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spielman1spielman1 Member Posts: 1,331 Arc User
edited June 2014 in Federation Discussion
This is to get some kind of vote going for the developers to see how popular this class of ship be to add in the game at some point deadline for me is the Fed year birthday. So we can finally get the Constellation Class in the game vote for it or not. Remember your vote does count so if you vote no and it isn't added don't cry when the players that do want it get mad.Sadly put you will have to type yes or no. Cant figure how to make it click on it.


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  • dareaudareau Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    What makes the Constellation so different than the Stargazer/Cheyenne that's already in game at T3, T5 (Mirror) T5 Retro, T5 Fleet?

    Keep seeing threads for this skin and can't quite figure out what's the deal...
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  • seriousxenoseriousxeno Member Posts: 473 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    The same reason why a Porsche 911 isn't quite the same as a Porsche Boxter, it can be a big deal for people. Besides, the Constellation is a canon ship, just like the Cheyenne and arguably much more popular since Picard's first command was the Stargazer (not to mention other Constellation ships that showed up over time).

    And the Stargazer class in game? A nice tribute to Picard's ship in terms of name but its still a non-canon model that I can't identify with much. The Cheyenne was nothing but background debris and was never used again from what I know. Its a matter of common sense, you shouldn't leave out the most popular variant of a ship type (since there is a demand for it it will sell just fine I'm sure).

    More ship customization is never a bad thing either. The saucer exists already so I don't think it will be that long now.

    On a personal note, it would be nice to see something canon added again after what feels like an onslaught of Cryptic designs. That doesn't mean I dislike them all, but I will always prefer canon over made up.

    If it comes out, I will definitely pick it up :D
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  • capnmanxcapnmanx Member Posts: 1,452 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    dareau wrote: »
    What makes the Constellation so different than the Stargazer/Cheyenne that's already in game at T3, T5 (Mirror) T5 Retro, T5 Fleet?

    Keep seeing threads for this skin and can't quite figure out what's the deal...

    Because it looks different from those; and some people care about that.

    Honestly, having few Fed ships I really like the look of is my biggest gripe with this game right now.
  • pyroopetepyroopete Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    dareau wrote: »
    What makes the Constellation so different than the Stargazer/Cheyenne that's already in game at T3, T5 (Mirror) T5 Retro, T5 Fleet?

    Keep seeing threads for this skin and can't quite figure out what's the deal...

    It's a big part of the series so why shouldn't it be in game? There are quite a few more that I wouldn't mind seeing in the game.
  • altechachanaltechachan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I just really like the motion picture ship designs (ST 1 - 6). Having the Constellation-class even as a low-tier ship skin would complete my set (Miranda, Constitution Refit, Excelsior, Oberth, and now Constellation).
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    dareau wrote: »
    What makes the Constellation so different than the Stargazer/Cheyenne that's already in game at T3, T5 (Mirror) T5 Retro, T5 Fleet?

    Keep seeing threads for this skin and can't quite figure out what's the deal...

    It's like asking what's the difference between the Constitution and the Galaxy, they're basically the same ship after all they both have a saucer, a neck, a lower hull and two nacelles.
  • pweistheworstpweistheworst Member Posts: 986 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Yes, I'd love a Constellation class with a bridge designed after the bridge of the Constellation-class U.S.S. Hathaway from "Peak Performance."

    I love that bridge design with the captain up front and the first officer at the station beside the Captain.

