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realminirealmini Member Posts: 243 Arc User
edited March 2014 in PvP Gameplay
one time they said theyddo something, and they did it. on tribble, i am testing it to check the stats... seems legit.

MOAR POWER KDF

//oh and 10% hp to bops

TRIBBLE yeah.
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  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Seems crazy but it might actually make sense

    BOPs killing everybody, means
    Let everybody use ET/ST for panic healing, means
    Escorts cant kill anything except BOPS

    So raiders raid, cruisers cruise, and escorts escort

    Where is sci? scanning something
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 8,993 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Seems crazy but it might actually make sense

    BOPs killing everybody, means
    Let everybody use ET/ST for panic healing, means
    Escorts cant kill anything except BOPS

    So raiders raid, cruisers cruise, and escorts escort

    Where is sci? scanning something

    Using tricorders to look for Epohhs.
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  • realminirealmini Member Posts: 243 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    after several test runs on tribble i happily report a hefty increase in appliable dmg thanks to flanking for kdf raider. altho at first not seemingly noticeable, there is indeed a definitive bonus to damage. Ofc it is no where near 18% on top of an alpha since diminishing returns, but it secures the place of kdf bop as supreme damage delivery vessel.

    qapla
  • therealmttherealmt Member Posts: 428 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    gg TRIBBLE the undead. lol

    anyway there is and never has been any diminishing return on flat damage numbers stacked. from what ive read its still 10% flat on flanking no? still nice buff to bops.

    too bad this game is so **** that every buff or nerf affects 10 other aspects of the game, lets revamp the defiant tomorrow, and the super haxed new galaxy is nerfed to shreds again thats how it works in this game ;)
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  • realminirealmini Member Posts: 243 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    therealmt wrote: »
    gg TRIBBLE the undead. lol

    hide ur bumms, too bad u spent all the time on fed roms instead of kdf true bloods. u are the weakest klink: goodbye
  • therealmttherealmt Member Posts: 428 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    realmini wrote: »
    hide ur bumms, too bad u spent all the time on fed roms instead of kdf true bloods. u are the weakest klink: goodbye

    u wish bruh

    yours sincerly
    TRIBBLE


    ps. lets do 1v1 in mwo k? :p
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  • realminirealmini Member Posts: 243 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    therealmt wrote: »
    u wish bruh

    yours sincerly
    TRIBBLE


    ps. lets do 1v1 in mwo k? :p

    break out your bug ship and die with honor haxman
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I forget where the Flanking bonus fits in - whether it was base or non-base (before or after weapon power for energy weapons). I only grabbed the Plesh Brek on one buy but didn't open it. So does that +8.3% vs. players work like a standard 2pc +7.6% bonus (or even a Tac console) or does it work like EPtW does?

    The additional +10% on the Ambush though is pretty nifty.

    Just a case of trying to figure out where to drop the +8.3% in the maths...

    ...is it +10.79 damage before buffs like EPtW, etc...or is it there with the EPtW, basically meaning we're getting a +18.3% to Ambush and then a pseudo +8.3% EPtW outside of Ambush?

    Do weapon tooltips adjust if you're behind a target while you've got them targeted?

    I guess I could look, but I'm feeling majorly lazy...
  • realminirealmini Member Posts: 243 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I forget where the Flanking bonus fits in - whether it was base or non-base (before or after weapon power for energy weapons). I only grabbed the Plesh Brek on one buy but didn't open it. So does that +8.3% vs. players work like a standard 2pc +7.6% bonus (or even a Tac console) or does it work like EPtW does?

    The additional +10% on the Ambush though is pretty nifty.

    Just a case of trying to figure out where to drop the +8.3% in the maths...

    ...is it +10.79 damage before buffs like EPtW, etc...or is it there with the EPtW, basically meaning we're getting a +18.3% to Ambush and then a pseudo +8.3% EPtW outside of Ambush?

    Do weapon tooltips adjust if you're behind a target while you've got them targeted?

    I guess I could look, but I'm feeling majorly lazy...

    the tooltip doesnt adjust but the outcome generated via log is generally higher as expected. however the great variation possible in attacks generally, makes it hard to nail down the exact relevance of flanking without repeated tests. ie: I had hits from front higher with same buffload as some flanked, but my greatest hit overall was one flanked. And generally the damage seemed in line with expected buff, Im seeing consistent 50k+ protons base non gdf, whereas before 50k was peak> using hosus 4 proton/allbeam rep consoles
  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    One more terrible change to ensure no one ever Ques for FvK. Thanks Cryptic. After multiple stupid kdf stuffz instead of proper balancing you have continued to ensure FvK is a ghost town. Or filled with farmers for 3-4 hours a day.

    Ok back to grinding stuffz to craft my celestrial set now. lol
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    One more terrible change to ensure no one ever Ques for FvK. Thanks Cryptic. After multiple stupid kdf stuffz instead of proper balancing you have continued to ensure FvK is a ghost town. Or filled with farmers for 3-4 hours a day.

