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IF we had Romulan ships, what do you think they would have?

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  • wunjeewunjee Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    escorts use duel cannons in the game. every one of them as that is what escorts use (for game mechanic reasons only). cruisers and battleships do not. if you want to have a cruiser use cannons that circumvents the game mechanics, then there really needs to be an onscreen refrence to back it up. like the negh'var

    Vor'Cha uses dual cannons ingame and never fires dual cannons onscreen, except in Crossover, which is alternate universe. This is important because there's a LOT different in this episode. In the Prime universe, Vor'Chas only fire a single cannon from the front pod.

    Galaxy-X gets quad-cannons for some reason and never fires anything onscreen except it's phaser lance..

    Vesta gets dual cannons and it's completely made up.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Wait til you see the Quad heavy Turrets Mk XII purple quality with autotrack and Autofire functions

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  • zerobangzerobang Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    "IF we had Romulan ships, what do you think they would have?"


    for starters
    ... a broken as intended Cloaking Device, just like the Klingons and the Defiant/Galaxy-X

    *hail = decloak*
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,340 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    In the very first TOS episode that featured the Romulans, what they seemed to be using was an enhanced battle cloak with a high yield plasma torpedo, right?
    Actually, I don't believe this to be the case.
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  • sophlogimosophlogimo Member Posts: 6,393 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    flash525 wrote: »
    Actually, I don't believe this to be the case.

    So what was it?
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,340 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    So what was it?
    A normal cloaking device?
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  • sophlogimosophlogimo Member Posts: 6,393 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    flash525 wrote: »
    A normal cloaking device?

    I may be mistaken, but I seem to remember the Romulan Sarek-lookalike calling to cloak in battle. Hm.. I have to rewatch the episode one of these days.
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,340 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    I may be mistaken, but I seem to remember the Romulan Sarek-lookalike calling to cloak in battle. Hm.. I have to rewatch the episode one of these days.
    Likewise, you may not be mistaken, yet could easily have taken the statement out of context.

    The Galor Class for example, on DS9 alone it was referred to a Galor Class Cruiser, a Galor Class Warship and a Galor Class Destroyer. Just because a Romulan Commander says "prepare the battle-cloak" it doesn't mean it's actually a battle-cloak. :)
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  • sophlogimosophlogimo Member Posts: 6,393 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    flash525 wrote: »
    Likewise, you may not be mistaken, yet could easily have taken the statement out of context.

    The Galor Class for example, on DS9 alone it was referred to a Galor Class Cruiser, a Galor Class Warship and a Galor Class Destroyer. Just because a Romulan Commander says "prepare the battle-cloak" it doesn't mean it's actually a battle-cloak. :)

    Oh, I wasn't referring to a statement, but to actual actions. Which in that episode would still be statements (not much FX going on in those days :) ), but would be pretty telling. I seem to remember the Romulan Commander ordering to cloaking right after they fired... but it is some time ago that I watched it, so I could be wrong.
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,340 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    I seem to remember the Romulan Commander ordering to cloaking right after they fired... but it is some time ago that I watched it, so I could be wrong.
    You're probably remembering just fine. The point I am trying to make here is that what is said / happens in the show and what is said / happens in STO are two very different things. A TOS 'battle-cloak' might be very different to a STO 'battle-cloak'.
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  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 3,974 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    hmm, i can't see a romulan faction starting at lvl 1 (not even as a standalone faction actually)...but if they do, i'm all for scaling ships.
    3 types...mogai class similar to raptors, d'deridex a cruiser with a fleet vorcha boffs setup but a 7 degree turnrate only...and the BoPs like klingon BoP (universal BOFFs)...

    but somewhere around there should be the D7 design, maybe as a c-store purchase, maybe with a console that turns a normal cloak into a battle cloak (3 min CD, only usable on ships that have cloaks build in)
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Nice discussion that's been going on, I like it.

    I admit, the D'deridex is the Romulan ship I'd want more than any other one.

    Now, I could understand not giving it a battle cloak, but I do think that all Romulan cloaks should have a unique effect instead of the damage buff. So I still like my brief power boost idea, would be different so it wouldn't step on toes while still making it worthwhile.

    I can also be ok with not giving it cannons.

    I will say that, with everything they've put in game, Romulans are leaning as the sci-heavy faction. I KNOW that wouldn't really be true in ST itself, but that's just what the devs have been doing so far. As such, I think that their ships, BOFF layouts, etc should generally lean a bit more towards sci, then probably tactical, then engineering in most cases.

