TRIBBLE MAINTENANCE AND RELEASE NOTES - MARCH 21, 2017

coldsnapped · March 2017

Tribble has been updated to: ST.75.20170306c.6

Systems:

The Plasmonic Leech now stacks up to 10 times
The Plasmonic Leech self-buff now stacks with the Power Conduit Link proc found on the M.A.C.O. Resilient Shield Array and Adapted K.H.G. Resilient Shield Array
The damage dealt by Plasma-Generating Weapon Signature Amplifiers and Plasma-Generating Weapon Signature Nullifiers has been increased significantly relative to their current state on Tribble
The healing proc found on Shield-Repairing and Hull-Repairing Weapon Signature Amplifiers and Nullifiers once again has a 2.5% chance to proc.
- They still do not have a lockout.
Resolved an issue that caused the [Inertia] modifier to not have any effect.
Resolved an issue that caused the [Over] modifier to have an excessive proc rate.
Resolved an issue where the Explosive Corruption and Ablative Corruption unlocks were giving the incorrect unlocks.
Resolved an issue that caused Plasmatic Biomatter and Phased Biomatter weaponry to not update the radius of their proc in the tooltips if it should change.
Resolved an issue that could cause the Plasma Feedback Cascade module to trigger multiple times.
The Defense Tab of the Ship Stats window now shows you your Radiation and Electrical Damage Resistance
The Auxiliary Power Configuration - Defense Reputation Trait now gives +All Resistance Rating instead of +Energy Resistance Rating and +Kinetic Resistance Rating.

legendarylycan · March 2017

coldsnapped wrote: »

The damage dealt by Plasma-Generating Weapon Signature Amplifiers and Plasma-Generating Weapon Signature Nullifiers has been increased significantly relative to their current state on Tribble

seriously, cryptic...as happy as i am to see this, would it KILL YOU to use proper numbers? you don't have to live up to your name ALL the time

chrisofborg · March 2017

Awesome! Can't wait to try these new changes out.

nikephorus · March 2017

coldsnapped wrote: »

Tribble has been updated to: ST.75.20170306c.6

Systems:
The damage dealt by Plasma-Generating Weapon Signature Amplifiers and Plasma-Generating Weapon Signature Nullifiers has been increased significantly relative to their current state on Tribble

What's significantly?

qjunior · March 2017

nikephorus wrote: »

coldsnapped wrote: »

Tribble has been updated to: ST.75.20170306c.6

Systems:
The damage dealt by Plasma-Generating Weapon Signature Amplifiers and Plasma-Generating Weapon Signature Nullifiers has been increased significantly relative to their current state on Tribble

What's significantly?

Well, with the accuracy penalty on B:FAW we learned that slightly means 50-30%. We can piece all of it together, I'm sure of it. Significantly probably means 400-500% !

bridgern · March 2017

Less than you want them to be and more than they want it to be, just kidding.

orondis · March 2017

qjunior wrote: »

nikephorus wrote: »

coldsnapped wrote: »

Tribble has been updated to: ST.75.20170306c.6

Systems:
The damage dealt by Plasma-Generating Weapon Signature Amplifiers and Plasma-Generating Weapon Signature Nullifiers has been increased significantly relative to their current state on Tribble

What's significantly?

Well, with the accuracy penalty on B:FAW we learned that slightly means 50-30%. We can piece all of it together, I'm sure of it. Significantly probably means 400-500% !

Given -30% ACC means nothing in PvE, that is a rather slight nerf.

tunebreaker · March 2017

Hopefully the buff to Plasma Exploders makes them worth using again, but in the same time not too OP. Thx

legendarylycan · March 2017

to hell with buffing the damage, though - i want the per-shot mechanic restored to them, because all-turret builds relied HEAVILY on that mechanic and the large amounts of damage exploders put out to get barely-competitive levels of DPS - between changing that and entropic rider from per-shot to per-volley and altering turret firing cycles, the ability of turret builds to be competitive has been utterly trashed

sovereign2727 · March 2017

1st is tribble, 2nd is holodeck, proc chance is much worse on tribble... so... still no.

nikephorus · March 2017

sovereign2727 wrote: »

1st is tribble, 2nd is holodeck, proc chance is much worse on tribble... so... still no.

