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otakuboytotakuboyt Member Posts: 2 Arc User
Can we get fleet versions of our vet ships?

+10% Shields and Hull

Swap Tac and Uni at Commander and Lt Comm levels

Either + Tac Console or add a hangar slot.

The Peghqu' has Battle Cloak (FTW!) Starfleet should have some thing to even it.

Of course, it would only be available to Vets
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  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    otakuboyt wrote: »
    Can we get fleet versions of our vet ships?

    +10% Shields and Hull

    Swap Tac and Uni at Commander and Lt Comm levels

    Either + Tac Console or add a hangar slot.

    The Peghqu' has Battle Cloak (FTW!) Starfleet should have some thing to even it.

    Of course, it would only be available to Vets

    No. You may not.
    It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once. B)
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 6,727 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    otakuboyt wrote: »
    Can we get fleet versions of our vet ships?

    +10% Shields and Hull

    Swap Tac and Uni at Commander and Lt Comm levels

    Either + Tac Console or add a hangar slot.

    The Peghqu' has Battle Cloak (FTW!) Starfleet should have some thing to even it.

    Of course, it would only be available to Vets

    Hanger for battle cloak isn't near equal. The Peg loses shields for battle cloak, not to mention making the ship have a Uni commander is nuts.

    A fleet version would be nice but its never gonna be OP like you want it.
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Yeah, I wouldn't mind a fleet level of the 1,000 day ships, but you're asking for a LOT. They're meant to be good, but unique ships, not some uber-level end-all ships.

    A fleet version would be nice, but would only really put em on par with other fleet level ships, and that is all.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • nanomorphnanomorph Member Posts: 199 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Heck, all a fleet chimera would need is an extra engineering slot and a slightly higher shield modifier. Akin to the fleet patrol escort.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 33,426 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Um, yeah.... Why? Chimera's already as good as a fleet ship...
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  • alexvio1alexvio1 Member Posts: 376 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    How much it must cost?
  • nanomorphnanomorph Member Posts: 199 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    No it isn't. Fleet patrol escort has an extra engineering console slot, compared to the Chimera.

    The Chimera's on par with your standard patrol escort.
  • momawmomaw Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I don't own one so I don't have a stake in this fight. But. I do think that there should be a Fleet version of the 1000-day ships. You don't want your most loyal customers to feel like they are being excluded or second-rated. Just increase shields and hull by 10% and give them the 10th console to put them in line with other Fleet ships. This lets 1000-day veterans stay competitive in power while still maintaining the unique features and appearance of their reward ship.
  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 3,974 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    since the special ability is on a console and the rest of the stats are sub fleet level, it would deserve a fleet version to be honest.

    but then again if you look at the 1000 day vet ships as a gift for lifetime subs, it doesn't need an upgrade. it is a free lifetimers ship for VA. it certainly is one of the better ships with 9 console slots

    anyway, i think people who own one, should be able to buy a fleet version in my opinion.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,379 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    We are subscribers/LTS.. We are a unwanted drain on their resources.

    Get used to it.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    anazonda wrote: »
    We are subscribers/LTS.. We are a unwanted drain on their resources.

    Get used to it.

    Actually the only ones that are drains are the free players. The ones who aren't monthlies/lifers/paid any money for this game. Players like me. We are the ones who are drains, since even though lifers get zen, and eventually pay it off, it's only in game currency, which can be created by a simple code.

    You guys still paid them a nice chunk of cash, so you are still contributing more to their pocket books than any freebie players ever will.

    However us freebie players drain their servers, we drain their time, their employees, etc. And we do it all without paying them a cent. We also acquire currency in game for free, whereas it could be bought with real money, we are just using in game money to get it. As a direct result, we are taxing their resources in game and outside of it without ever having compensated them for it.

    So in comparison, you lifers and subscribers and anyone who ever paid them money are far better than freebies like me.
    It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once. B)
  • quiscustodietquiscustodiet Member Posts: 350
    edited December 2012
    One of the strongest Escorts in the game isn't strong enough?
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  • syberghostsyberghost Member Posts: 1,711 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    anazonda wrote: »
    We are subscribers/LTS.. We are a unwanted drain on their resources.

    Get used to it.

    If we were unwanted, they'd stop selling the LTS. There wouldn't even have been much outcry if they had, since most games stop far earlier than now in their life cycle.

    The evidence suggests your conclusion is incorrect.
    Former moderator of these forums. Lifetime sub since before launch. Been here since before public betas. Foundry author of "Franklin Drake Must Die".
  • ingenieursschafingenieursschaf Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I want a pony on the bridge of the Chimera, LOL

    I think the Chimera is a good ship, if you dont have the Zen to buy a Real Ship. Its good for farming when you are a Lifetimer.
    If you want a better Chimera, buy a Vesta, lol.
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,379 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Well I see clear signs that Subscriptions are unwanted...