    So my D'deridex might be put like this:

    Cmdr Engineer
    Lt. Cmdr Sci
    Lt. Engineer
    Lt. Tac
    Ensign Tac or Sci

    4 engineering consoles, 3 sci, 2 tac. Again, fleet version gaining another sci or tac console.

    That'd be an interesting ship, and also kinda go along with the NPC versions somewhat, due to being able to use Viral Matrix, and some other decent sci skills.
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    From what we see of Romulans in series Id say a Warbird should have

    Lt commander uni
    Lt Uni
    2X ensign Uni

    But thats down to the fact they use what ever terminal is closest
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  • duaths1duaths1 Member Posts: 1,232 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    mimey2 wrote: »
    Nice discussion that's been going on, I like it.

    I admit, the D'deridex is the Romulan ship I'd want more than any other one.

    Now, I could understand not giving it a battle cloak, but I do think that all Romulan cloaks should have a unique effect instead of the damage buff..

    perhaps a SCI buff?
  • sekritagentsekritagent Member Posts: 510 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    wunjee wrote: »
    I want this from Armada.

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    Griffin-class Medium Warbird

    Tier 5
    950 crew
    4 fore, 3 aft
    Can mount dual cannons
    3 eng consoles
    3 sci consoles
    4 tac consoles

    Cmdr Tac, Lt. Cmdr Tac, Lt. Cmdr Eng, Lt Eng, Lt. Sci, Ens Uni

    Built-in cloak
    1.0 shield mod
    12 turn rate
    0.15 impulse modifier
    36,000 base hull

    I'd like to see Warbirds as a ship-type all their own. Sort of like Klingon battlecruisers.

    They can mount cannons
    They're highly tac-based, but inferior tactically to escorts
    They're tanky, but not as tanky as either normal cruisers or battlecruisers
    They're more maneuverable then either cruisers or battlecruisers, but not as manueverable as escorts
    They'd have some sort of special ability relating to being powered by a quantum singularity.

    Yes, yes and more YES.

    I am also a huge fan of the Defiant-like Shrike class (from the Armada series, not that abomination from Starfleet Command III) as a stealthy asset-insertion ship.
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,340 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    mimey2 wrote: »
    Now, I could understand not giving it a battle cloak, but I do think that all Romulan cloaks should have a unique effect instead of the damage buff. So I still like my brief power boost idea, would be different so it wouldn't step on toes while still making it worthwhile.
    Something would be nice yeah, but not the battle-cloak. If we're trying to distinguish the Romulan as a separate faction, why have them play the same as a Klingon?
    mimey2 wrote: »
    I will say that, with everything they've put in game, Romulans are leaning as the sci-heavy faction. I KNOW that wouldn't really be true in ST itself, but that's just what the devs have been doing so far. As such, I think that their ships, BOFF layouts, etc should generally lean a bit more towards sci, then probably tactical, then engineering in most cases.
    I wouldn't say so actually. The only faction that has it's own... direction (for lack of a better word) is the Klingon who lack specific Science Ships. The Federation side is pretty much universal all round, apart from the obvious advantage to anyone in an escort.
    I am also a huge fan of the Defiant-like Shrike class (from the Armada series, not that abomination from Starfleet Command III) as a stealthy asset-insertion ship.
    The Shrike and Griffin were two decent designs from the Armada games, but as with all other game-specific ships requested, we've got none. Armada II had some pretty nice Cardassian ships too yet we've not seen them in STO.
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  • hyplhypl Member Posts: 3,717 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I would definitely want this.

    :D
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,340 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    hypl wrote: »
    I would definitely want this.
    Flip the wings 90 degrees and yeah. Looks out of place otherwise. :P
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  • wunjeewunjee Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Actually, the more I think about it, maybe warbirds shouldn't mount dual cannons.

    Give them an exclusive.

    Single heavy cannons.

    Those and DBBs on them would be pretty badass.

    As for Romulan "battle-cloak", I remember Sisko ordering the Defiant to cloak while under fire multiple times, but of course, the cloaking device was always broken by plot device.
  • truemalevolencetruemalevolence Member Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited December 2012
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,340 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    hypl wrote: »
    I would definitely want this.

    :D
    Apparently there is an echo on the forums.
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  • sekritagentsekritagent Member Posts: 510 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    A warbird with the wings turned sideways, like a helicopter that got stuck mid-rotation. Honestly, guys :rolleyes: There's no accounting for taste around here.
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    duaths1 wrote: »
    perhaps a SCI buff?

    Hmm...I certainly could see that.

