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Q vs. Nagilum ?

whistlerdavidwhistlerdavid Member Posts: 416 Arc User
edited January 2016 in Ten Forward
I was watching "Star Trek: The Next Generation" Where Silence Has Lease episode and i could not help but wonder could Nagilum be able to trap and study Q. would love to know your thoughts on this.

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    jodarkriderjodarkrider Member Posts: 2,097 Arc User
    Hi,
    Moved your thread to more appropriate section.
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    wakerobertswakeroberts Member Posts: 116 Arc User
    That is an interesting question. They are certainly both at an advanced stage of evolution. It would be hard to imagine an entity with powers surpassing the Q.

    There are others that could also be taken into consideration as well. The Organians and the Douwd for example, these races demonstrate advanced abilities far beyond those of most species. It would be safe to say that they are at a similar stage of evolution. But, which would be more powerful? That is a very good question indeed.
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    lilchibiclarililchibiclari Member Posts: 1,193 Arc User
    In the episode where he is depowered, Q refers casually to "changing the gravitational constant of the universe" as his solution for the falling moonlet. AFAIK, nobody besides the Q have claimed to be able to alter physics on a universe-wide scale.
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    Hmm... then there's the possibility that Nagilum WAS Q. IIRC there was a behind the scenes thing where it was mentioned that some of the particularly stupid stuff that happened to Picard was actually just Q.
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    The Q are definitely the most powerful of the gods in the ST universe.​​
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    whistlerdavidwhistlerdavid Member Posts: 416 Arc User
    markhawkman wrote: »
    Hmm... then there's the possibility that Nagilum WAS Q. IIRC there was a behind the scenes thing where it was mentioned that some of the particularly stupid stuff that happened to Picard was actually just Q.
    it could not have been Q .he at some point would have let picard know it was him.besides Nagilum wanted to kill half of the crew just to see different ways of dieing Q would have killed them all then bring them back to life
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    mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    Q is certainly at the top end of superhuman/god-like aliens. Nagilum seems less powerful. The whole "kill half the crew" thing would seem pretty pointless for Q. He could probably kill and bring them back as he likes. Or he could create a copy of the crew and play around with that.

    A being more powerful than Q would be pretty much meaningless to us.

    His motivations seem a bit unclear to me. A being of his power and his knowledge - can he really be surprised by what Picard does? Did he really not anticipate Sisko hitting him? Did he fail to anticipate the end of Quinn?
    Or is he like someone that is reading a novel he already read before - he knows all the twists and turns, but he likes experiencing them, watching how these things happen? Maybe the last wonder that is left for a being that can alter the laws of physics at its whim?

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    whistlerdavidwhistlerdavid Member Posts: 416 Arc User
    edited January 2016
    mustrumridcully0 wrote: »
    Q is certainly at the top end of superhuman/god-like aliens. Nagilum seems less powerful. The whole "kill half the crew" thing would seem pretty pointless for Q. He could probably kill and bring them back as he likes. Or he could create a copy of the crew and play around with that.

    A being more powerful than Q would be pretty much meaningless to us.

    His motivations seem a bit unclear to me. A being of his power and his knowledge - can he really be surprised by what Picard does? Did he really not anticipate Sisko hitting him? Did he fail to anticipate the end of Quinn?
    Or is he like someone that is reading a novel he already read before - he knows all the twists and turns, but he likes experiencing them, watching how these things happen? Maybe the last wonder that is left for a being that can alter the laws of physics at its whim?

    i think Q's fascination with us is are ability to go to extremes on the fly it makes us very unpredictable.thats why he always played games with us.i think with picard he loved the fact that he no matter the problem tried hard to stick with his beilefs no matter what was happening.i am surprised that they never made a movie with him in it after what he said on the last episode that he will always be watching.i also think after that episode Q looked at picard has a friend and not just your every day human
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    whistlerdavid wrote: »
    markhawkman wrote: »
    Hmm... then there's the possibility that Nagilum WAS Q. IIRC there was a behind the scenes thing where it was mentioned that some of the particularly stupid stuff that happened to Picard was actually just Q.
    it could not have been Q .he at some point would have let picard know it was him.besides Nagilum wanted to kill half of the crew just to see different ways of dieing Q would have killed them all then bring them back to life
    That or Q was messing with them to see how they'd react? That episode with the time vortex that only cared about Picard? Yeah that was written as the work of Q, but that detail got cut. It was planned to have been mentioned the next time Q showed up in person.
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    whistlerdavidwhistlerdavid Member Posts: 416 Arc User
    markhawkman wrote: »
    whistlerdavid wrote: »
    markhawkman wrote: »
    Hmm... then there's the possibility that Nagilum WAS Q. IIRC there was a behind the scenes thing where it was mentioned that some of the particularly stupid stuff that happened to Picard was actually just Q.
    it could not have been Q .he at some point would have let picard know it was him.besides Nagilum wanted to kill half of the crew just to see different ways of dieing Q would have killed them all then bring them back to life
    That or Q was messing with them to see how they'd react? That episode with the time vortex that only cared about Picard? Yeah that was written as the work of Q, but that detail got cut. It was planned to have been mentioned the next time Q showed up in person.
    your thinking of a difrent episode the one i am talking about the Enterprise becomes enveloped by a void in space.no matter what they do they cant get out then an other ship appears and they send an away team over but when they do a hole in the void appears and closes when the away team get back.
    then Nagilum shows up
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    whistlerdavid wrote: »
    markhawkman wrote: »
    whistlerdavid wrote: »
    markhawkman wrote: »
    Hmm... then there's the possibility that Nagilum WAS Q. IIRC there was a behind the scenes thing where it was mentioned that some of the particularly stupid stuff that happened to Picard was actually just Q.
    it could not have been Q .he at some point would have let picard know it was him.besides Nagilum wanted to kill half of the crew just to see different ways of dieing Q would have killed them all then bring them back to life
    That or Q was messing with them to see how they'd react? That episode with the time vortex that only cared about Picard? Yeah that was written as the work of Q, but that detail got cut. It was planned to have been mentioned the next time Q showed up in person.
    your thinking of a difrent episode the one i am talking about the Enterprise becomes enveloped by a void in space.no matter what they do they cant get out then an other ship appears and they send an away team over but when they do a hole in the void appears and closes when the away team get back.
    then Nagilum shows up
    I was drawing a parallel. In both eps something REALLY stupid happens. Something that seemingly defies the laws of physics (from an in-universe perspective).
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