were no carriers in the game. Actually. Only the KDF were suppose to be able to have them. A perk for playing KDF. Now, times have changed. We have so many hanger ships now. More than enough. We need to move on to different types of ships with different things that make them unique. Lore wise. Cannon wise. Common sense wise. Pirates and smugglers do not use Aircraft carriers. In the Star Trek verse, or real life. Orions don't need them to be cool.
  • brian334brian334 Member Posts: 2,214 Arc User
    jexsamx wrote: »
    To all the people making "pro hanger" arguments. Since when have you ever seen pirates and smugglers driving around on an aircraft carrier? Criminals don't use vehicles that are slow. They use fast cars. Pirates don't use slow boats. They use fast ones. I can see a fast light cruiser type, or a raider type ship. Anything else doesn't make sense.

    Since when have you seen a playable Orion ship without a hangar?

    And there should never have been one. At the time, there hardly were no carriers in the game. Actually. Only the KDF were suppose to be able to have them. A perk for playing KDF. Now, times have changed. We have so many hanger ships now. More than enough. We need to move on to different types of ships with different things that make them unique. Lore wise. Cannon wise. Common sense wise. Pirates and smugglers do not use Aircraft carriers. In the Star Trek verse, or real life. Orions don't need them to be cool.

    Why would they not use carriers?

    Pirates would require small, powerful vessels to capture fleeing prize ships, but then what? Where do they store the valuable cargo and slaves? And what do they do with the most valuable acquisition of the lot, the ship? Chances are good its propulsion and/or command system is badly damaged and would take a long time to repair. Meanwhile, pirates who hang around at the attack site are likely to be caught by patrol or rescue vessels.

    They need something big to move the merchandise, house boarding and prize crews, rearm, refuel, and maintain the attack vessels. They need a mobile starbase. A carrier is perfect for such a job.

    The reason pirates in our world don't use carriers is because in the 'golden age of piracy' there were no flying craft. Had we not advanced so quickly in the 20th century, remaining in the bi-plane and airship era for that time, you can bet modern pirates would not only use carriers, but derigibles and biplanes as well. They are relatively cheap, easy to maintain and operate, and incredibly obsolete. A steampunk pirate would almost certainly fly a derigible with carried small craft, both flying and floating.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    Their ships are not green. Don't start with that again!!
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  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,723 Arc User
    kiralyn wrote: »
    Weren't all the recent "alien" ships tied to a cross-faction release with a Fed ship they wanted out? Gorn ships = vestas, Nausican = yamato, etc. So what Fed T6 ship could fit having an Orion ship as it's KDF equivalent? Cause that's likely the only way we'll see one...

    The Vulcan Suurok class, or "future cruiser". The latter is classified as a "dorsal carrier"(meaning the flight deck is on the top - similar to the Bastion), so it could easily be interpreted as a flight deck cruiser.

    No idea on what to do for a Romulan Counterpart though.. maybe a Yridian battle-barge(missile themed pets)?
  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,248 Arc User
    brian334 wrote: »
    jexsamx wrote: »
    To all the people making "pro hanger" arguments. Since when have you ever seen pirates and smugglers driving around on an aircraft carrier? Criminals don't use vehicles that are slow. They use fast cars. Pirates don't use slow boats. They use fast ones. I can see a fast light cruiser type, or a raider type ship. Anything else doesn't make sense.

    Since when have you seen a playable Orion ship without a hangar?

    And there should never have been one. At the time, there hardly were no carriers in the game. Actually. Only the KDF were suppose to be able to have them. A perk for playing KDF. Now, times have changed. We have so many hanger ships now. More than enough. We need to move on to different types of ships with different things that make them unique. Lore wise. Cannon wise. Common sense wise. Pirates and smugglers do not use Aircraft carriers. In the Star Trek verse, or real life. Orions don't need them to be cool.

    Why would they not use carriers?

    Pirates would require small, powerful vessels to capture fleeing prize ships, but then what? Where do they store the valuable cargo and slaves? And what do they do with the most valuable acquisition of the lot, the ship? Chances are good its propulsion and/or command system is badly damaged and would take a long time to repair. Meanwhile, pirates who hang around at the attack site are likely to be caught by patrol or rescue vessels.

    They need something big to move the merchandise, house boarding and prize crews, rearm, refuel, and maintain the attack vessels. They need a mobile starbase. A carrier is perfect for such a job.

    The reason pirates in our world don't use carriers is because in the 'golden age of piracy' there were no flying craft. Had we not advanced so quickly in the 20th century, remaining in the bi-plane and airship era for that time, you can bet modern pirates would not only use carriers, but derigibles and biplanes as well. They are relatively cheap, easy to maintain and operate, and incredibly obsolete. A steampunk pirate would almost certainly fly a derigible with carried small craft, both flying and floating.
    It should be also noted that orion ships with hangars are less equilevant of aircraft carriers and more equilevant of large(ish) q-ships that are capable launch small and fast powerboats. All orion theme hangar items I know of are shuttles or larger (marauding party and orion slaver) aka equilevant of (small) boats.

