I'd just discontinue the Cardassian lockbox, let everyone who got one to that point keep them as they are and release the Cardassian factions Galor while completely ignoring the lockbox version. There has been so much change that hurt a way, way larger share of players, so what's the big deal in stumping that small handful of Galor owners? Their reward is that they had been able to fly a Galor for 3-4 years before the faction hit.
it's not just them though, it's also all the people that purchased those keys and tried (unsuccessfully) to acquire one of those ships. If, all of a sudden they can create a Cardassian and fly a Galor that way, I doubt many of them will be all-too happy about it.
In conclusion, I think the 5th option of mine will suit; give Galor owners a choice of changing their ship for one of the others. If people wish to keep their Galor on their non-cardassian character, then fine, that have that right, but for those that would rather fly one under the cardassian banner, they should have the option for a trade-in. If needs be, reduce that trade-in so it applies only to the T5U lock boxes, and not the newer T6 ones. A T5U for a T5U, seems a fair compromise.
If the greatest concern about implementation of a faction were about alienating the owners of a single dated lockbox ship this might be a dialogue worth entering into. It isn't. The Cardassian experience isn't worth examining. It reads like a poor man's Romulan story where much of it is the same; Only smaller.
The only thing positive about a Cardassian faction would be it taking away from the the development of Borg faction; That's not a perk. It's just a lesser evil. A Cardassian story would come off as a pale shadow of the Romulan story and it would be a waste to see something so anti-climatic occupy such a significant portion of development resources.
I would like to see a better examination of DS9 and some of the ideas that made it a good series introduced into STO but not as a vehicle for a Cardassian fraction. Ships don't make a story and that seems to be crux of this thread.
Option #1
Don't release the Cardassian Faction. Ever.
Probably that one. In all honesty, they have a hard enough time keeping up with the terrible burden of maintaining the three factions they presently have, to the point of podcast statements about certain story decisions helping to preclude the need for faction-specific content. While recent ship offerings have been a vast improvement over the Delta Operations Pack, adding a fourth faction would increase their workload even further... I just don't see that happening.
Now, adding Cardassians as an open-faction C-Store playable species, with Cardassian costumes (probably in a lock box), Cardassian Military liaison boffs/doffs, and maybe a Keldon (with Spiral Waves for the weapon crates, though Dilithium Store access would remain tied to the Galor and/or Keldon so they "maintain their value")... those I can see happening. All tied to something to explain why the Cardassian military has joined the Alliance along with the Federation, Klingon Empire, and Romulan Republic, of course. The Iconian War gives a marvelous opportunity to create Alliance lock boxes out of allied species and governments; if they did it that way they wouldn't need to maintain another mini-faction.
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
MY first thought is simple..... how many ships would a Cardassian or Cardassian/Dominion faction have? I figure at least 14, probably more. The real question to me is what are all those other ships going to BE?
It's an easier question if it's a combination of Cardassian and Dominion stuff, since you can use a mix of ship styles.
t1:
Freebie: Hideki
Zstore: Bugship(but this is a t1 version)
etc.... It'd be fun to have a Dominion carrier as a Z-store T6 ship.
Actually... Cardassian carriers seem plausible too.
I'd like to weigh my input on this whole Cardassian Galor situation.
I believe when it was first released, the lore of the lockbox (when they still did them) was that the Detapa Council allowed starfleet and the KDF to fly their Galors in order to fight the True Way (or the Alpha Dominion if you will).
I was thinking that since we know that Cryptic has done renames with item in STO before (Happened with the 360 degree beam array you get from Sphere of Influence and the 1st Xindi locbox), we could rename the Cardassian Galor into the True Way Galor, this way a potential Cardassian faction can eventually get their faction's ship without seeming like anyone gets hosed on.
This conversation is bringing up something I hadn't considered: what is Cryptic going to do with Tier 5 in a new faction?
Obviously, there will be new "free" ships to fill the F2P requirement. But will they deal with Level 50 T5 ships, which are C-Store purchases?
Or... will the Cardie faction be the first "clean" faction that bypasses T5-U to a large degree, and jumps straight to T6?
Why not? Because if you look at it right now, you cannot use the best of T5 until you hit Lv50. And when you hit Lv50, you're eligible for T6. A brand new player literally has no incentive to go T5 and it will only get worse as the highly favored canon ships transition to T6.