    Ok back to grinding stuffz to craft my celestrial set now. lol

    RvB...RvB...RvB...RvB the queues! ;)

    Each time you mention the armor, it leaves me wondering if Cryptic might not have been better off with the Spelljammer IP instead of the Star Trek IP.
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    One more terrible change to ensure no one ever Ques for FvK. Thanks Cryptic. After multiple stupid kdf stuffz instead of proper balancing you have continued to ensure FvK is a ghost town. Or filled with farmers for 3-4 hours a day.

    Ok back to grinding stuffz to craft my celestrial set now. lol

    im still significantly less fearful of these bops then i am of a proper all superior rom boff warbird.


    i am quite glad the bops got thrown their bone though finally, time to dust off that norgh
  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    im still significantly less fearful of these bops then i am of a proper all superior rom boff warbird.


    i am quite glad the bops got thrown their bone though finally, time to dust off that norgh

    There is part of me that is glad to see the change as well... don't get me wrong bops needed a buff bad... I just think it should have ended with + hull and shields. If they really needed more dps give them the third rear weapon slot they should have always had, and throw in a Tac Ensign to give them the proper number of boff skills/seats.

    My issue is once again this is one more "Reason" for feds to NOT que for FvK. Just like the first wave of BS click consoles... and leech consoles. Then there was the OP nature of klink pets for a long while. After all that cra.. er junk.. They then threw E Disruptors into the game.

    It all equals a mix of in fact OP (E Disruptors)... and just as bad for the FvK que, the perceived OP which will now be the bop flank dmg bonus.

    Bad enough the klink roms are decloaking with -25% shield debuffs... now the regular klink bop vapers are decloaking with at least +15% dmg. It all equals dead ques... or pop for matches where the fed side is honestly only there to loose fast.

    Thanks Cryptic for continuing the KGP... Klingon Genocide Program. I am not sure which program they are pushing harder the PGP or the KGP or perhaps they are equal. I would have to say they seem to be ramping it up though.
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  • jmaster29jmaster29 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Using tricorders to look for Epohhs.

    That's what I don't get. A 'legendary' officer of Starfleet, a Warrior that has saved the Empire many times, and someone who rebuilt an Empire from scratch. Are they out there helping civilians? no. Are they destroying there foes? no. What are they doing? Tagging Bunnies.
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  • realminirealmini Member Posts: 243 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    There is part of me that is glad to see the change as well... don't get me wrong bops needed a buff bad... I just think it should have ended with + hull and shields. If they really needed more dps give them the third rear weapon slot they should have always had, and throw in a Tac Ensign to give them the proper number of boff skills/seats.

    My issue is once again this is one more "Reason" for feds to NOT que for FvK. Just like the first wave of BS click consoles... and leech consoles. Then there was the OP nature of klink pets for a long while. After all that cra.. er junk.. They then threw E Disruptors into the game.

    It all equals a mix of in fact OP (E Disruptors)... and just as bad for the FvK que, the perceived OP which will now be the bop flank dmg bonus.

    Bad enough the klink roms are decloaking with -25% shield debuffs... now the regular klink bop vapers are decloaking with at least +15% dmg. It all equals dead ques... or pop for matches where the fed side is honestly only there to loose fast.

    Thanks Cryptic for continuing the KGP... Klingon Genocide Program. I am not sure which program they are pushing harder the PGP or the KGP or perhaps they are equal. I would have to say they seem to be ramping it up though.

    words of a true fed! way to paint a sad picture on the best change for kdf since launch
  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    realmini wrote: »
    words of a true fed! way to paint a sad picture on the best change for kdf since launch

    You can true fed me like it should hurt all you like. You know I'm right though. What ever if you enjoy blowing up people that are hardly trying to stop you have at it. I stopped playing my klinks seriously because it was a joke. Sad but true... not my fault 100% Cryptics choice to destroy the faction.
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  • realminirealmini Member Posts: 243 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    You can true fed me like it should hurt all you like. You know I'm right though. What ever if you enjoy blowing up people that are hardly trying to stop you have at it. I stopped playing my klinks seriously because it was a joke. Sad but true... not my fault 100% Cryptics choice to destroy the faction.

    i enjoy killing people no matter what THEYRE doing becus of what i managed to pull off, been playign that way since tricobalt days: killing the healer solo while the rest of the team chain snbs one squish target.

    the faction lives on whether ur a part of house of critz sad pandas or rzr fleet, kdf will never die
  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    realmini wrote: »
    i enjoy killing people no matter what THEYRE doing becus of what i managed to pull off, been playign that way since tricobalt days: killing the healer solo while the rest of the team chain snbs one squish target.

    the faction lives on whether ur a part of house of critz sad pandas or rzr fleet, kdf will never die

    It already happened 2 years ago sadly. I wish it wasn't so... everyone that plays klingon knows its true. Our klink ques pop once per hour at best and 50/50 you will be playing against people farming there 3 arena looses for some Dilithium.