    And generally it's my experience that people who prefer Cryptic, are unwilling to recognize those signs, and I won't try to force it on you.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
    Like Duty Officers? Support effords to gather ideas
  • kamiyama317kamiyama317 Member Posts: 1,291 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I don't see any reason why they wouldn't offer a Fleet Chimera. Remember a Fleet version wouldn't be free, as you would still have to buy fleet modules to get it. So all this would end up doing is squeeze more money out of the lifetimers.

    I don't think it would take too much work either. How much work does it take to copy/paste an existing ship into the fleet category, change its name a little bit, add a console, and buff its shield strength by 10%? That's really what most of the fleet ships are...
  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I think the most limiting factor of all this isn't really so much that they can't do it, it's that they'd have to somehow make it so only a Lifer could buy it in the first place. If anybody could buy it, that'd majorly tick off a lot of folks, not that I'd blame em, since the whole point is that it's a unique ship for Lifers.

    On top of that, it'd also have to be put in a specific tier of shipyards, and well...too high and you make folks mad by preventing too many from getting it. Too low and every lifer will buy it easily. I'd say tier 3 shipyards myself.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • defalusdefalus Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    As with other fleet ships, a Fleet Chimera could have the improved stats over the original version but lack the console that comes with it.

    That way other players are able to get a Fleet Chimera but only the veterans and lifers get access to the tactical mode and the phaser lotus via the original console.

    Same would apply to the KDF players and a Fleet Peqhu' or whatever it is called.
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  • sirricwinsirricwin Member Posts: 63 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    defalus wrote: »
    As with other fleet ships, a Fleet Chimera could have the improved stats over the original version but lack the console that comes with it.

    That way other players are able to get a Fleet Chimera but only the veterans and lifers get access to the tactical mode and the phaser lotus via the original console.

    Same would apply to the KDF players and a Fleet Peqhu' or whatever it is called.


    This!


    I do laugh at people who can consider the current Chimera to be 'omg it is thu best escortz' as it simply isn't. RA Patrol escort is more effective, minus the console abilities. And theres plenty of 9 console store ships which are also superior.
    Its stats are shoddy, it loses a console slot for the Tactical mode, Boff slots are questionable... I use mine as a phaser beam boat as thats the only fun way to play the damn thing. Most of the time it stays in the shipyard and I rock out with the Fleet 'Defiant' or Blockade Escort as they are both just so much better.

    Dont get me wrong, I do like using it. It does have a few saving graces, and kudos to Cryptic for adding such a ship to the game. Its a cracking ship for someone who has no access to anything beyond RA. But as a Vet/Lifer who has it, you get a free VA ship anyway.

    I must agree though, that a Fleet version would make a fine addition to the game provided the Vet/Lifers do still have something unique - The console.
    Make a 10 console version, increase the hull and shield caps slightly, maybe give the Chimera an extra 0.5 shield cap over the Peghqu' to compensate the lack of Cloak.
    And for lifers who already have one, a cost of just 1 Fleet Ship Module.

    Make it tier 5, or even tier 6 when that arrives. Making it tier 3 is too low for what it potentially is.
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  • quiscustodietquiscustodiet Member Posts: 350
    edited December 2012
    sirricwin wrote: »
    This!


    I do laugh at people who can consider the current Chimera to be 'omg it is thu best escortz' as it simply isn't. RA Patrol escort is more effective, minus the console abilities. And theres plenty of 9 console store ships which are also superior.
    Its stats are shoddy, it loses a console slot for the Tactical mode, Boff slots are questionable... I use mine as a phaser beam boat as thats the only fun way to play the damn thing. Most of the time it stays in the shipyard and I rock out with the Fleet 'Defiant' or Blockade Escort as they are both just so much better

    A Ship inferior in everyway is somehow superior? Logic isn't quite your strong suit, it would appear.

    The Chimera far ecplises any of the Ships you mentionned, but hey, you can't even be trusted to read their stats, so I wouldn't expect good analysis from you.
    Since this creature is immune to subtility and too cowardly to answer PMs, let's take the direct approach: pwebranflakes: you're a moron and I'd really rather be spared your "affections".
  • kamiyama317kamiyama317 Member Posts: 1,291 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    IMO the Fleet version should stay Vet-Only. It would kind of be a slap in the face if free players can get the improved version of the ship without buying lifetime.
  • ocp001ocp001 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    IMO the Fleet version should stay Vet-Only. It would kind of be a slap in the face if free players can get the improved version of the ship without buying lifetime.

