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neoforce42
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I was just thinking that we never seem to be allowed to play as consistent bad guy like in the Romulan faction where we couldn't join the Tal-shiar to hunt down those rebels. :rolleyes:
Then there's infamous Borg who basically don't seem to do much assimilating in space since it would be funny to see a team members ship to get assimilated for a short time in PVE with maybe some sort of counter boarding to help them.
Anyway well been screaming for a Borg faction since the beta, well that might never happen and closest we'll get is by being friends with the Collective but that's not really the same since it's back to being the good guy again. I suspect people maybe seeing a pattern here since a lot probably assumed when the Romulan faction was announced that be stalking the Federation, Klingons a lot but sadly we're being hunted down like prey.
I was thinking maybe STO needs to cater to the people that just want to see everything fall to pieces.
Maybe even destroy/assimilate a planet or 2 in the Delta quadrant, even if it's any generic planet that nobody has heard of.
Then there's infamous Borg who basically don't seem to do much assimilating in space since it would be funny to see a team members ship to get assimilated for a short time in PVE with maybe some sort of counter boarding to help them.
Anyway well been screaming for a Borg faction since the beta, well that might never happen and closest we'll get is by being friends with the Collective but that's not really the same since it's back to being the good guy again. I suspect people maybe seeing a pattern here since a lot probably assumed when the Romulan faction was announced that be stalking the Federation, Klingons a lot but sadly we're being hunted down like prey.
I was thinking maybe STO needs to cater to the people that just want to see everything fall to pieces.
Maybe even destroy/assimilate a planet or 2 in the Delta quadrant, even if it's any generic planet that nobody has heard of. 
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But making the Romulans overpowered was a stroke of brilliance. Even then, most people still pay Fed side.
Being bad is more about what you do. RP and PvP allow you to have more options for your character in terms of expression.
"If this will be our end, then I will have them make SUCH an end as to be worthy of rememberance! Out of torpedos you say?! Find me the ferengi!".
and kdf...
what... I don't know were those orion slavers got those vulcans. I don't even know why anyone wants those pointy eared cold blooded TRIBBLE. and I swear I executed those crew men who raided that ship to get said vulcans.
and RR you get to pick your brand of evil.
and what do you mean a number of my crew are holo hookers... I really must make sure to get a cut.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
So, yeah.....
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
your knowledge shall be assimilated.
obscene gesture, vulcan neck pinch, claps, cheers
But haven't heard the dev's say no to the idea in the past, last I heard was back in the early years they were considering it but obviously that never happened for the Borg. :rolleyes:
As for the Romulans, Klingons sure there are some that do bad things but we as the players don't seem to be allowed to do anything put evil like dooming an entire civilzation just because they didn't give us their ore or w/e trades we want.
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Not even the Borg are 'bad guys' from their own perspective as they believe that assimilation is progress for all species...
Good and bad is always a matter of perspective, and since Star Trek is usually taken from the point of view of the Federation, the Klingons are/were the 'bad guys' depending on what series (or even episodes) you're watching...
Hell, the Andorians, Xindi, and even Vulcans to a lesser degree, were 'bad guys' in Enterprise...
I've probably killed billions by now. I've destroyed untold energy credits worth of property. I've disregarded orders and have sent thousand of my crew to their deaths. I have committed so many war crimes in the name of profit. I've spent years fine tuning builds just to be a more efficient killer.
Right now, many of us are slaying a sentient being, the crystalline entity, instead of attempting to communicate or simply repel it.
Evil is what we all are... wait, it's just the holodeck.
Point is, you are what you decide to be. Why ask the devs to do something that you determine for yourself?
Plus I think we can all agree on what the definition of evil is but it be nice to do something evil for a change, have consequences that impact the player like a moral system like turning rouge from the Federation, becoming part of the Maquis. Even if it's not evil it be nice to become part of a separate faction that's split without their own alternate motives like a Federation that might want to join the Tal-shier or a Klingon that might actually want to join the Federation like Worf or becomes a Undine to infiniltrate the Federation.
Fatman592 has the idea pretty well, we already torture the Crystal Entity frequently.lol
The reason why we have to is because the dev's are the reason why I can't ram my Scitimar into the Earth starbase or destroy Earth with the Poloran..........