The Cardassian Union ship lineup is going to be extremely limited at first since they actually had even fewer canon examples than even the Romulans. They'll actually need more help to flesh out their lineup.
For endgame:
Player Fighter/Shuttle: Hideki Frigate
Escort: Hideki Frigate
Cruiser: Galor
Carrier: Keldon (2 hangar bays for Hideki Frigates AND Photonic Galors Generator)
Science: ?
Playable Cardassians
Probably have to make some stuff up for a Science Vessel, just like what was done for the Romulans with the Ha'nom.
Players that already have the old Galor? Keep it.
On the same token, I would do the exact same thing for Dominion. But the Dominion actually has 1 canon example that isn't playable but is shown ingame.
Fighter/Shuttle: Jem'Hadar Fighter
Escorts: Jem'Hadar Attack Ship & Strike Ship, Jem'Hadar Escort Carrier (1 hangar), Jem'Hadar Battlecruiser
TAC Carrier: Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier
TAC Battleship: Jem'Hadar Battleship (8 weapon slot, 5 TAC, hybrid of Cmdr TAC & heavy ENG. Think of it is a more weapons oriented JHDC but with no hangars)
Playable Jem'Hadar, Vorta, Karemma, Dosi
** If you haven't noticed, every single, currently playable Dominion warship is Cmdr TAC with secondary emphasis on ENG.
For Cardassians and Dominion, simply have T1-T6 versions of these ships as the players level.
Option #1
Don't release the Cardassian Faction. Ever.
I think the number of players that want a Cardassian faction is very small. Incredible waste of time that devs could spend in so many better ways. Allowing a Cardassian playable species would be a much better was to satisfy the niche that desire it.
I think the number of players that want a Cardassian faction is very small. Incredible waste of time that devs could spend in so many better ways. Allowing a Cardassian playable species would be a much better was to satisfy the niche that desire it.
I'd say the numbers that want a Liberated Borg faction are even smaller yet they almost made a playable faction for them...
I think the number of players that want a Cardassian faction is very small. Incredible waste of time that devs could spend in so many better ways. Allowing a Cardassian playable species would be a much better was to satisfy the niche that desire it.
However, if they are actually going to add a new faction, Cardassian seems to be the most popular choice out of the ones they have mentioned as possibilities.
However, if they are actually going to add a new faction, Cardassian seems to be the most popular choice out of the ones they have mentioned as possibilities.
Same can be said about the choice of captain as well...more than half are Tactical :P
Lets face it...unless they decide to completely ignore Feds for a long time nothing is ever going to surpass them. They get the most of everything and they even have a lot of what other factions...majority Klingons have.
But does that mean they shouldn't develop new races and factions? I'd say no...but I guess I'm kinda biased...I love Romulans and I play them...I'd love a Cardassian or two as well.
What would help factions a little is if they made the game a little more alt friendly...
Actually, I had a thought, dunno if it was mentioned yet, but:
If a Cardassian faction becomes available, the Galor class as it is now in-game pretty much has to become available for free (for them only of course). Like, anything else would almost be nonsensical, other than a T3 version of it I guess.
But! What if, for the people who have already acquired a lockbox Galor, were given the option to requisition a refit version of the vessel? Not a T6 version of it, mind you; I'd say reserve that status for the Keldon class (or a similar "iconic" version of the Galor).
No, an actual Galor-R, with an extra console slot and a slightly superior BOff arrangement.
This would probably be a neat solution to the issue. Probably not one everyone would like, mind you. But it could work.
A) make sure that the lockbox ships are superior to the free "rank reward" ships(which is already the case with other factions vs lockbox ships, so this is basically just stating the obvious)
give anyone who has a lockbox Card ship 1 free choice of whatever zen store Card ships come with the faction
C) make sure the lockbox ships have some unique console/power that will never be available from the "free" ships or the zen store ships for that faction
While not perfect, I think doing all of these things will allow a Card faction to have it's iconic ships, while not completely devaluing the lockbox ships people have invested in.
Theres an easier way of dealing with it than that.
design brand new ships for the new cardiassian fleet.
You can argue that its been 40 years and the ships the true way use are the ones in the lock box and then the cardi's the non-nostalgic ones could have brand new ship designs etc?
kind of like the tal'shiar lock box. only it wasnt called the true way lock box thats about it lol.
