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nitefiuunitefiuu Member Posts: 253 Arc User
apart that the whole concept of "temporal" time traveling in player vs player scenarios is plain nonesense, these new powers way beyond broken

its only "popular" because its easily exploitable with very little effort and sume very sad person who got no better thing to do just troll all day around with its un-counterable stuff.

either fix/normalize these new power or just lock that out from pvp

and preferably the sooner the better pls, before we face another toy made for troll exploiters exclusively to ruin that part of the game
nitefiuu wrote: »
[Combat (Self)] "random_temporal_newfriend" deals 105161 (53306) Physical Damage(Critical) to you with Entropic Redistribution III.

and thats just one of the many complete BS atm

(it hits much more usually, btw)

(and it can be used way too often)

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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,511 Arc User
    But still allow the Annorax, Paradox, Vengeance, lock box traits, .... ?

    PUG PVP is broken and will stay that way.
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,309 Arc User
    They're just the flavor of the month. Truthfully balance was sketchy before LoR and completely lost afterwards.
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  • hanover2hanover2 Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    Ban ships he doesn't like. Hilarious. :lol:
  • nitefiuunitefiuu Member Posts: 253 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    [Combat (Self)] "random_temporal_newfriend" deals 105161 (53306) Physical Damage(Critical) to you with Entropic Redistribution III.

    and thats just one of the many complete BS atm

    (it hits much more usually, btw)

    (and it can be used way too often)
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  • cidjackcidjack Member Posts: 2,017 Arc User
    Wait, people play PVP? I thought was just a myth.
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  • kikskenkiksken Member Posts: 664 Arc User
    nitefiuu wrote: »
    [Combat (Self)] "random_temporal_newfriend" deals 105161 (53306) Physical Damage(Critical) to you with Entropic Redistribution III.

    and thats just one of the many complete BS atm

    (it hits much more usually, btw)

    (and it can be used way too often)
    This can be done with any ship.
    It's a matter of equipment, not a matter of ships.
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    They just get less sober.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,511 Arc User
    nitefiuu wrote: »
    [Combat (Self)] "random_temporal_newfriend" deals 105161 (53306) Physical Damage(Critical) to you with Entropic Redistribution III.

    and thats just one of the many complete BS atm

    (it hits much more usually, btw)

    (and it can be used way too often)

    So buy the ship. PUG PVP is the one part of STO that really is Pay2Win. You didn't pay.

  • nitefiuunitefiuu Member Posts: 253 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    nitefiuu wrote: »
    [Combat (Self)] "random_temporal_newfriend" deals 105161 (53306) Physical Damage(Critical) to you with Entropic Redistribution III.

    and thats just one of the many complete BS atm

    (it hits much more usually, btw)

    (and it can be used way too often)

    So buy the ship. PUG PVP is the one part of STO that really is Pay2Win. You didn't pay.

    so, by buying and using broken exploits will just how gonna improve pvp ?

    (protip: it's just kills it off)

    and fyi: i can get anything and tbh, i got everything this game has to offer, but i ignore bad addons like these

    i just wanna enjoy pvp becuase it has sum tense moments and all, unlike those boring pve with no challange and always the same, and a 2y old tuddler can handle
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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    There is no meaningful PVP in this game. Banning ships is pointless as those 3 ships barely scratch the surface of the iceberg that is unbalanced, rewardless, meaningless PVP.
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  • nitefiuunitefiuu Member Posts: 253 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    There is no meaningful PVP in this game. Banning ships is pointless as those 3 ships barely scratch the surface of the iceberg that is unbalanced, rewardless, meaningless PVP.

    even as it is, its still far more enjoyable than boring, always the same pve "missions".

    and ye, the list goes long on what should be normalized, but right now these temporal exploits pretty much "dominates"
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  • bossheisenbergbossheisenberg Member Posts: 603 Arc User
    So you've encountered me in my temporal raider B) THEY SEE ME ROLLIN
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,511 Arc User
    nitefiuu wrote: »
    nitefiuu wrote: »
    [Combat (Self)] "random_temporal_newfriend" deals 105161 (53306) Physical Damage(Critical) to you with Entropic Redistribution III.

    and thats just one of the many complete BS atm

    (it hits much more usually, btw)

    (and it can be used way too often)

    So buy the ship. PUG PVP is the one part of STO that really is Pay2Win. You didn't pay.

    so, by buying and using broken exploits will just how gonna improve pvp ?

    (protip: it's just kills it off)

    and fyi: i can get anything and tbh, i got everything this game has to offer, but i ignore bad addons like these

    i just wanna enjoy pvp becuase it has sum tense moments and all, unlike those boring pve with no challange and always the same, and a 2y old tuddler can handle

    If you want balanced PVP, you need to play with other players that agree to and abide by terms for the matches. That is, not PUG.

    PUG PVP was broken, is broken and will remain broken. It caters to the pay 2 win crowd.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,005 Community Moderator
    There is no meaningful PVP in this game. Banning ships is pointless as those 3 ships barely scratch the surface of the iceberg that is unbalanced, rewardless, meaningless PVP.

