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If new story factions were going to be created which race would you like to be able to play as? I would like to play a storyline as the borg.
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  • kal36kal36 Member Posts: 45 Arc User
    Ummmmmmm no...
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 10,716 Arc User
    Cardassians are expected to be the next playable microfaction and chances are it will be done in the style that the TOS Starfleet was done instead of the Romulans. So less than 10 unique Cardassian missions with a few C-Store ships, costumes, and special animations.

    We are more likely to get the Borg Cooperative microfaction or some other Liberated Borg microfaction and not the Borg microfaction due to there being no individuality in the Borg. Every Borg would look the same followed by there being no freedom doing what you want in a MMO.
  • asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,314 Arc User
    I agree it would most likely be the cardassians alongside alpha quad Jem'hadar and vorta. Which could either be done as a micro faction that you can maybe choose to ally with one of the three other faction, or like how the tos faction was done with them joining up with the fed. Though I could also just see the cardassians added as a race choice for all three factions, since in strength they are vastly weaker even then the Romulans are. Though i would not mind seeing something like that with delta quad too, where we play thru a few missions leading up to the delta quad missions, and then choosing which of the factions in the alliance we ally with specifically.
  • somtaawkharsomtaawkhar Member Posts: 5,767 Arc User
    asuran14 wrote: »
    I agree it would most likely be the cardassians alongside alpha quad Jem'hadar and vorta. Which could either be done as a micro faction that you can maybe choose to ally with one of the three other faction, or like how the tos faction was done with them joining up with the fed. Though I could also just see the cardassians added as a race choice for all three factions, since in strength they are vastly weaker even then the Romulans are. Though i would not mind seeing something like that with delta quad too, where we play thru a few missions leading up to the delta quad missions, and then choosing which of the factions in the alliance we ally with specifically.
    Alpha Quad Jem'Hadar wouldn't happen because they are all allied with the New Link, and the True Way. Likewise, there is only one vorta in the Alpha quadrant.

    It would just be cardassians.
  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,070 Arc User
    And sadly, it would probably be a neutered version of the Cardassians.
  • somtaawkharsomtaawkhar Member Posts: 5,767 Arc User
    And sadly, it would probably be a neutered version of the Cardassians.
    Not really.

    Unless you make the mistake of blanketing all Cardassians as the military zeatlos seen in DS9.
  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,348 Arc User
    I love both the Cardassians and the Borg Cooperative (ironically I dislike the Borg Collective because its such a anti transhumanist fear mongering vibe to it), so if done right, it would be awesome.

    I'm realistic enough to expect it to be no more then the Romulans at best.
  • asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,314 Arc User
    asuran14 wrote: »
    I agree it would most likely be the cardassians alongside alpha quad Jem'hadar and vorta. Which could either be done as a micro faction that you can maybe choose to ally with one of the three other faction, or like how the tos faction was done with them joining up with the fed. Though I could also just see the cardassians added as a race choice for all three factions, since in strength they are vastly weaker even then the Romulans are. Though i would not mind seeing something like that with delta quad too, where we play thru a few missions leading up to the delta quad missions, and then choosing which of the factions in the alliance we ally with specifically.
    Alpha Quad Jem'Hadar wouldn't happen because they are all allied with the New Link, and the True Way. Likewise, there is only one vorta in the Alpha quadrant.

    It would just be cardassians.

    As true as that is, there have been a lot of things that were said "wouldn't happen" before, but than thru the sheer fact of player desire for it actually happened even if not in the manner people originally wanted. I am sure if enouph players show interest in it they could come up with a storyline basis for it that would allow it in their eyes, most of all since the alpha variety of Jem'hadar are supposed to be more independent than the gamma variety, and i could see it as a c-store race buy even. Hell looking at the fact that you can make a joined trill captain, which are not exact massive in number, or Fed Klingons that is even rarer seen in the lore.
  • jslynjslyn Member Posts: 1,598 Arc User
    Cardassians would be the most likely choice.