Thanks.

kyle223cat · March 2017

I never thought I'd hear myself say "Buff the plasma explosion consoles because they're worse than the hull and shield variants." but that's kinda what it looks like now.

atlmykl · March 2017

I really hope they did not buff the plasma consoles much. I had high hopes we were going to see some diversity in some high end builds place of auto cramming the same old same old in every sci console slot. If it is a must have then it needs to be nerfed. BTW they are sci consoles. Their primary purpose should be science, which they are good at. Any damage they do should be incidental. These are the equivalent of a tac console creating a gw and tkr with every activation on top of the weapon damage and crit increases they currently have.

nikephorus · March 2017

atlmykl wrote: »

I really hope they did not buff the plasma consoles much. I had high hopes we were going to see some diversity in some high end builds place of auto cramming the same old same old in every sci console slot. If it is a must have then it needs to be nerfed. BTW they are sci consoles. Their primary purpose should be science, which they are good at. Any damage they do should be incidental. These are the equivalent of a tac console creating a gw and tkr with every activation on top of the weapon damage and crit increases they currently have.

I'm not against them nerfing the plasma consoles, but there is a happy medium between making them useless and promoting diversity. It would be nice if they could find that line rather then just nerf them into oblivion.

darkspeaker · March 2017

1) Have the Plasma Consoles no longer have shield penetration, so they have to deplete an opponents shields before dealing hull damage.
2) Keep a partial damage boost from what it now on Tribble but return it to a per shot cycle.
3) Skip all this and increase the base damage output on weapons for tactical captains so plasma explosions aren't needed at all to be competitive.

atlmykl · March 2017

double post

atlmykl · March 2017

nikephorus wrote: »

I'm not against them nerfing the plasma consoles, but there is a happy medium between making them useless and promoting diversity. It would be nice if they could find that line rather then just nerf them into oblivion.

A science console the gives +37.5 on a sci stat, mods threat + or - and even buffs certain types of exotic damage is not useless. To me it sounds like a very effective sci console. Buffing energy weapons should not be a sci consoles job, you dont sci then put in some universal consoles.

Builds become diverse.
Reduced dps will make stf runs last a bit longer.

I did a few dozen last week and I cannot remember a single detail from them because they are over so fast they barely register in memory. The tac and engy ships that use some universals will make runs more memorable too if you start seeing more things like singularity projectors or separations consoles.

Universal consoles could use a balance pass too. For every useful one there are 10 that could be good enough to slot but are just not there yet.

imperatorpaveli · March 2017

They need to fix sep consoles first.

nikephorus · March 2017

atlmykl wrote: »

Buffing energy weapons should not be a sci consoles job

So by that logic all science consoles that do anything other then buff science should all be nerfed?

halo111111 · March 2017

To quote your own words "Increase the fun – Games are about having fun, and players should not be made to feel that their fun is "wrong.”" In this quote you said our fun should not feel wrong but in reality you killed my build. I used a beam with crtdx4 for an overload and a massive single target hit and i used dual heavy cannons with that to tear the shields. well you killed in in the way it no longer always crts and nerfed the energy weapons so that each shot takes power instead of each cycle and in return i cant really use dual heavy cannons because it drains to much power. Thank you for taking away my fun and making me think that my fun is wrong really thank you. But here is what you could do instead of beam overload just buffing beam weapons make it to where it buffs cannons as well. and for power, decrease the amount of power cannons use so that they become more viable.

siliconpsycho · March 2017

coldsnapped wrote: »

[*] Resolved an issue that caused the [Over] modifier to have an excessive proc rate.

How was this "excessive proc rate" calculated - was the intention to remove the [over] madness when a BFAW cycle ends using [over] beams, or an overall proc rate reduction - because on holodeck I'm seeing the expected proc rate on the modifier when used normally, its only at the end of a BFAW cycle it goes mad

siliconpsycho · March 2017

atlmykl wrote: »

I really hope they did not buff the plasma consoles much. I had high hopes we were going to see some diversity in some high end builds place of auto cramming the same old same old in every sci console slot. If it is a must have then it needs to be nerfed. BTW they are sci consoles. Their primary purpose should be science, which they are good at. Any damage they do should be incidental. These are the equivalent of a tac console creating a gw and tkr with every activation on top of the weapon damage and crit increases they currently have.

So much this. I was really liking the direction the rebalance was going by fixing an obnoxiously potent mechanic from a state of "use only this" to "other options now available". The sheer amount of outcry over these consoles is evidence that they were the focus of too many builds obtaining almost mythical status. No single item should be that "must-have" for literally almost any build.

Please cryptic, don't bow to forum pressure and "increase" them any more - there are many players who are seriously excited about the diversity that will now be seen.

nikephorus · March 2017

halo111111 wrote: »

To quote your own words "Increase the fun – Games are about having fun, and players should not be made to feel that their fun is "wrong.”" In this quote you said our fun should not feel wrong but in reality you killed my build.

What they meant to say is that your fun is wrong and the current meta being used by a lot of the dpsers is wrong. Destroying this meta will increase the fun.

eldritchx · March 2017

atlmykl wrote: »

nikephorus wrote: »

I'm not against them nerfing the plasma consoles, but there is a happy medium between making them useless and promoting diversity. It would be nice if they could find that line rather then just nerf them into oblivion.