You have several versions of the Galaxy. T4, T5, Fleet and T6. Same ship different layouts and i believe one or two has a special console. No reason you can't do that with the Galor. Make a T4, Fleet and T6 version with different BOFF seating and stats. Make a T5 with a special console that lock box Galor owners can use or get for free. Or you can make a 2409 version of the Galor at T5 making the T5 lockbox ship special. Players are going to level up to 60 and purchase T6 versions of the classic Galor anyways.
Theres an easier way of dealing with it than that.
design brand new ships for the new cardiassian fleet.
You can argue that its been 40 years and the ships the true way use are the ones in the lock box and then the cardi's the non-nostalgic ones could have brand new ship designs etc?
kind of like the tal'shiar lock box. only it wasnt called the true way lock box thats about it lol.
What you are saying is completely logical, but there is one problem: a lot of people want to play the ships from the shows. That is why they keep making newer and better versions of the same old ships for the Feds, KDF, and Roms. So a lot of people who would want to play a Card faction would want to play with a Galor, the same way a lot of people who play KDF would want to play with a Bird of Prey, and a lot of people who play Rom would want to play with a Warbird. Game story logic aside, a faction has to have it's most iconic ships for purely business reasons.
However, if they are actually going to add a new faction, Cardassian seems to be the most popular choice out of the ones they have mentioned as possibilities.
You could also slot those numbers with Cryptic's absolute incompetence in handling multiple factions. I have never, ever seen that level of incompetence in multifaction development in any game, any genre. Only in STO.
- FPS, Strategy games, other MMOs. You name it, everyone's handled factions better than Cryptic.
Not to mention a bunch of those numbers are ancient. They do not deactivate long dead accounts, etc.
What you are saying is completely logical, but there is one problem: a lot of people want to play the ships from the shows. That is why they keep making newer and better versions of the same old ships for the Feds, KDF, and Roms. So a lot of people who would want to play a Card faction would want to play with a Galor, the same way a lot of people who play KDF would want to play with a Bird of Prey, and a lot of people who play Rom would want to play with a Warbird. Game story logic aside, a faction has to have it's most iconic ships for purely business reasons.
thats very true but theres only so much you can accomidate people with before it gets stale, sure the first few months they'll be happy YAY KELDON CLASS! ITS ALL MINE!
but eventually they will get bored.
However you could also say that the new cardi's took back some of their old ships from the true way in "anti-terror raids" ( gah it sounds os modern) and then use them, keep in mind they have a small force at the moment to protect cardassia so they would probably need a few more ships to help bolster them even old ones.
this entire problem is not something to be solved by giving players things this problem can only be solved by the lore for cardassia 40 years later and thats something which has a lot of open space right now.
Alternatively, the new ships could have old ship skins provided the designs are similar. so they wouldnt need to fly the ship in the lock box as they can just do it in a new ship with an old skin.
Im sure cryptic will monetize such an idea but hey ho at least peeps would be happy
Realistically speaking, there is probably going to be a Cardassian faction added at some point. However, one of the main issues that comes up whenever a Card faction is discussed is the problem of the lockbox ships, specifically how do you ensure that the lockbox ships retain their value while players are able to get those same(or very similar) ships for "free" when advancing through the ranks of a Card faction. With that issue in mind, how would you solve the lockbox problem?
simple. bypass the galor and create a new cruiser in its place. with a new fleet of ships, they will come up with something.. if indeed cryptic are working on a cardi faction.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Impress Sela takes over control of the Tal'Shiar, with the help of remnants of the Obsidian order! With a combined Romulan, & Cardasian fleet she then annexes the Romulan Republic. Adding the Cardasians to the Romulan Faction as a subject race.
well it's an idea.
Finally decided to make a sig.
I see allot of them with a character, and ship.
though I'm not sure which ship to put on there...
I'll think about it. This will do for now.
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My solution ? Cardassians as new c-store species for Feds. They are already a fed protectorate so...
Yep. If we go this route, they should NOT be allowable for KDF. After what the Klinks did to Cardassia, which was not only unjustified but gave Dukat an opening to bring the Dominion in and TRIBBLE over the Union and ultimately the whole quadrant, the only Cardassians who would side with the Klingons are probably scoundrels and war criminals trying to escape prosecution.