    Sure, good specs and a unique console would be icing on the cake, but I really want the Constellation class in STO. It was one of my favorite ship designs from TNG because it visually connected the movie-era ships with the modern ships of TNG.
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  • willamsheridanwillamsheridan Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    We had a thread about the Constellation and as i wrote there, i would love to see the Constellation as a playable Starship. But not as another Skin for the Cheyene but rather as a standalone Ship class like the Ambassador. They could have made the Ambassador available as a skin for the Galaxy but they did not so why not also another seperate ship class for the Constellation. With stronger hull and shields to match the other cruisers. Some might say that the fleet cruiser is a good ship but it is weaker than "older" designs like Ambassador and Excelsior and no match for them. I want my Fleet cruiser to have at least 42900 Hull so the same as normal fleet cruisers (and still weaker than Ambassador and Galaxy fleet cruisers)

    And the Problem with "canon" ships inthe game is that we have 4209/2410 not 2375. So by now i assume most of those older ship designs should be out of service. Actually from a historical point of view its ridiculous that there are still so many Constitution, Miranda, Excelsior and Ambassador class ships flying around not to mention the original Constitution and NX class. i love all the newer designs like the Bellerophon, Armitage, Regent, Venture Sao Paulo and the others because they look lik e we are in 2409
  • overlapooverlapo Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Isn't "Captain Picard's Day" this week? If the Constellation is coming out any time soon it has to be this week.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited June 2014
    overlapo wrote: »
    Isn't "Captain Picard's Day" this week? If the Constellation is coming out any time soon it has to be this week.

    It's on Monday.
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  • masterkampmasterkamp Member Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    i heard that the devs where busy with constellation. besides there was a early constellation saucer in the game for constamization. would be nice to have it ingame. and hopefully with the picard manouver.
  • wildweasalwildweasal Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    ATTENTION!!! how do i know what follows ? shutup and dont ask so many questions it will make me think your a romulan MONDAY is capt picard day on that day the constellation will be released ........END OF THREAD........... discussion over............now sit back sip some earl grey tea ...............and wait...and while you wait ask yourself this ......will there be a free version ??? will there be a 3 pack c store version ?? or both ?? will it simply be a skin?? will be completely redone like the fleet patrol escort ? will it be crappy just to get the ship geeks to shut up??? its coming next week question is what will it be?
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  • yreodredyreodred Member Posts: 3,527 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I wouldn't hold my breath for a Constellation Class on Monday, Cryptic has too often proven to be a letdown.

    Don't get me wrong my Main flys a Fleet Heavy Cruiser Retrofit and i love that little ship, since STO came out.
    I have seen that additional Saucer and i still don't get why they had to remove itagain from the Game. It's not like they where concerned about creating high quality ship models in the first place :rolleyes:, just look at the G-R and the G-X ship models for instance.

    My hope is that they release something similar like the Tempest Class. A new BOFF/Console Layout for the Heavy Cruiser Retro as well as a new ship model.
    But again i wouldn't hold my breath.
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    spielman1 wrote: »
    This is to get some kind of vote going for the developers to see how popular this class of ship be to add in the game at some point deadline for me is the Fed year birthday. So we can finally get the Constellation Class in the game vote for it or not. Remember your vote does count so if you vote no and it isn't added don't cry when the players that do want it get mad.Sadly put you will have to type yes or no. Cant figure how to make it click on it.

    A) Somebody didn't read the forum rules. Polls, petitions, and votes are against the Terms of Service.

    B) The Constellation-class was canonically considered a bucket of ****ing bolts back when Picard commanded one, and that is by Picard's own admission. It is now 60+ years later. Do the math.
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  • yreodredyreodred Member Posts: 3,527 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    starswordc wrote: »
    ...

    B) The Constellation-class was canonically considered a bucket of ****ing bolts back when Picard commanded one, and that is by Picard's own admission. It is now 60+ years later. Do the math.

    Well i think the Heavy Cruiser family (including a theorethical Constellation Class) are new build ships, similar as comparable Klingon ships for instance.

    A (theorethical) Constellation Class would be just like that, a replica in the worst case or a brand new ship filled with state of the art equipment in any other case.
    Basicly ships like that only resemble the Saucer/Hull/Nacelle configuration of the original ships, nothing else.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    starswordc wrote: »
    A) Somebody didn't read the forum rules. Polls, petitions, and votes are against the Terms of Service.