    This guy kinda has a point.
    Why stop at Temporal ships when there are others that are "just as PvP Broken"?
    Pilot ships? The Pilot Maneuvers give brief immunity and the Pilot seating allows for drifting. TOO OP! BAN THEM!
    Command ships? They can lower my DPS and speed, making me easier to hit? TOO OP! BAN THEM!
    Intel ships? They can increase their own power levels and TRIBBLE with my targeting? TOO OP! BAN THEM!
    T6 ships? They have specialist seating and have level up mastery levels AND traits? TOO OP! BAN THEM!
    T5 ships? TOO OP IN GENERAL! BAN THEM!
    C-Store ships? I have to spend money on them? TOO OP! BAN THEM!
    Lockbox ships? TOO EXOTIC AND BREAKS MAH IMERSIONS! BAN THEM!

    What's that leave? Stock level up ships and shuttles. But oh wait? BOff ability combos can be abused! BAN EVERYTHING ABOVE T1!

    There you go! Perfectly balanced now. T1 and shuttle only!

    Honestly... that's how ridiculous this argument is. If one is to be banned... where does it end?
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,511 Arc User
    T1 and Shuttles can still equip consoles and gear sets that are pay to buy or no longer available. BAN THEM TOO!

    Sooo ... let's type "pew pew pew!" in chat.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,511 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    azrael605 wrote: »
    By the way OP, Entropic Redistribution is a Boff skill, so any ship with a Temporal Boff seat can use it. Nor will this little complaint thread of yours get anything banned or removed from any part of the game.

    That just means we need to ban the TOS temporal ships too! :frownface:

    Which would be pointless, since as mentioned already this is just the PVP flavor of the month. Banning them all would just shift the billion credit club players back to other pay2wins.

  • bossheisenbergbossheisenberg Member Posts: 603 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    There is no meaningful PVP in this game. Banning ships is pointless as those 3 ships barely scratch the surface of the iceberg that is unbalanced, rewardless, meaningless PVP.

    This guy kinda has a point.
    Why stop at Temporal ships when there are others that are "just as PvP Broken"?
    Pilot ships? The Pilot Maneuvers give brief immunity and the Pilot seating allows for drifting. TOO OP! BAN THEM!
    Command ships? They can lower my DPS and speed, making me easier to hit? TOO OP! BAN THEM!
    Intel ships? They can increase their own power levels and **** with my targeting? TOO OP! BAN THEM!
    T6 ships? They have specialist seating and have level up mastery levels AND traits? TOO OP! BAN THEM!
    T5 ships? TOO OP IN GENERAL! BAN THEM!
    C-Store ships? I have to spend money on them? TOO OP! BAN THEM!
    Lockbox ships? TOO EXOTIC AND BREAKS MAH IMERSIONS! BAN THEM!

    What's that leave? Stock level up ships and shuttles. But oh wait? BOff ability combos can be abused! BAN EVERYTHING ABOVE T1!

    There you go! Perfectly balanced now. T1 and shuttle only!

    Honestly... that's how ridiculous this argument is. If one is to be banned... where does it end?

    What is drifting??
  • nitefiuunitefiuu Member Posts: 253 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    There is no meaningful PVP in this game. Banning ships is pointless as those 3 ships barely scratch the surface of the iceberg that is unbalanced, rewardless, meaningless PVP.

    This guy kinda has a point.
    Why stop at Temporal ships when there are others that are "just as PvP Broken"?
    Pilot ships? The Pilot Maneuvers give brief immunity and the Pilot seating allows for drifting. TOO OP! BAN THEM!
    Command ships? They can lower my DPS and speed, making me easier to hit? TOO OP! BAN THEM!
    Intel ships? They can increase their own power levels and **** with my targeting? TOO OP! BAN THEM!
    T6 ships? They have specialist seating and have level up mastery levels AND traits? TOO OP! BAN THEM!
    T5 ships? TOO OP IN GENERAL! BAN THEM!
    C-Store ships? I have to spend money on them? TOO OP! BAN THEM!
    Lockbox ships? TOO EXOTIC AND BREAKS MAH IMERSIONS! BAN THEM!

    What's that leave? Stock level up ships and shuttles. But oh wait? BOff ability combos can be abused! BAN EVERYTHING ABOVE T1!

    There you go! Perfectly balanced now. T1 and shuttle only!

    Honestly... that's how ridiculous this argument is. If one is to be banned... where does it end?

    nice effort typing up all that bs, but the point is, temporal exploits dont have an effective counter while all the rest u spent quite sum time to write up, does have a proper counter more or less
    azrael605 wrote: »
    By the way OP, Entropic Redistribution is a Boff skill, so any ship with a Temporal Boff seat can use it. Nor will this little complaint thread of yours get anything banned or removed from any part of the game.

    my post is pretty much against Temporal Boff seats in general but for as more extent use of exploit the 31st Century Ships takes the cake here
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  • nitefiuunitefiuu Member Posts: 253 Arc User

    rattler2 wrote: »
    There is no meaningful PVP in this game. Banning ships is pointless as those 3 ships barely scratch the surface of the iceberg that is unbalanced, rewardless, meaningless PVP.