Perhaps if we went this route, the KDF could be given either a new species, OR, alternatively, female options for ALL species they currently have. Female Gorn, Nausicaans, and Letheans could be designed and introduced, so that it is no longer assumed that only Klingons, Ferasans, Orions, and aliens actually allow the females of the species off-planet.
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simple. bypass the galor and create a new cruiser in its place. with a new fleet of ships, they will come up with something.. if indeed cryptic are working on a cardi faction.
The problem, as mentioned previously, is that a lot of people want to fly the iconic ships from the shows. That is why Cryptic keeps making new versions of the same old ships for the Feds, KDF, and Roms. Sure, they have some new skin each time, but they *also* have the old Galaxy/Negh'var/Warbird skins because Cryptic knows people want to use those. So simply bypassing the Galor isn't a reasonable business option when the Galor is the most iconic Cardassian ship.
The broken alliance between the Cardassians and the Dominion was one of the pivotal conflicts of the Dominion War. Faced with the loss of a valuable ally and continued pressure from the allied forces of the Alpha Quadrant, the Founders were forced to retreat to a hostile Cardassia Prime where Damar led a popular revolt that sapped away Dominion soldiers and resources. This rebellion opened the door for the Dominion's ultimate defeat.
Recently declassified documents reveal that during the rebellion, Damar arranged for a small surplus of Cardassian Galor-class warships to be given to both the Federation and the Klingon Empire to aid in their efforts fighting the Jem'Hadar. With the threat of the Dominion again looming, the Cardassian Detapa Council has finally agreed to release these forgotten vessels for Starfleet and Klingon Defense Force use.
we wont see dominion or cardassian factions ever. they just are no major factions within the story. dominion is a pure nemesis, and the cardassians are just to small now after ds9.
gamma quadrant dominion, sure. but don't forget we have the all the races of the dominion available already.
we have odo-type changelings from new link, vorta clones who remained after the war, alpha quadrant-cloned jem'hadar, and if we throw in cardassians into that it'd already have twice as many races as the romulans do, plus it'd throw in the dominion ships into the mix for some more variation. hell, you could even throw in the breen.
it'd even be fine if they were a sub faction like romulans.
Now clowns, that's another story. They scare the crap out of me.
We fight them too. Entire armies spilling out of Volkswagens.
We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending them in.
Recently declassified documents reveal that during the rebellion, Damar arranged for a small surplus of Cardassian Galor-class warships to be given to both the Federation and the Klingon Empire to aid in their efforts fighting the Jem'Hadar.
Couldn't Galor-class Warships have been the codename for Former Obsidian-Order Warships?
Realistically speaking, there is probably going to be a Cardassian faction added at some point. However, one of the main issues that comes up whenever a Card faction is discussed is the problem of the lockbox ships, specifically how do you ensure that the lockbox ships retain their value while players are able to get those same(or very similar) ships for "free" when advancing through the ranks of a Card faction. With that issue in mind, how would you solve the lockbox problem?
First, a Cardashian faction is a horrible idea.
The Borg or Dominion factions would be more appropriate.
Any Borg or Dominion ship in-service would obviously be better than a lockbox variant.
T5-U is gimped if not obsolete anyway so any "value" has already diminished.
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Hideki
Galor
Keldon
Cargo ship (Tuffli model already flying around)
Yea... I don't see it happening. Why is everyone obsessing over a Cardassian faction when they're A: Only allowed a small Defense Force, B: are pretty much a protectorate of the Federation, and C: their iconic ship is a LOCKBOX prize.
Same goes for Dominion. Their ships showed up in lockboxes. They only changed the name of the old Xindi Box to keep it from being confused for the current one. Other than that, NOTHING changed about it or its contents.
Changing the name of the Galor ain't going to solve anything, as its still the EXACT SAME MODEL and the ship was already in the first lockbox. Cryptic said they aren't going to release any faction specific stuff via lockboxes and admitted they shot themselves in the foot in regards to the Galor. They're already having to come up with T6 ships for three factions, now you want them to flesh out yet another faction with T1-6 INCLUDING equivelents to already released specialization T6 ships like the Command Cruisers, Intel ships, and the upcoming Pilot ships, as well as full on hubs, costumes, and faction specific weapons?