    I am not claiming what you or any one playing klink is in fact playing OP anything. Which is not true at all... It is however how the average Fed player quing for FvK sees the game.

    I can't possibly agree with this buff to bops... because it is something not replicated on the fed side that = pure DMG. Which will lead to perception issues. Bops should have got the proper amount of hull shields and weapon slots. That would have achieved the aim of buffing bops with out giving people something else to QQ about.

    I'm sure you will be able to break 100k with your silly gear shot now though... so hey the posts in Opvp will look great. ;)
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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    this makes me laugh you feds cry over us kdf bops getting a VERY SMALL buff yet you feds have the fed only TDF console that mixed with epta skill can see and detect cloaked ships over 25km away,

    Your confusing what we are stating as perception as being an actual fact.

    No the faction ships are all TRIBBLE... even 10% boost to base stats and a little bonus to flank dmg won't make any difference. The Klink faction is still less.

    The issue is the perception and its why you can't get a good match as a Klink anymore. Its been that way for 2 years at least... because cryptic things balancing Klinks revolves around klink specific gear or ship mechanics... instead of just realizing they should be a perfect mirror with flavor. Really admit it how many matches do you enter as a Klink in the ques where the games half decent feds are there ? Almost never right. Ditto for kerrat... there are a small handful of people that go there on there feds that are competent, the rest are there for the pve trinkets... a chunk of them are not even aware there in a pvp zone. lol
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  • twamtwam Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I actually have the most fun in (pug) queued FvK matches. FvF tends to be a steamroll event more often, these days, because that is where the premades are. Since they generally don't bother with FvK anymore and still a small number of decent players join, it's been getting more and more balanced in terms of player skill, the last 3-6 months, I think. Also because a number of good KDF players went Romulan Fed, I guess, distributing the wealth of experience with cloaking ships a bit.

    It's just a pity it sometimes takes a long time before a queue pops and that you sometimes get dropped into an arena match with just 1 opponent, but I guess that's a system error and/or due to small numbers of players queueing.

    That's my perception anyway, during Euro late afternoons/evenings.
  • rudiefix1rudiefix1 Member Posts: 420
    edited March 2014
    c&h is also still fun
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  • redsnake721redsnake721 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I agree BOP's needed a boost to survivability but to give them more alpha strike damage output is pretty unnecessary. This is going to have a big impact on F vs K arena and C&H queues and empty out Kerrat in the long run. Every Klink and their Targ will be in Kerratt trying to get insta-kills on every target they see. Cryptic always fails to see the big picture when they make these kind of changes.
  • twamtwam Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Every Klink and their Targ will be in Kerratt trying to get insta-kills on every target they see. Cryptic always fails to see the big picture when they make these kind of changes.

    How is this different from the current situation? Or what the Romulans are doing, on both sides?

    *shrug*

    When playing my Feds, so far the real danger came from Romulan vapers, not KDF's, generally, maybe we'll see both competing for kills again.
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    twam wrote: »
    How is this different from the current situation? Or what the Romulans are doing, on both sides?

    *shrug*

    When playing my Feds, so far the real danger came from Romulan vapers, not KDF's, generally, maybe we'll see both competing for kills again.

    agreed, this really only brings BOPs into Rom levels, and even then they are still weaker hull and shield
  • wolverine595959wolverine595959 Member Posts: 726
    edited March 2014
    twam wrote: »
    How is this different from the current situation? Or what the Romulans are doing, on both sides?

    *shrug*

    When playing my Feds, so far the real danger came from Romulan vapers, not KDF's, generally, maybe we'll see both competing for kills again.


    This

    Given most the people that are playing KDF are trying use variations of current builds from the Rom side to keep the KDF relevant. It is funny how the KDF is still the most feared (perceived), and most of the Queues are full of FRoms V Fed, and the Roms are more flagrant but yet is loved more than the KDF. I guess it maybe time to dust off my 2nd KDF Tac and BoP him.
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  • wolverine595959wolverine595959 Member Posts: 726
    edited March 2014
    So...at first we poor Feds had to deal with the terrific Bops...then was the turn of the overpowered KRommie vapers...
    Now we have to fight against both at the same time!:eek:
    No comment otherwise the evul Devs will throw me out of the forum...:mad:

    No Sympathy considering the fleet of pretty much superior specialized ships at your disposal. :D
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  • wolverine595959wolverine595959 Member Posts: 726
    edited March 2014
    Yeah, yeah...superior specialized ships to contact other civilizations and establish diplomatic relations...:mad:

    OK Superior Specialized ships when compared to KDF. :D
    Hey I Used to be Captain Data, well I guess I still am in game but the account link really screwed everything up :rolleyes:
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