    I would rather play as the Borg, though. Not the goodie-goodie ones, either. I wanna assimilate my Bridge Officers. I want to have a low mass vocal rumbling added all of my background sounds as the Collective speaks in my head. That would be fun.
  • shadowwraith#9264 shadowwraith Member Posts: 371 Arc User
    Cardassians, Romulan Star Empire, Breen, Mirror Universe factions.
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    • Mirak - FED 23c, Vulkan, LV60 - TAC
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    • Ne'roon - KDF,Lethian, L60, TAC
    • Turel - ROM-KDF, Reman, 30, TAC
    • Elric - ROM-Fed, Romulan, L60, TAC
    • Richtor Belmont - FED 23c, Human,LV20, SCI
    • G'Kar - KDF, Gorn, L10

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  • somtaawkharsomtaawkhar Member Posts: 5,767 Arc User
    Romulan Star Empire, Breen, Mirror Universe factions.
    None of these would happen given them being badguys.
  • asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,314 Arc User
    Mirror fed definitely not, but there is more in the Mirror universe than just the mirror empire/fed. So maybe one of them like the mirror Breen, or another normally evil faction of the prime universe that would be more reasonable as a ally, and with the first ten missions being in the Mirror universe with the faction seeking out a way of getting aid from the prime universe, and then using mirror empire tech to gain access. It is unlikely, but possible.
  • somtaawkharsomtaawkhar Member Posts: 5,767 Arc User
    asuran14 wrote: »
    Mirror fed definitely not, but there is more in the Mirror universe than just the mirror empire/fed. So maybe one of them like the mirror Breen, or another normally evil faction of the prime universe that would be more reasonable as a ally, and with the first ten missions being in the Mirror universe with the faction seeking out a way of getting aid from the prime universe, and then using mirror empire tech to gain access. It is unlikely, but possible.
    The problem is that, outside of humans being evil, the other races of the Mirror Universe appear to be exactly the same as in the Prime unvierse.

    Klingons are the same, Vulcans are the same, Cardassians are the same, Bajorans are the same, Ferengi are the same, and thus, the Breen and others would be the same.

    The only thing "mirrored" in the Mirror Universe is humanity, since Star Trek always had this not so subtle undertone that humanity was a "superior" race in the galaxy, hence us being behind the Federation and like 90% of its staff, and the Mirror Universe was originally created to show what would happen if humans used their unending superiority for evil instead of good.
  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,070 Arc User
    Not to mention where's the demand for (of all things) a Mirror Universe Breen faction?
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 10,716 Arc User
    Romulan Star Empire, Breen, Mirror Universe factions.
    None of these would happen given them being badguys.

    Exactly. If a faction can't become part of the Alpha Quadrant Alliance, then they won't become a playable faction.
  • somtaawkharsomtaawkhar Member Posts: 5,767 Arc User
    starkaos wrote: »
    Exactly. If a faction can't become part of the Alpha Quadrant Alliance, then they won't become a playable faction.
    starkaos wrote: »
    Exactly. If a faction can't become part of the Alpha Quadrant Alliance, then they won't become a playable faction.
    Outside of the Cardassians, the only "major" race of the Alpha/Beta Quadrants that is left to possibly join the AQA, or be made playable, are the Talarians.

    According to the Star Trek Star Charts, there are 13 "major" powers in the Alpha/Beta Quadrents, and out of those

    The AQA consists of
    1. The Federation
    2. The Klingon Empire
    3. The Romulan Republic(which has taken over as the Romulan State since the collapse of the Romulan Star Empire)
    4. The Cardassian Union
    5. The Ferengi Alliance
    6. The Gorn Hegemony
    7. The Ferasans(Aka the Kzinti Patriarchy)

    And while not full members of the AQA, we know that both
    8. The First Federation
    9. The Metron Consortium
    Remain friendly trading partners with the AQA races, though they are reclusive, and largely remain out of the everyday affairs of the other races

    Out of the remaining major powers, we have already fought, and are generally hostile to
    10. The Tholian Assembly
    11. The Breen Confederacy
    12. The Tzenkethi Coalition

    Leaving only
    13. The Talarian Republic
    To pick a side before all the 13 "major" races of the Alpha/Beta Quadrants have either joined the AQA, or are hostile too them.
  • patrickngopatrickngo Member Posts: 9,813 Arc User
    If new story factions were going to be created which race would you like to be able to play as? I would like to play a storyline as the borg.

    why would they add new factions when they can't even support the ones they already have?
    whatever.

  • somtaawkharsomtaawkhar Member Posts: 5,767 Arc User
    patrickngo wrote: »
    why would they add new factions when they can't even support the ones they already have?

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  • shadowwraith#9264 shadowwraith Member Posts: 371 Arc User
    Romulan Star Empire, Breen, Mirror Universe factions.
    None of these would happen given them being badguys.