One problem: Can't use Phaser, Disruptor, or Plasma as those are already claimed. That leaves Polaron, Tetryon, and Antiproton. None of which the Cardassians EVER used in canon. Romulans can get away with Plasma because of Plasma Torpedoes and Disruptors were already claimed by the KDF. Cardassia just doesn't have the resources to stand alongside the Federatin, Klingons, and Romulans as a major superpower as they aren't a major superpower anymore. And giving this faction access to Spiral Wave Disruptors as their specific weapon is a slap in the face to everyone who got the lockbox Galor which unlocks the beam arrays.
First, a Cardashian faction is a horrible idea. The Borg or Dominion factions would be more appropriate.
Any Borg or Dominion ship in-service would obviously be better than a lockbox variant.
T5-U is gimped if not obsolete anyway so any "value" has already diminished.
The Dominion, maybe, but a Borg Faction would never be more appropriate than a Cardassian one.
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In conclusion, I think the 5th option of mine will suit; give Galor owners a choice of changing their ship for one of the others. If people wish to keep their Galor on their non-cardassian character, then fine, that have that right, but for those that would rather fly one under the cardassian banner, they should have the option for a trade-in. If needs be, reduce that trade-in so it applies only to the T5U lock boxes, and not the newer T6 ones. A T5U for a T5U, seems a fair compromise.
The only thing positive about a Cardassian faction would be it taking away from the the development of Borg faction; That's not a perk. It's just a lesser evil. A Cardassian story would come off as a pale shadow of the Romulan story and it would be a waste to see something so anti-climatic occupy such a significant portion of development resources.
I would like to see a better examination of DS9 and some of the ideas that made it a good series introduced into STO but not as a vehicle for a Cardassian fraction. Ships don't make a story and that seems to be crux of this thread.
Probably that one. In all honesty, they have a hard enough time keeping up with the terrible burden of maintaining the three factions they presently have, to the point of podcast statements about certain story decisions helping to preclude the need for faction-specific content. While recent ship offerings have been a vast improvement over the Delta Operations Pack, adding a fourth faction would increase their workload even further... I just don't see that happening.
Now, adding Cardassians as an open-faction C-Store playable species, with Cardassian costumes (probably in a lock box), Cardassian Military liaison boffs/doffs, and maybe a Keldon (with Spiral Waves for the weapon crates, though Dilithium Store access would remain tied to the Galor and/or Keldon so they "maintain their value")... those I can see happening. All tied to something to explain why the Cardassian military has joined the Alliance along with the Federation, Klingon Empire, and Romulan Republic, of course. The Iconian War gives a marvelous opportunity to create Alliance lock boxes out of allied species and governments; if they did it that way they wouldn't need to maintain another mini-faction.
It's an easier question if it's a combination of Cardassian and Dominion stuff, since you can use a mix of ship styles.
t1:
Freebie: Hideki
Zstore: Bugship(but this is a t1 version)
etc.... It'd be fun to have a Dominion carrier as a Z-store T6 ship.
Actually... Cardassian carriers seem plausible too.
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I believe when it was first released, the lore of the lockbox (when they still did them) was that the Detapa Council allowed starfleet and the KDF to fly their Galors in order to fight the True Way (or the Alpha Dominion if you will).
I was thinking that since we know that Cryptic has done renames with item in STO before (Happened with the 360 degree beam array you get from Sphere of Influence and the 1st Xindi locbox), we could rename the Cardassian Galor into the True Way Galor, this way a potential Cardassian faction can eventually get their faction's ship without seeming like anyone gets hosed on.
Why not? Because if you look at it right now, you cannot use the best of T5 until you hit Lv50. And when you hit Lv50, you're eligible for T6. A brand new player literally has no incentive to go T5 and it will only get worse as the highly favored canon ships transition to T6.
The Cardassian Union ship lineup is going to be extremely limited at first since they actually had even fewer canon examples than even the Romulans. They'll actually need more help to flesh out their lineup.
For endgame:
Player Fighter/Shuttle: Hideki Frigate
Escort: Hideki Frigate
Cruiser: Galor
Carrier: Keldon (2 hangar bays for Hideki Frigates AND Photonic Galors Generator)
Science: ?
Playable Cardassians
Probably have to make some stuff up for a Science Vessel, just like what was done for the Romulans with the Ha'nom.
Players that already have the old Galor? Keep it.
On the same token, I would do the exact same thing for Dominion. But the Dominion actually has 1 canon example that isn't playable but is shown ingame.