    Perhaps a straight boost to all sci skills, or more focused on buffing Viral Matrix or a hold? So when you de-cloak, you start firing weapons, but also launch a whole wealth of nasty sci stuff at the enemy.
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  • amosov78amosov78 Member Posts: 1,486 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    The turn rate of the D'deridex-class would be less than a Galaxy-class. Riker mentioned that, although more powerful in terms of weaponry, the Romulan Warbird is less maneuverable than the Enterprise-D.
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  • admiralm0ttadmiralm0tt Member Posts: 53 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I *really* want to see (playable) Romulan ships in the game...lockbox or otherwise.

    In order of preference:
    1) D'deridex
    2) Mogai
    3) BOP
    4) Scorpion Shuttle
    5) Scimitar

    Fingers crossed...
  • quiscustodietquiscustodiet Member Posts: 350
    edited December 2012
    I personally favour the idea of factions having different types of Ships:

    FED: Cruiser, Escort, SV.
    KDF: No true SV, BoPs instead.
    Romulans: No Cruisers, new type of Ships instead. They have large Ships, but they don't have to be Eng-focused/defensive.
    Cardassians: No Escorts, new type of Ships instead.

    So, Romulans would have:

    1. Warbirds.
    D'deridex standard T5 (with a fleet variant).
    Scimitar z-store T5 (+fleet).

    D'deridex:
    Hull: 32500
    Shield mod: 1.05
    Fore Weapons: 5
    Aft Weapons: 2
    Turn: 10
    Impulse mod: .18
    Devices: 4
    Crew: 450
    Consoles: 3 Tac, 3 Sci, 3 Eng (Fleet: 4 Sci)
    BOFFs: C Tac, C Sci, L Eng, E Sci.
    All Power Levels+5
    Cloak. No DCs/DHCs.

    Scimitar:
    Hull: 34250
    Shield mod: 1.05
    Fore Weapons: 5
    Aft Weapons: 2
    Turn: 9
    Impulse mod: .18
    Devices: 4
    Crew: 750
    Consoles: 4 Tac, 3 Sci, 2 Eng (Fleet: 4 Sci)
    BOFFs: C Tac, C Sci, L Eng, E Tac.
    Shield Power+10 Weapon Power+5 Engine Power+5
    Cloak. No DCs/DHCs.

    Console: Thalaron Cannon. Heavy damage, kills 75% Crew, huge recast?


    2. Interceptors (Escorts).
    The Mogai would be a T3 or 4 Interceptor.
    The Valdore would be the standard T5 (+fleet).

    Valdore:
    Hull: 29450
    Shield mod: .925
    Fore Weapons: 4
    Aft Weapons: 3
    Turn: 16
    Impulse mod: .2
    Devices: 3
    Crew: 175
    Consoles: 4 Tac, 4 Sci, 1 Eng (Fleet: 5 Tac)
    BOFFs: C Tac, LC Tac, L Sci, L Eng, E Sci.
    Weapon Power+15
    Can equip DCs/DHCs, Cloak.


    3. Research Vessels.
    Can't think of one atm.


    Cloaks on all Ships, but no Battle Cloaks. Yes, the Romulans originated Cloaks, but factions should be distinct and the KDF already has Battle Cloaks.
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  • asthalothasthaloth Member Posts: 66 Arc User
    edited December 2012
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    The Mogai would be a T3 or 4 Interceptor.
    The Valdore would be the standard T5 (+fleet).

    The Valdore IS a Mogai class..?


    And for the record, the Scimitar is a Romulan design, if anything, the Remans should have a new design of Dreadnought.
  • quiscustodietquiscustodiet Member Posts: 350
    edited December 2012
    Yeah, but the in-game Mogai doesn't really look like the Valdore. So, they could re-use it for a new T3-T4 Ship and make a new, more impressive T5 Valdore.

    Remember: not a lot of extant Romulan Ships, we have to stretch whatever we have.

    I guess you mean "isn't" in the second sentence? In any case, the Remans would be part of the Romulan empire.
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  • voyagerfan9751voyagerfan9751 Member Posts: 1,120 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I would throw a Romulan BoP in there. Probably as your starter ship a la the Miranda Class.

    I am all for Romulans not having Battle Cloaks. While Romulans had cloaks they never used them like the Klingons did, and the Romulans where never much of a hit and run type of fighter. They are more of a come out of no where, you (the enemy not the Roms) are in the Weeds now, kind of race. So a standard cloak (much as I love the battle cloak) seems more like them.

    Unfortunately, like the Klingons there isn't much canon material for ships, certainly not enough to support a whole faction from level 1-50 in this game. So , much of the ships will probably be non-canon, cryptic made models. But as long as I can get a Tier 5 D'deridex, I will be happy. :D
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