    Playing a badguy or opposing faction wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.
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    • Mirak - FED 23c, Vulkan, LV60 - TAC
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    • Melchiah - KDF, Gorn, LV60 - TAC
    • Ne'roon - KDF,Lethian, L60, TAC
    • Turel - ROM-KDF, Reman, 30, TAC
    • Elric - ROM-Fed, Romulan, L60, TAC
    • Richtor Belmont - FED 23c, Human,LV20, SCI
    • G'Kar - KDF, Gorn, L10

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  • nimbullnimbull Member Posts: 1,470 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    Cryptic/PWE can barely handle the factions they do have for players. I seriously doubt they'd add more given their limited resources and how it's like pulling teeth to get them to support existing factions. Look how long it took to get proper science ships to the KDF and Romulan players. Romulan/Fed players were really screwed because they can't use Fed science ships after tier 4.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 33,587 Arc User
    The Founders are wise in all things, thus I'd go with Dominion. We haven't been at war with them since the Sisko kicked their butts.
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  • peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 4,976 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    New faction, whatever it would be, would mean 6 new missions and then you end up in ESD re-starting the Klingon war.

    Think I pass.
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  • somtaawkharsomtaawkhar Member Posts: 5,767 Arc User
    Playing a badguy or opposing faction wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

    Sure it would, because it would last for all of about 5 missions before the AQA forces beat you, then you do nothing ever again.

    Look at the Tal Shiar for an example.
  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,541 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    Romulan Star Empire, Breen, Mirror Universe factions.
    None of these would happen given them being badguys.

    Playing a badguy or opposing faction wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

    It is in STO. All story lines merge together into one multi-faction endgame+continuing story arc. A bad guy faction wouldn't be able to cooperate with the republic, serve with Starfleet/KDF officers through the Iconian war, participate with the joint assault on the Vaadwuar homeworld, join in any of the battlezones, ect., ect., ect. Opposing factions would be restricted (simply to be comprehensible) to their own set of content and there is no way that could be ever brought to parity with the Alliance, regardless of how much Cryptic invested in this new faction, because they would not be able to duplicate years of work before the lack of FED/KDF/ROM development ruins interest in the game.

    Simply starting as a badguy is another matter, but ultimately any new faction has to join in with the rest. It has to become a partner of the current factions. It can't be opposing.
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  • shadowfang240shadowfang240 Member Posts: 31,080 Arc User
    starkaos wrote: »
    Every Borg would look the same followed by there being no freedom doing what you want in a MMO.

    and that is different from the game as it currently is...how?​​
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  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,458 Arc User
    The playable Borg we have now are the only playable Borg we need.
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  • somtaawkharsomtaawkhar Member Posts: 5,767 Arc User
    IIRC Gecko said in the past that only
    -Cardassians
    -Ferengi
    -Jem'Hadar
    -Borg Cooperative
    Had the sort of fanbase needed to be considered making into a playable faction of some kind.
  • wakerobertswakeroberts Member Posts: 99 Arc User
    I second the point that Cardassians would be the next logical faction/microfaction to be added to STO.

    I would very much like to see Ferengi made playable as well. I hope that Ferenginar becomes a planet able to be visited, similar to New Romulus, regardless of whether or not there is ever a Ferengi faction.

    Additionally, in the past there has been the suggestion of a non-aligned/civilian faction. I support this idea and believe it could facilitate the introduction of diverse and interesting new content.
  • shadowfang240shadowfang240 Member Posts: 31,080 Arc User
    ferengi are already playable - just not as a faction​​
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  • somtaawkharsomtaawkhar Member Posts: 5,767 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    ferengi are already playable - just not as a faction​​
    ^This, which is why, IMO, they won't ever become their own faction.

    Same reason why Gorn would never get their own faction start. If it's already a playable race, that's an offical playable race and not just some alien gen hack, I doubt Cryptic would release a new faction for that race, in order to prevent players from feeling like their previous Ferengi/Gorn character is now somehow not "a real Gorn" character.
    I second the point that Cardassians would be the next logical faction/microfaction to be added to STO.

    I would very much like to see Ferengi made playable as well. I hope that Ferenginar becomes a planet able to be visited, similar to New Romulus, regardless of whether or not there is ever a Ferengi faction.

    Additionally, in the past there has been the suggestion of a non-aligned/civilian faction. I support this idea and believe it could facilitate the introduction of diverse and interesting new content.
    A non-aligned/civilian faction wouldn't make much sense as Trek has never had a multi-racial, politically neutral, group like that. Well, besides maybe the Orion Syndicate, which was largely run by non Orions by the time DS9 rolled around.

    Also, IIRC, there was plans at one point to have a featured series that went to Ferenginar, before the featured series episode envelopment style got axed in favor of featured episodes. We lost the Augment arc in that as well.
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