Fighter/Shuttle: Jem'Hadar Fighter
Escorts: Jem'Hadar Attack Ship & Strike Ship, Jem'Hadar Escort Carrier (1 hangar), Jem'Hadar Battlecruiser
TAC Carrier: Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier
TAC Battleship: Jem'Hadar Battleship (8 weapon slot, 5 TAC, hybrid of Cmdr TAC & heavy ENG. Think of it is a more weapons oriented JHDC but with no hangars)
Playable Jem'Hadar, Vorta, Karemma, Dosi
** If you haven't noticed, every single, currently playable Dominion warship is Cmdr TAC with secondary emphasis on ENG.
For Cardassians and Dominion, simply have T1-T6 versions of these ships as the players level.
I think the number of players that want a Cardassian faction is very small. Incredible waste of time that devs could spend in so many better ways. Allowing a Cardassian playable species would be a much better was to satisfy the niche that desire it.
I'd say the numbers that want a Liberated Borg faction are even smaller yet they almost made a playable faction for them...
To be completely honest, the number of people that want ANY faction other than Federation is comparatively small, and here is the proof:
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However, if they are actually going to add a new faction, Cardassian seems to be the most popular choice out of the ones they have mentioned as possibilities.
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Same can be said about the choice of captain as well...more than half are Tactical :P
Lets face it...unless they decide to completely ignore Feds for a long time nothing is ever going to surpass them. They get the most of everything and they even have a lot of what other factions...majority Klingons have.
But does that mean they shouldn't develop new races and factions? I'd say no...but I guess I'm kinda biased...I love Romulans and I play them...I'd love a Cardassian or two as well.
What would help factions a little is if they made the game a little more alt friendly...
If a Cardassian faction becomes available, the Galor class as it is now in-game pretty much has to become available for free (for them only of course). Like, anything else would almost be nonsensical, other than a T3 version of it I guess.
But! What if, for the people who have already acquired a lockbox Galor, were given the option to requisition a refit version of the vessel? Not a T6 version of it, mind you; I'd say reserve that status for the Keldon class (or a similar "iconic" version of the Galor).
No, an actual Galor-R, with an extra console slot and a slightly superior BOff arrangement.
This would probably be a neat solution to the issue. Probably not one everyone would like, mind you. But it could work.
Theres an easier way of dealing with it than that.
design brand new ships for the new cardiassian fleet.
You can argue that its been 40 years and the ships the true way use are the ones in the lock box and then the cardi's the non-nostalgic ones could have brand new ship designs etc?
kind of like the tal'shiar lock box. only it wasnt called the true way lock box thats about it lol.
What you are saying is completely logical, but there is one problem: a lot of people want to play the ships from the shows. That is why they keep making newer and better versions of the same old ships for the Feds, KDF, and Roms. So a lot of people who would want to play a Card faction would want to play with a Galor, the same way a lot of people who play KDF would want to play with a Bird of Prey, and a lot of people who play Rom would want to play with a Warbird. Game story logic aside, a faction has to have it's most iconic ships for purely business reasons.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
You could also slot those numbers with Cryptic's absolute incompetence in handling multiple factions. I have never, ever seen that level of incompetence in multifaction development in any game, any genre. Only in STO.
- FPS, Strategy games, other MMOs. You name it, everyone's handled factions better than Cryptic.
Not to mention a bunch of those numbers are ancient. They do not deactivate long dead accounts, etc.
thats very true but theres only so much you can accomidate people with before it gets stale, sure the first few months they'll be happy YAY KELDON CLASS! ITS ALL MINE!
but eventually they will get bored.
However you could also say that the new cardi's took back some of their old ships from the true way in "anti-terror raids" ( gah it sounds os modern) and then use them, keep in mind they have a small force at the moment to protect cardassia so they would probably need a few more ships to help bolster them even old ones.
this entire problem is not something to be solved by giving players things this problem can only be solved by the lore for cardassia 40 years later and thats something which has a lot of open space right now.
Alternatively, the new ships could have old ship skins provided the designs are similar. so they wouldnt need to fly the ship in the lock box as they can just do it in a new ship with an old skin.
