We have them already. They're called Ferasans. Cryptic couldn't get the license for the Kzinti from Larry Niven's estate or something so they made the Ferasans as replacements.
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However, if you could change, rotate or replace either the Klingon Defense Force and/or the Romulan Republic, which factions (or alliances) would you go with in their stead?
I would replace the KDF with the Romulan Empire and the Romulan Republic with the KDF as a fraction allied with Fed.
Upgrading the Republic to the Empire is easy, just have D'Tan be reviled as an Undine by Sela who met with a faction of Iconians who showed her everything that Hakeev had done to "appease" the other Iconians. They could say that Sela had no idea what Hakeev and the Tal'shiar under his command where doing behind her back and was crapping bricks of rage when she found out about the Elachi breeding program. Once she was in power she would cut of many ties to the FED and KDF, leaving the Dyson sphere open to them for her own reasons.
She would mandate the Romulans "come home" to form their own fleets with their own starbases and allow "visitations to the other powers via a Diplomacy/Marauding setup.
Keep the Romulans. Throw out the KDF in a suitably brutal manner, probably involving the Hur'q and getting massacred while pleading for mercy like the useless cowards they are. And replace them with:
THOLIAAAAAAAAAAANS
And you can give them whatever Mirror species you want, since that's not all that clearly defined and they obviously have a major presence there. So, like, Mirror Breen or something.
Oh and as for the KDF after the destruction of Qo'noS: they splinter into a couple of factions, the pirates that they really always were, and a legitimate faction headed by the Ferasans and Letheans.
Romulans are destined to rule the stars. You Federation types will also fall beneath the raptor's wings, after the Klingons petition for membership in the New Romulan Republic, at the behest of the Orions. Then there will be only one faction: Romulan. A glorious day that shall be!
What, the day all the half-faction Romulans and the Klingons both have to ally with the Federation at level 11? :P
Keep the Romulans. Throw out the KDF in a suitably brutal manner, probably involving the Hur'q and getting massacred while pleading for mercy like the useless cowards they are. And replace them with:
THOLIAAAAAAAAAAANS
And you can give them whatever Mirror species you want, since that's not all that clearly defined and they obviously have a major presence there. So, like, Mirror Breen or something.
Oh and as for the KDF after the destruction of Qo'noS: they splinter into a couple of factions, the pirates that they really always were, and a legitimate faction headed by the Ferasans and Letheans.
A group that maybe had less than a handful of appearances throughout the entirety of the Star Trek IP doesn't rate being a full faction if the major ones are having trouble being fleshed out.
I think Cryptic are onto something with this mini-faction idea, I think it can go further.
So first thing I'd do, just to make the masses happy, is change the Romulan faction into a full one - and into the Star Empire. I would also keep the KDF and the Federation as they are pretty much.
The main change would be to introduce a mini-faction to all 3 of them. Give them a unique tutorial and perhaps a single collection of episodes before going on main faction content, and from there the cut n' paste stuff. They wouldn't get as much as a full faction member in terms of unique ships or kit, but then they have the alignment choice to balance that out.
So for the Star Empire the choice is obvious, Remans. It would be interested to have a player treated as a second class citizen to begin with and gain respect from Romulans as they progress through that starter content. Then the player can decide to stay and build on their reputation, or go elsewhere to be treated as an equal.
The KDF can have the Gorn Hegemony. It could begin during one of those uprisings you run into as a Doff mission. Will they stay loyal to the Empire and in a part the Hegemony? Or seek asylum in the Star Empire or the Federation?
The Federation could have an interesting one. Mirror Terrans. I can see it being possible that a small group of them are trapped in this universe after a botched invasion attempt, so they decide to seek out aid from the Federation for survivals sake. Then they could either betray them and run off to someone else, or try to start anew within the Federation.
Other possible mini factions can include the Orion Syndicate and the Cardiassians. But bearing in mind existing assets I think these 3 are the best place to start...not that it'll ever happen of course.