    While I agree with this, I can't see them limiting their profits. They should just make the console built in, buff it to fleet standards, and give it 10 console slots total. Allow the use of the existing cloak console from the defiant/Galaxy x for those federation cloak supporters.

    Anyway my 2 cents.
  • momawmomaw Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    defalus wrote: »
    That way other players are able to get a Fleet Chimera but only the veterans and lifers get access to the tactical mode and the phaser lotus via the original console.

    No. Lifetimers should get something utterly unique to acknowledge their significant investment in the game. You want a Chimaera, you buy LTS, period.

    I'd like to point out again that I'm not a lifetimer. I don't benefit from this. It just makes business sense to reward customer loyalty.

    sirricwin wrote: »
    This!
    Boff slots are questionable...


    Boff slots are unique and potentially very powerful. When I look at that ship I see an engineer in that LTC universal slot, turning it into a Federation battlecruiser that can out-maneuver and out-shoot the KDF's battlecruisers.
    If you want a better Chimera, buy a Vesta, lol.

    ....The two ships are very different.
  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    defalus wrote: »
    As with other fleet ships, a Fleet Chimera could have the improved stats over the original version but lack the console that comes with it.

    That way other players are able to get a Fleet Chimera but only the veterans and lifers get access to the tactical mode and the phaser lotus via the original console.

    Same would apply to the KDF players and a Fleet Peqhu' or whatever it is called.

    This would be the fair way to do it.

    It probably should be a 5 module ship for non-vets minus the consoles and t4 or t5 shipyard so stays somewhat rare and helps keep vets happy that everyone wouldnt easily get one.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Um, yeah.... Why? Chimera's already as good as a fleet ship...

    It rocks under a twin ATB build:D

    Those whom scoff at it may have not discovered its potential.
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  • sirricwinsirricwin Member Posts: 63 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    A Ship inferior in everyway is somehow superior? Logic isn't quite your strong suit, it would appear.

    The Chimera far ecplises any of the Ships you mentionned, but hey, you can't even be trusted to read their stats, so I wouldn't expect good analysis from you.


    Enlighten me. I mentioned its inferiority because it is plainly inferior, especially as an Escort. But where do I say it is superior, and thus backstep my own logic? I would have to say that reading certainly is not your strong point.

    Imo, there are plenty of ships superior to the Chimera. However a Fleet version may very well be what is needed to bring out the true potential of a 1,000 Veteran ship with its unique abilities.
    If they had intended for the Chimera to be a true Vet reward ship capable of being one of the best ships ingame, it would have had 10 consoles already.
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  • quiscustodietquiscustodiet Member Posts: 350
    edited December 2012
    sirricwin wrote: »
    Enlighten me. I mentioned its inferiority because it is plainly inferior, especially as an Escort. But where do I say it is superior, and thus backstep my own logic? I would have to say that reading certainly is not your strong point.

    Either you're a troll, a moron or, most likely, both.
    I shouldn't be so na?ve as to explain in painstaking detail what is obvious to all whose intelligence exceeds room temperature, but, since I'm way too nice, here goes: The Chimera has better stats across the board than the Hermes, yet you state the Hermes is somehow "more efficient"=> that's either terrible logic or trolling.

    Now, before accusing your betters of poor reading comprehension, work on yours; because that was all already stated in the post you ing misread, you fucking moron.



    Edit: lolfilter. What are the mods, 12?


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  • ghostivanghostivan Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    what is an ATB build ?
  • kamiyama317kamiyama317 Member Posts: 1,291 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    ATB = Auxiliary to Battery. It drains your auxiliary power and increases your other power levels. Some players like it on escorts because they never use auxiliary power for anything.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    ghostivan wrote: »
    what is an ATB build ?

    Auxillary to Battery (AtB) is an ability that takes your existing Aux power and converts it to Weapons, Shields and Engine power for a limited duration while sinking your Aux to zero.

    Used with 3 Technician DOff (Purple is best) the use of AtB has a chance to proc an very good reduction in cool downs on all your BOff abilities.

    Use twin AtB with 3 Technicians and you can keep most of your abilities on a near-constant uptime.

    for example;

    Chimera

    TT1 APd1 CRF2 ApO3
    TT1
    EPTS1 AtB1
    EPTA1 AtB1 (DEM2/EWP1/RSP2/EXTS2)
    HE1 TSS2

    Such builds take timing and pratice to work right (or a good key bind) becuase of the Aux depletion, but when they do they can be very effective.
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