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marcel314
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I know they could do something like that you need to be repaired/healed before you can enter a pve queue but i wait for this since years.
In fact, repairing/healing in general seems to be another pointless clicking in uis like rep or r&d projects and i think we got far too many anyway.
Just remove it.
In fact, repairing/healing in general seems to be another pointless clicking in uis like rep or r&d projects and i think we got far too many anyway.
Just remove it.
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Yes, like my ship death automatically clears all Iconian spam from the area!
Seriously, without their continuous spam they are pathetic, especially the giant "Battleships" that teleport away from my little Escort all the time.
It's like to see difficulty chaged to the following:
Normal: On hitting 0% hull, your ship is temporally disabled for 5-10 seconds. The disable cannot be cleared or countered. After the lockout period ends, you are granted a 50% damage resistance temporally and restored to 50% hull.
Advanced: On hitting 0% hull your ship blows up as normal, and wait for respawn. You receive increasing respawn delays as you continue to die.
Elite: On hitting 0% hull your ship blows up, you do not respawn for the rest of the queued event. Players enter a spectator mode.
Edit: Add a clause that assesses an AFK ban for not making it past 20% of the match.
Or how abut you can only get rewards if you're alive at the end. I like this one.
Before, people would just die and respawn because there was no consequence (other than having to run back, but that's whatever). The injuries were designed as a means to provide an incentive to pop your heals, break off, search for cover, etc to prevent yourself from dying in the first place and to provide an added difficulty layer for Advanced/Elite queues.
Were the implemented well? That's up to you to decide - but it was the players that asked for it and brought it about in the first place.
Hmm...
The Elite ques already have lots of issues. I think such a mechanic is every AFK-er's wet dream. Might want to take it back to the drawing board.
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Add a clause that assesses an AFK ban for not making it past 20% of the match.
Or how abut you can only get rewards if you're alive at the end. I like this one.
Having said that, anytime Cryptic revisits anything it becomes a dil sink, so I rather they just keep ignoring it.
Yeah, some people believed it was an absolute neccessity for.. Oh, I don't really know or care what.
I strongly suspect that most of the people that demanded it and were really serious about it either changed their feeling on the importance of "death penalties", or abandonded the game.
STO has never tried to be a game of harsh consequences, and the gameplay can not really be called that immersive. It's fun, however, and it would be just as fun (or possibly more so) without the injury system.
Quite possibly the only other mechanic less important to the game than injuries are crew sizes an crew damage.
Replace the current injury/death system with an actual repair system where your teammates have to repair your ship to get you back in the match. And by giving engineers a faster repair bonus they might as well become a bit for useful in space.
If you lack the basic knowledge to heal injuries or are too lazy to resupply then you have no place in advanced or elite STF.
Personally i would even remove the ability to enter normal queues in order to force people to learn.
This^ sounds the most plausible. I'd say it was implemented (at the players request) and never updated or revisited since. Like the "Crew Mechanic" that even the Devs themselves admit is totally 'borked', it's one of the things they might one day look into.
Past experience however suggests that if they do, it'll either be a totally inconsequential change, or more likely it'll completely 'farf' up the game.
My advice? Lave it alone, and accept it as a WAI "Feature"
sooooo much this!!!!
I would also like to see minor damage be on a timer. It's weird that my crew cant fix anything unless I use a part or take the ship into spacedock.
If you get blown up, you lose a portion of your crew for good. They don't come back as zombies. Your disabled crew (the ones in orange) gradually get replaced by holograms, or are healed (difficult to tell the difference, which is the point). If you get blown up with more crewmembers in the orange, the greater your permanent crew loss.
If you want new crew, you can visit a starbase and get crew replenished for free.
Or you can pay energy credits and have a shuttle (or convoy of shuttles) show up in space that replenishes your permanently dead crew. This has the same mechanics of getting healed at a starbase or using components.
The crew mechanic passive/active ship repair math would also need to be retooled, obviously.
If you have 0 alive crew, your ship simply does not get repaired unless you're using regeneration traits, equipment, or set bonuses. Engineering Team, Tac Team, Science Team, Intel team, Boarding Party, etc. simply becomes grayed out on your boffs/power tray. Hangars are grayed out. Anything tied to the crew mechanic simply does not work unless you replenish your dead crew.
The ground injury death penalty is just fine, imo. But yes, the queue should decline your request to enter a ground PvE match if you have a certain amount of injuries.
A death penalty needs to either not exist at all or to be much more severe than STO's injury system. Since STO, on the whole, is a casual game (you play in small chunks and reach max level very quickly), I lean toward "not exist at all."
May as well just eject someone who dies from the match so maybe someone else can replace them...if you're going that far.
Or you just play on 'Normal'...problem solved.
Seriously, are you really complaining that after a death on advanced/elite you might have to bother to look at you ship/character instead of just running back to spam your spacebar?
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I was thinking of this earlier today then I came across this thread. I think the injury mechanics for space should be tied with the ship's able crew mechanic. My suggestions:
Now this may affect skills such as Go Down Fighting, but as long as you keep your crew alive, you can still repair through ship injuries to keep damage up.
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Elites are pretty much premades only anyway, at least in space. So I think bringing in additional players defeats the purpose. If you fail you fail. Seems pretty good, and it won't really effect a good team.
I'd rebalance rewards a bit, but overall the change would really effect little. I just threw out an idea, but I think I'm with the idea that is rather they don't touch it. If they did, it'll probably cost 2k dilithium or twenty hours to fix damage.
Auto-repair will probably be contrary to the intent behind the mechanic.
I'm all for the rest of your ideas, that'll make the KDF sufficiently OP
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Haha well the Federation is pretty popular. The other factions need some love.
Or it can be fixed by simply giving fed ships some innate crew protection passive. Klingons do love dying in battle after all while the Feds get all the creature comforts.
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With a game like STO, only one life in elite mode=does not work in this game.
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Also add in a 10% speed and turn rate reduction per damage/ minor up to a max of 90%
Add fire and smoke heck make the UI have lighting , smoke and flames in it too
Each ship destruction a 75% chance each weapon or system in the ship will take damamge
it might put a dampner on pure DPS builds
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Oh, i don't have a big problem with it. For me it's just a minor nuisance but for some players which enters a mission with +30 injuries and dying 10 seconds after the mission started because they can't even take a single torpedo hit seems to have big ones.
The devs haven't done anything about since i joined the game years ago , just remove it. That makes probaly the least amount of work for them and us.
Best of all, it would mean less garbage to fill my inventory.
But i have a problem with Players who obviously have no idea where the medics are or don't want to spend EC on regenerators. If i join a PvE and someone has several severe injuries and critical injuries his performance is lower than it should be and its harder for everyone else on the team