Ferengi: They seem to be making out like bandits in terms of the game, so surely they would do quite well as such as a faction. Plus...just love the D'kora
Q Continuum: Just because
Letheans: I love my Lethean tac, and would love to see what they could do. (Or at least give us a Lethean ship to fly)
Dominion proper: Seriously, they could be focused entirely in the Gamma Quadrant, practically be a whole new game, no pesky dealings with the Borg or Undine, just stuff there.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
I think Cryptic are onto something with this mini-faction idea, I think it can go further.
So first thing I'd do, just to make the masses happy, is change the Romulan faction into a full one - and into the Star Empire.
Yeah, no. There is a small minority of very vocal Tal'Shiar-lovers and/or imperialists. They do not represent the bulk of the players of Romulan characters in this game. One can determine their motivations by a fairly brief perusal of their posts, in which they talk about how the Remans ought to be slave labor, and how "arrogant" and "xenophobic" the Romulans "should" be, and they imagine that they would have greater freedom if they were playing Tal'Shiar agents. Seriously. Even though the Tal'Shiar leadership has demonstrated incompetence and an appreciation only for sycophants among their underlings. I say let them have their beloved Tal'Shiar and Empire for 2 weeks, and make it as realistic as it should be, so they would quickly learn what a foolish thing they have advocated; if they're really happy being abused and mocked at every turn, denied any variation in crew makeup, prohibited from making their own decisions, etc, then by all means, let them stay there, but don't give them Reputation, don't give them any joint missions with the Feds, KDF, or NRR, and most of all, make their imperial existence as mind-numbingly oppressive as possible. Meanwhile, the rest of us will carry on in the Republic, happy with our freedom.
Yes, the Tholians have shown up only a few times. And yet somehow, in their three or so appearances, they have managed to outshine the Klingons, Romulans, Starfleet, and basically everyone else by full orders of magnitude. Why? Because they're NOT HUMANOIDS, that's why. Same reason the Founders are awesome. Same reason the Undine are awesome. Because they're...you know...aliens. The main reason I consider them better than the Founders and Undine is just because of their color scheme and general aesthetic.
I don't really want to play as D'Tan's Republic, Sela and Hakeev's Tal'Shiar. I would like to play as Obisek's Reman Resistance, or an Imperial Remnant lead by Taris.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I don't really want to play as D'Tan's Republic, Sela and Hakeev's Tal'Shiar. I would like to play as Obisek's Reman Resistance, or an Imperial Remnant lead by Taris.
D'Tan and his merry band is neither here or there. For they must appear everywhere. It is indeed more natural to seek something with an actual identity. The only way to feel free.
Gotta be the feds. Useless bridge officers, heavily combat oriented level up missions seem wrong, inability to farm dil & contraband, and lame ships that look like a pizza cutter and turn slightly faster than planet earth.
The only way the federation would make sense in this world is with NPCs running the faction so they can go back to being pacificsts. With humans playing them, there *has* to be combat because its a combat oriented game.
I still don't get that argument. In-game, the New Dominion is growing it's own Alpha Jem'Hadar. What's to stop a Cardassian faction from doing the same? It's already noted that despite their rigorous conditioning, Jem'Hadar aren't blindly loyal to the founders.
From a development point of view, it's probably the only way that they'd ever be a playable species.
Maybe because the Jem'hadar killed millions of them ? Or because they used the Cardassian as cannon fodder ? They even tried to destroy their entire world. Sure they were acting on Founders orders, but still, you don't build friendship that way.
As for the faction, I think the big 3 (fed/kdf/rom) are the most important of the IP. At least during STO time. Cardassia is pretty much rebuilding and not a major power anymore (they never really were until the Dominion came anyway). The Dominion is back in the gamma quadrant and is not messing with the alpha quadrant anymore. The others are minor factions.
Now, I wish they make the Romulan more as a faction and less as a money grab. I don't care if they have D'Tan as a ruler, and fight the Tal Shiar, since it makes sense IMO. I just want them as an Empire, and not as the fed/kdf bullies.