A science console the gives +37.5 on a sci stat, mods threat + or - and even buffs certain types of exotic damage is not useless. To me it sounds like a very effective sci console. Buffing energy weapons should not be a sci consoles job, you dont sci then put in some universal consoles.

Builds become diverse.
Reduced dps will make stf runs last a bit longer.

I did a few dozen last week and I cannot remember a single detail from them because they are over so fast they barely register in memory. The tac and engy ships that use some universals will make runs more memorable too if you start seeing more things like singularity projectors or separations consoles.

Universal consoles could use a balance pass too. For every useful one there are 10 that could be good enough to slot but are just not there yet.

I'll mention a single example another poster described: because of the changes to embassy plasma and cannon firing cycles, turret builds are no longer reasonably viable. At the same time, gimmick consoles will still not be meta because there are _many_ other DPS-oriented replacements for embassy plasma. What then is more important for diversity: having more viable builds that play differently and have strengths in different areas, or the ability to equip more different consoles in just one or two top builds that ultimately play exactly the same regardless of what consoles are slotted?

To be fair, the plasma changes did make more ships viable, since it reduced the importance of science console slots. But if these other ships end up being built the same way to play the same way, is that diversity really significant?

ekypyros · March 2017

Hello ,
first i make Much Pvp and i use Spiral Wave Disruptor Beams but the proc to disable one Subsystem
never hit (Maby all 500 hits One Time)
i have 4 of it

But the Resistance Debuff procs nearly 100%

i hope the disable proc going to be fixed

Greets
Ekypyros

darkbladejk · March 2017

coldnapalm wrote: »

I wish the plasma exploders were changed to proc per shot instead of per cycle and adjust the damage. accordingly.

Them being changed to per shot was one of the main reasons they were OP to begin with. Prior to the Tribble change they had a chance to proc the shield bypassing damage every single shot for massive damage. They're far more balanced now than they ever were previously.

coldnapalm wrote: »

you know, buying stuff on the exchange on holodeck and then porting the toon to test new stuff is kinda getting annoying as I have to reset EVERYTHING. Is there a way to port with the setting?!? Also kinda expensive...but that is the price of trying new things .

that's one of my main gripes as well is i wish it would import our bar setups and loadouts.

ekypyros wrote: »

Hello ,
first i make Much Pvp and i use Spiral Wave Disruptor Beams but the proc to disable one Subsystem
never hit (Maby all 500 hits One Time)
i have 4 of it

But the Resistance Debuff procs nearly 100%

i hope the disable proc going to be fixed

Greets
Ekypyros

Can you provide some combat logs or something demonstrating what you're seeing. I have access to Spiral Waves myself and will try to test this as well, but just curious as to what kind of evidence you already have to add together. Also nice picture of an El-Manouk alien XD

ekypyros · March 2017

@darkbladejk
In Combatlog dont show up disables or Res debuff
But i have much testet in PVP 1vs1

Res Debuff Evertime ! But no Disable !
if you want i show it you in PvP 1vs1 thats the disable rate much lower(nearly 0) then Res Debuff

Edit*****
My evidency is my Play XP in kerrat Never see offline at the enemys ,onlyone where i have see going offline was at a borg cube but not to other Players
Ok I try when Fleet Members another test in 1vs1 , and save the Combatlog (to me "dont forget disable not rotate logs )

upload later a log

greets
Ekypyros

nikeix · March 2017

•Resolved an issue that caused Plasmatic Biomatter and Phased Biomatter weaponry to not update the radius of their proc in the tooltips if it should change.

THANK YOU SO MUCH!

(Possibly of note: I logged in to check this and the tool tips were still not displaying radius correctly, even after several map changes. Erased character and loaded in a fresh copy and the tool tips are now reporting a glorious 2.5km radius. Most excellent

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nikeix · March 2017

nikephorus wrote: »

I'm not against them nerfing the plasma consoles, but there is a happy medium between making them useless and promoting diversity. It would be nice if they could find that line rather then just nerf them into oblivion.

Totally agree with this sentiment. However that line might be considerably lower than what you're happy with. And probably should be low enough that the aggro manipulation is the main point and principle value of these consoles, not the damage proc. I'm happy to see less shield penetration almost anywhere in the game (its a mechanic that's run amok IMO). Whether the new damage is the right damage for the Dev's goals, I can't say. But if the damage is high enough its desirable/meta to stack them for damage rather than aggro manipulation, then it's probably too high. If they were unique, then I'm sure the damage could be much higher without setting off alarm bells.

TRIBBLE MAINTENANCE AND RELEASE NOTES - MARCH 21, 2017

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