    This guy kinda has a point.
    Why stop at Temporal ships when there are others that are "just as PvP Broken"?
    Pilot ships? The Pilot Maneuvers give brief immunity and the Pilot seating allows for drifting. TOO OP! BAN THEM!
    Command ships? They can lower my DPS and speed, making me easier to hit? TOO OP! BAN THEM!
    Intel ships? They can increase their own power levels and **** with my targeting? TOO OP! BAN THEM!
    T6 ships? They have specialist seating and have level up mastery levels AND traits? TOO OP! BAN THEM!
    T5 ships? TOO OP IN GENERAL! BAN THEM!
    C-Store ships? I have to spend money on them? TOO OP! BAN THEM!
    Lockbox ships? TOO EXOTIC AND BREAKS MAH IMERSIONS! BAN THEM!

    What's that leave? Stock level up ships and shuttles. But oh wait? BOff ability combos can be abused! BAN EVERYTHING ABOVE T1!

    There you go! Perfectly balanced now. T1 and shuttle only!

    Honestly... that's how ridiculous this argument is. If one is to be banned... where does it end?

    What is drifting??

    i think this pub-pug thinks, sum seconds of immunity is something real pvpers cant handle

    command ships cant do much in pvp but zombie tank at best,

    intelships are rly weak in 1on1, can be countered multiple ways

    i can think theres like 2x t6 trait that is worth using but both have multiple counter

    i cant react on the rest as hes clearly a 12y old pve player here trying his best to undermine common sens


    no offense tho <3
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,005 Community Moderator
    nitefiuu wrote: »
    nice effort typing up all that bs, but the point is, temporal exploits dont have an effective counter while all the rest u spent quite sum time to write up, does have a proper counter more or less

    The Temporal stuff is still new, and people are still learning the counters. Intel was pretty powerful when it first came out, and I believe people screamed when they had to fight against the Hierarchy because they didn't know how to defend against it. Same with Command. We have yet to fight anyone who uses Pilot abilities though. It will take experimentation to learn what will help counter Temporal.

    The point I was trying to make was WHERE DOES IT END? If you get your way and Temporal ships get banned from PvP, then the next thing must be Banned because its not balaned for PvP, and so on and so on because hey, Temporal got banned so why stop there? Lets get everything on the chopping block that we can to improve PvP!
    What is drifting??

    The Pilot ability Lock Trajectory allows you to keep going in one direction while allowing you to FREELY rotate your ship in any direction. So you can actually continue going one way, and turn your ship completely around 180 degrees to shoot with your forward guns at whoever is behind you.
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  • nitefiuunitefiuu Member Posts: 253 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    intel powers (sstrike) that was op got nerfed pretty hard and is still usable but not complete nonsens and had a very easy counter at the start too. (fbp)

    and lately the more and more passive immunites added pretty much made sstrike to live up to its name, u gotta use surgically at the right time to get its maximum benefit

    same goes to pilots, lots of non pilot ships can get almost as long immunitites now as them, and since they lack the bulk of hull and good res. they go pooof when their immunites skip out for a few seconds (in case they doesnt evade from heat and run )


    u can test countering temporal stuff all u like but ull waste ur time here, there are focused groups of pvpers spent more time on this long before u

    all you caan do is use the exact same stuff, and its killing off pvp
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    Just stop PvPeening in STO... problem solved
  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    nitefiuu wrote: »
    ...and its killing off pvp
    How do you kill that which is already dead?
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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    nitefiuu wrote: »
    ...and its killing off pvp
    How do you kill that which is already dead?

    well according to most zombie movies, a bullet to the head.
  • nitefiuunitefiuu Member Posts: 253 Arc User
    Just stop PvPeening in STO... problem solved

    just stop adding complete bs... problem solved
    nitefiuu wrote: »
    ...and its killing off pvp
    How do you kill that which is already dead?

    as if u know whats going on
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  • bubblegirl2015bubblegirl2015 Member Posts: 830 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    By the way OP, Entropic Redistribution is a Boff skill, so any ship with a Temporal Boff seat can use it. Nor will this little complaint thread of yours get anything banned or removed from any part of the game.

    This is right...Except for the bunch of words and emotional complaints what EXACTLY are you complaining about? Some of these skills are passives or ship independent? EXPLAIN with details not just whine pls?​​
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,005 Community Moderator
    OP... I honestly think you failed to see the point I was making. This isn't just about Temporal powers. Like I said, if you get your way, what's to stop the next person from demanding something else gets banned, and so on until there is nothing left?
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    nitefiuu wrote: »
    Just stop PvPeening in STO... problem solved

    just stop adding complete bs... problem solved

    Take yer own advice man. PvPeen is abandonware in STO... QFT to pretend its anything else.
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