    B) The Constellation-class was canonically considered a bucket of ****ing bolts back when Picard commanded one, and that is by Picard's own admission. It is now 60+ years later. Do the math.

    That is irrelevant. If it was on-screen, put it in the game. STO does not follow any particular rhyme or reason, each and every ship can be any tier and can beat any opponent. I think if it's canon it should be in-game. The Constellation I personally would like to see as a skin/console pack gimmick, given away for a special mission.

    Constellation skin for all heavy cruiser variants on the character, a picard manoeuvre console slotable on the heavy cruiser variants, the galaxy variants and the sovereign variants (since Picard and all ;)) and a "Picard manoeuvre" emote for your character (you know which one ;) ). That would be something neat for a special event holiday :)
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    yreodred wrote: »
    Well i think the Heavy Cruiser family (including a theorethical Constellation Class) are new build ships, similar as comparable Klingon ships for instance.

    A (theorethical) Constellation Class would be just like that, a replica in the worst case or a brand new ship filled with state of the art equipment in any other case.
    Basicly ships like that only resemble the Saucer/Hull/Nacelle configuration of the original ships, nothing else.

    STO does not know time and space. I personally do think a explanation like "we build replicas of old starships" hurts more than it helps. Just like the non-existant uniform code for players it's simply a gameplay feature Cryptic chose to implement and it should stay this way. I'm all for TOS/TMP ships at T5 because it's a Star Trek theme park and I like seeing actual Star Trek ships in my STF grind :)
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    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • altechachanaltechachan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Why can't we all just be happy when we see the Constellation in-game no matter how Cryptic does it?
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Why can't we all just be happy when we see the Constellation in-game no matter how Cryptic does it?

    Because some of us are still clinging to that apparently antiquated notion that things in this game should make some semblance of logical sense.
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    starswordc wrote: »
    B) The Constellation-class was canonically considered a bucket of ****ing bolts back when Picard commanded one, and that is by Picard's own admission. It is now 60+ years later. Do the math.

    "Canonically" in this case means that you interpret "overworked" and "underpowered" as meaning "bucket of ****ing bolts".:rolleyes:
  • altechachanaltechachan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    starswordc wrote: »
    Because some of us are still clinging to that apparently antiquated notion that things in this game should make some semblance of logical sense.

    I kinda let logic go once I understood that STO would be about hitting as many nostalgia feelings as possible in the fan community. The best that I can hope for is consistency.
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    misterde3 wrote: »
    "Canonically" in this case means that you interpret "overworked" and "underpowered" as meaning "bucket of ****ing bolts".:rolleyes:

    Well, how the hell else are you supposed to interpret it? In case you haven't noticed, the Federation is fighting wars on 90% of its borders. That is not the time to be digging a ship out of mothballs that was "overworked and underpowered and constantly in danger of falling apart at the seams" 70-odd years ago.

    Militaries don't do things for nostalgia value.
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  • altechachanaltechachan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    starswordc wrote: »
    Well, how the hell else are you supposed to interpret it? In case you haven't noticed, the Federation is fighting wars on 90% of its borders. That is not the time to be digging a ship out of mothballs that was "overworked and underpowered and constantly in danger of falling apart at the seams" 70-odd years ago.

    Militaries don't do things for nostalgia value.

    Actually, that could be a neat side-effect of the anticipated Picard Maneuver console/power.

    Just like the Excelsior's transwarp engine, there is a 10%-ish chance that it would fail. Except in this case, instead of a "klonking" noise and no transwarp it is your Constellation-class ship exploding spectacularly.
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    most likely to be another tier 3 refit, and only useable at end game because the fleet and mirror heavy exists. that would mean any ship can slot the picard maneuver console. seeing as nether of those ship are powerhouses what so ever, its a perfectly reasonable place for a playable constellation to be.

    though if it turns out to be its own tier 5 thing, that would be cool too. call it a survey cruiser or something, and let it use all the heavy cruiser costumes, and vice versa on the heavy.
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