I would have had an Orion Syndicate faction made up of Orions, Nausiccans, Letheans, Cardassian mercenaries and a few other races. They would have had a separate story dealing with the underworld of Star Trek. Like the Romulans you can make alliances with Fed or KDF acting as privateers. But, that's just wishful thinking.
Yeah, no. There is a small minority of very vocal Tal'Shiar-lovers and/or imperialists. They do not represent the bulk of the players of Romulan characters in this game. One can determine their motivations by a fairly brief perusal of their posts, in which they talk about how the Remans ought to be slave labor, and how "arrogant" and "xenophobic" the Romulans "should" be, and they imagine that they would have greater freedom if they were playing Tal'Shiar agents. Seriously. Even though the Tal'Shiar leadership has demonstrated incompetence and an appreciation only for sycophants among their underlings. I say let them have their beloved Tal'Shiar and Empire for 2 weeks, and make it as realistic as it should be, so they would quickly learn what a foolish thing they have advocated; if they're really happy being abused and mocked at every turn, denied any variation in crew makeup, prohibited from making their own decisions, etc, then by all means, let them stay there, but don't give them Reputation, don't give them any joint missions with the Feds, KDF, or NRR, and most of all, make their imperial existence as mind-numbingly oppressive as possible. Meanwhile, the rest of us will carry on in the Republic, happy with our freedom.
I am sorry to break it to you Proto but you are the vocal minority in this case. Fun side note: actually the Tal Shiar were allowed a whole lot of leeway so I wouldn't suffer so much as Tovan Khev would suffer... alot.
I am sorry to break it to you Proto but you are the vocal minority in this case. Fun side note: actually the Tal Shiar were allowed a whole lot of leeway so I wouldn't suffer so much as Tovan Khev would suffer... alot.
well they could have built on a federation romulan Klingon cardassian kinda alliance(fallout from the ds9 dominion war). gave them their individuality but called them an alliance. to me the kdf in this game is a bit of a mess. gorn, naussicans etc are all cool but I think bounding them in the kdf was a bad idea. it's like trying to make them in to an alternate united federation of planets.
so if I was to rewrite sto history. then I would have started with them 4 factions but all allied.
The only way the federation would make sense in this world is with NPCs running the faction so they can go back to being pacificsts. With humans playing them, there *has* to be combat because its a combat oriented game.
Good point. I suppose though that technically players represent Starfleet, and not the Federation as a whole. I dunno, I've always seen that difference to be pretty blurry.
It would make more sense if the players, being in Starfleet, would spend far more time being defensive and not so aggressive. There is still plenty of room for combat in the right situations, like escorting/defending Federation science/diplomatic ships and personnel, evacuating or emergency aid in war torn planets...stuff like that.
Instead the Feds spend most of their time waging war.
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She would mandate the Romulans "come home" to form their own fleets with their own starbases and allow "visitations to the other powers via a Diplomacy/Marauding setup.
Go ahead poke holes in this.
THOLIAAAAAAAAAAANS
And you can give them whatever Mirror species you want, since that's not all that clearly defined and they obviously have a major presence there. So, like, Mirror Breen or something.
Oh and as for the KDF after the destruction of Qo'noS: they splinter into a couple of factions, the pirates that they really always were, and a legitimate faction headed by the Ferasans and Letheans.
What, the day all the half-faction Romulans and the Klingons both have to ally with the Federation at level 11? :P
A group that maybe had less than a handful of appearances throughout the entirety of the Star Trek IP doesn't rate being a full faction if the major ones are having trouble being fleshed out.
The Tholians don't even deserve being a footnote.
So first thing I'd do, just to make the masses happy, is change the Romulan faction into a full one - and into the Star Empire. I would also keep the KDF and the Federation as they are pretty much.
The main change would be to introduce a mini-faction to all 3 of them. Give them a unique tutorial and perhaps a single collection of episodes before going on main faction content, and from there the cut n' paste stuff. They wouldn't get as much as a full faction member in terms of unique ships or kit, but then they have the alignment choice to balance that out.