    We got to remember that seperation between "aircraft" and "ship/boat" doesn't exist when talking about spacecraft as they all can move in 3D. a shuttle is both the equilevant to large(ish) aircraft and a small boat, a full capital scale starship is equilevant of a huge aircraft or a large ship.
  • antiquesroadshowantiquesroadshow Member Posts: 227 Arc User
    I just wonder how many ships with hangers on them are to be released, before people get tired of them? Hangers require mico-management. That is a draw back to a lot of players. There already are more hanger ships, than there have ever been in anything Star Trek omg.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    Nah, you don't NEED to micro manage. You can just launch and forget about them.
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  • brian334brian334 Member Posts: 2,214 Arc User
    I just wonder how many ships with hangers on them are to be released, before people get tired of them? Hangers require mico-management. That is a draw back to a lot of players. There already are more hanger ships, than there have ever been in anything Star Trek omg.

    Exactly how many T6 hangar ships are available to KDF players? How many to Romulans? Feds?

    Almost all of the T6 hangar ships are cross faction. What this thread is about is putting some more Orion flavor in the watered down Kool Aid Crypitic has been serving.
  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,248 Arc User
    Nah, you don't NEED to micro manage. You can just launch and forget about them.
    you used to have micromanage them since hangar pets died if you looked at them meanly, but that hasn't been true for quite a while. It used to take quite a lot of micro management to get even a few 2-star pets, now launch and forget my hangar pets and have most of them be 3-stars or over easily.

    If clicking the "launch fighter" button occationally and it's not really that often unless you send them against groups of enemies solo, is too much micro management then I suspect that any ship in STO has too much Micro management. Key is to not play carriers like modern day carriers (aka stay as far away from the battle as possible) but rather play carriers like cruisers that have additional ability to launch fighters.
  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,867 Arc User
    edited July 2017
    bjornfried wrote: »
    jexsamx wrote: »
    We got a Gorn trifecta of Science ships and a Ferasan escort.

    Before those, I would have expressed great doubt. But now, while I wouldn't go so far as to say it's guaranteed or even likely, I would say that it's a real possibility.

    But I have to say, I strongly disagree with not making it a hangar ship. I really really want another Orion FDC and anything else would be a very bad idea. It's been an integral part of every Orion ship so far, removing that would be a dumb thing.

    I have 2 Orion Ships in fact. Sooo Yes they did.

    They mean "at T6," the answer to that is probably "when they get around it." Ship releases work on a schedule and how that's structured is an optimization problem. What ships would be best to release given all the other things happening with the game? (ex. prior ship releases, gameplay system updates)

    A T6 Orion ship undoubtably falls between a set of factors but exactly what those are and when that will come about is entirely unknown to us (and Cryptic isn't about to start talking about upcoming content far in advance.) So (to the OP), sit tight and keep expressing interest in whatever ships you want to see made T6 (that's feedback). :)

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  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    I just wonder how many ships with hangers on them are to be released, before people get tired of them? Hangers require mico-management. That is a draw back to a lot of players. There already are more hanger ships, than there have ever been in anything Star Trek omg.

    If it makes you feel any better, Orion ships are the only theoretical upcoming ships I want to have hangars. I'd really rather they not be oversaturated and it's already dangerously close to that.

    The only reasons I'm fighting you tooth and nail on Orion FDC's are because; I want them to be consistent internally; and because my Orion has always captained an Orion FDC, and I don't want her in anything else.

    bjornfried wrote: »
    I have 2 Orion Ships in fact. Sooo Yes they did.
    We mean at T6, you big goof.
  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    Guess what!?

    It's a flight deck cruiser
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    not only that, but it's worthy to be called a warbarge!
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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,385 Arc User
    not only that, but it's worthy to be called a warbarge!
    It should even be hauled away AS warbarge!
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  • trennantrennan Member Posts: 2,839 Arc User
    They are releasing a T6 Orion Flight -Deck Cruiser. It's called the Blackguard.

    But I was rather hoping they'd finally buck up and make an Orion Science Vessel. Since when you get to looking in to the lore, or canon of it, Orions are one of the oldest space faring species. They have the Orion University and Explorer's School. The latter being dedicated to space exploration. Most of Starfleet's modern medicines were made using recipes found in Orion Ruins. They even have artifacts, like anti-grav chairs and tables, that are older than Starfleet.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    not only that, but it's worthy to be called a warbarge!
    It should even be hauled away AS warbarge!
    I'm pretty sure Warbarges are more likely to haul you away...
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