Im sure cryptic will monetize such an idea but hey ho at least peeps would be happy
simple. bypass the galor and create a new cruiser in its place. with a new fleet of ships, they will come up with something.. if indeed cryptic are working on a cardi faction.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Impress Sela takes over control of the Tal'Shiar, with the help of remnants of the Obsidian order! With a combined Romulan, & Cardasian fleet she then annexes the Romulan Republic. Adding the Cardasians to the Romulan Faction as a subject race.
well it's an idea.
I see allot of them with a character, and ship.
though I'm not sure which ship to put on there...
I'll think about it. This will do for now.
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Yep. If we go this route, they should NOT be allowable for KDF. After what the Klinks did to Cardassia, which was not only unjustified but gave Dukat an opening to bring the Dominion in and TRIBBLE over the Union and ultimately the whole quadrant, the only Cardassians who would side with the Klingons are probably scoundrels and war criminals trying to escape prosecution.
Perhaps if we went this route, the KDF could be given either a new species, OR, alternatively, female options for ALL species they currently have. Female Gorn, Nausicaans, and Letheans could be designed and introduced, so that it is no longer assumed that only Klingons, Ferasans, Orions, and aliens actually allow the females of the species off-planet.
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The problem, as mentioned previously, is that a lot of people want to fly the iconic ships from the shows. That is why Cryptic keeps making new versions of the same old ships for the Feds, KDF, and Roms. Sure, they have some new skin each time, but they *also* have the old Galaxy/Negh'var/Warbird skins because Cryptic knows people want to use those. So simply bypassing the Galor isn't a reasonable business option when the Galor is the most iconic Cardassian ship.
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I absolutely agree (and I'm not joking nor fooling around).
Lets face the fact: release the galor as a lockbox ship was a terrible mistake (lockbox ships in general are a terrible mistake).
FED captain -> FED ship
ROM captain -> ROM ship
However, damage done xD
I think the best solution is to rename the old lockbox ships and create new ones for the new faction
Apparently the description for the Galor negates calling it a True Way Galor.
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Cardassian_Galor_Class_Cruiser
So lore wise... these Player Galors are NOT True Way ships, but in fact, surplus Cardassian Union ships.
we have odo-type changelings from new link, vorta clones who remained after the war, alpha quadrant-cloned jem'hadar, and if we throw in cardassians into that it'd already have twice as many races as the romulans do, plus it'd throw in the dominion ships into the mix for some more variation. hell, you could even throw in the breen.
it'd even be fine if they were a sub faction like romulans.
We fight them too. Entire armies spilling out of Volkswagens.
We do our best to fight them off, but they keep sending them in.
Hmm. I wonder how hard it would be for them to change a paragraph of text in an item description. Probably pretty hard
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Maybe Damar was just being generic? Who knows!
First, a Cardashian faction is a horrible idea.
The Borg or Dominion factions would be more appropriate.
Any Borg or Dominion ship in-service would obviously be better than a lockbox variant.
T5-U is gimped if not obsolete anyway so any "value" has already diminished.
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Yea... I don't see it happening. Why is everyone obsessing over a Cardassian faction when they're A: Only allowed a small Defense Force, B: are pretty much a protectorate of the Federation, and C: their iconic ship is a LOCKBOX prize.
Same goes for Dominion. Their ships showed up in lockboxes. They only changed the name of the old Xindi Box to keep it from being confused for the current one. Other than that, NOTHING changed about it or its contents.
Changing the name of the Galor ain't going to solve anything, as its still the EXACT SAME MODEL and the ship was already in the first lockbox. Cryptic said they aren't going to release any faction specific stuff via lockboxes and admitted they shot themselves in the foot in regards to the Galor. They're already having to come up with T6 ships for three factions, now you want them to flesh out yet another faction with T1-6 INCLUDING equivelents to already released specialization T6 ships like the Command Cruisers, Intel ships, and the upcoming Pilot ships, as well as full on hubs, costumes, and faction specific weapons?
One problem: Can't use Phaser, Disruptor, or Plasma as those are already claimed. That leaves Polaron, Tetryon, and Antiproton. None of which the Cardassians EVER used in canon. Romulans can get away with Plasma because of Plasma Torpedoes and Disruptors were already claimed by the KDF. Cardassia just doesn't have the resources to stand alongside the Federatin, Klingons, and Romulans as a major superpower as they aren't a major superpower anymore. And giving this faction access to Spiral Wave Disruptors as their specific weapon is a slap in the face to everyone who got the lockbox Galor which unlocks the beam arrays.