So for the Star Empire the choice is obvious, Remans. It would be interested to have a player treated as a second class citizen to begin with and gain respect from Romulans as they progress through that starter content. Then the player can decide to stay and build on their reputation, or go elsewhere to be treated as an equal.
The KDF can have the Gorn Hegemony. It could begin during one of those uprisings you run into as a Doff mission. Will they stay loyal to the Empire and in a part the Hegemony? Or seek asylum in the Star Empire or the Federation?
The Federation could have an interesting one. Mirror Terrans. I can see it being possible that a small group of them are trapped in this universe after a botched invasion attempt, so they decide to seek out aid from the Federation for survivals sake. Then they could either betray them and run off to someone else, or try to start anew within the Federation.
Other possible mini factions can include the Orion Syndicate and the Cardiassians. But bearing in mind existing assets I think these 3 are the best place to start...not that it'll ever happen of course.
Q Continuum: Just because
Letheans: I love my Lethean tac, and would love to see what they could do. (Or at least give us a Lethean ship to fly)
Dominion proper: Seriously, they could be focused entirely in the Gamma Quadrant, practically be a whole new game, no pesky dealings with the Borg or Undine, just stuff there.
Yeah, no. There is a small minority of very vocal Tal'Shiar-lovers and/or imperialists. They do not represent the bulk of the players of Romulan characters in this game. One can determine their motivations by a fairly brief perusal of their posts, in which they talk about how the Remans ought to be slave labor, and how "arrogant" and "xenophobic" the Romulans "should" be, and they imagine that they would have greater freedom if they were playing Tal'Shiar agents. Seriously. Even though the Tal'Shiar leadership has demonstrated incompetence and an appreciation only for sycophants among their underlings. I say let them have their beloved Tal'Shiar and Empire for 2 weeks, and make it as realistic as it should be, so they would quickly learn what a foolish thing they have advocated; if they're really happy being abused and mocked at every turn, denied any variation in crew makeup, prohibited from making their own decisions, etc, then by all means, let them stay there, but don't give them Reputation, don't give them any joint missions with the Feds, KDF, or NRR, and most of all, make their imperial existence as mind-numbingly oppressive as possible. Meanwhile, the rest of us will carry on in the Republic, happy with our freedom.
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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D'Tan and his merry band is neither here or there. For they must appear everywhere. It is indeed more natural to seek something with an actual identity. The only way to feel free.
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The only way the federation would make sense in this world is with NPCs running the faction so they can go back to being pacificsts. With humans playing them, there *has* to be combat because its a combat oriented game.
As for the faction, I think the big 3 (fed/kdf/rom) are the most important of the IP. At least during STO time. Cardassia is pretty much rebuilding and not a major power anymore (they never really were until the Dominion came anyway). The Dominion is back in the gamma quadrant and is not messing with the alpha quadrant anymore. The others are minor factions.
Now, I wish they make the Romulan more as a faction and less as a money grab. I don't care if they have D'Tan as a ruler, and fight the Tal Shiar, since it makes sense IMO. I just want them as an Empire, and not as the fed/kdf bullies.
I am sorry to break it to you Proto but you are the vocal minority in this case. Fun side note: actually the Tal Shiar were allowed a whole lot of leeway so I wouldn't suffer so much as Tovan Khev would suffer... alot.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=16025011#post16025011
so if I was to rewrite sto history. then I would have started with them 4 factions but all allied.
Good point. I suppose though that technically players represent Starfleet, and not the Federation as a whole. I dunno, I've always seen that difference to be pretty blurry.
It would make more sense if the players, being in Starfleet, would spend far more time being defensive and not so aggressive. There is still plenty of room for combat in the right situations, like escorting/defending Federation science/diplomatic ships and personnel, evacuating or emergency aid in war torn planets...stuff like that.
Instead the Feds spend most of their time waging war.