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If you were to play as the Tal'Shiar, for instance, your missions would usually involve you sitting around in one place cackling to yourself about how clever your schemes are for a while before a group of player ships showed up to curb stomp you.
Playing as Borg would be worse. You'd create a character and then the game would immediately start playing the game for you.
EDIT: For clarity and spelling
There is no true definition of evil. Armus justified his actions as a form of acting out against his creators. The Borg justify their actions by claiming that the Collective is a perfect society. The Maquis wanted freedom to live on the worlds they settled for decades. The Cardassians believed that they were owed. Klingons simply believe that violence and combat are a part of life and death in battle was an honor and a privilege. The only "evil" in this universe is the Iconians, and even then their motives are quite enigmatic.
Plus. being evil isn't actually all that fun. When you play a game with optional morality, the fun of being bad is because it is unexpected of you to do it. Look at Mass Effect. Commander Shepard is this human hero that everyone respects and adores for his actions against the Reapers. So it's fun when you throat punch a reporter because "lol Hero punches reporter! How wacky and inconceivable!" Then you look at Overlord II, where your options are either be evil or be slightly MORE evil. Then every choice you make doesn't matter. It feels like the game is just humoring you and you just feel like a boob with a sword who's not actually making a statement about how evil he is. You just feel like it's just going through the motions and you start wondering why even bother?
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
Yeah but then you get to the really nasty ones like betraying your very good friend Urdnot Wrex and then killing him when he finds out you metaphorically stabbed him in the back. Notice how all the "lol, Shepard is a jerk" comments turned into "OMG, Shepard is EVIL" after ME3 came out?
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I think that was mostly because of the Starchild.
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
*CLAP*
*CLAP*
*CLAP*
Bravo. Two thumbs up. Remember when Star Trek was about exploring the various possibilities for existence?
I think that happened into TNG for a while... VOY shockingly enough probably had the most.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
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Every villain is a hero in their own mind.
How Could You!
"If this will be our end, then I will have them make SUCH an end as to be worthy of rememberance! Out of torpedos you say?! Find me the ferengi!".
Yeah, but then it got boring and Tribbles started humping and well...here we are.
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
Bull. Unless you're going to claim that the Catalyst was controlling her actions throughout the entire game, if you took that option it means Shepard chose to do that of her own free will.
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Later, he was the chief of all the clans on Tuchenko, when I brought Grunt (no relation) there to find out what was wrong with him. Wrex and I also worked together to get the female krogan back from the salarians, and to defeat the Mother Worm and release Mordin's cure for the genophage.
And "renegade" isn't "evil" - it's "efficient". Sure, Shepard could shame the reporter in front of her millions of viewers (that's the option I usually take) - but shutting her up with a punch is so much faster, and arguably better for her reputation...
No I mean that players hate the Catalyst so much, they would rather believe Shepard is totally evil than admit that the Catalyst was needed to defeat the Reapers.
I will never understand why people think that just because you're human, you can kill just about any evil in the universe.
THEY'RE GIANT FRAKKING ROBOT CUTTLEFISH GOD MACHINES WHO HAVE BEEN HARVESTING LIFE FOR EONS. HOW THE BALLS DO YOU THINK YOUR RAGTAG GROUP OF SPECIES IS GOING TO DEFEAT THEM WITHOUT HELP FROM THE BEING WHO MADE THEM?!
:rolleyes:
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
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True. But evil, like everything else, is in the eye of the beholder.
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Evil = Corneas.
The Borg honestly believe that assimilation is a genuine good, that it brings an end to discord and strife. Sure, you object now, but if you really understood, you'd welcome them.
The Klingons believe that it is only right that the strong rule the weak, and that any ethical system which denies this fails to serve the good. They see the Federation as encouraging weakness, and undermining the warrior ethos.
Even the Tal'Shiar think that protecting the Star Empire is far more important than petty philosophical nonsense about "freedom" or "justice". How far does being "free" and "just" take you when an Orion slaver attacks?
Only children and the mentally disturbed think that being the "bad guy" is a Kewl Thing To Do. In the case of children, it may have to do with the fact that their status as moral actors has been abrogated during their youth, and that at least being self-consciously Evil is asserting some agency over themselves. No society so constituted could long endure, however, as the self-consciously Evil will forever be betraying and destroying one another.