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Borg space set now completely trumps others
dwhornet
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Before "Season Seven" hit, we were faced with a few sets at our disposal to play around with. Most of the time it was reasoned you would use 3 pieces of the Borg set and the MACO shield making that, usually, the most optimal build. This was touted everywhere on this forum as usually a pretty good hands down build that was good in almost every circumstance. In fact it was so good, that it made just about every other set or combinations of sets virtually obsolete. Today we are faced with the same exact problem.
You see the set bonuses of the Borg space set is like having H.E 3 and T.S.S 3 (or something along those lines) trigger pseudo randomly. These are arguably the most important regeneration abilities to get you back to snuff faster. Furthermore the other sets simply enhance your stats and not give you straight up proc'd abilities. Yes, I'm fully aware the Borg space set has been nerfed several times at this point, it still doesn't justify using the other sets. We basically really need to discuss how to re-balance and buff the other sets. The changes made to bringing the anomalous four part set to a standard actually compounded the problem. At least then you could give up some shield regeneration for more damage, or faster abilities recharges, or maybe even just to have the Thoron Distortion Field.
I know it's going against popular opinion that we change anything. However the added depth you can achieve from buffing (and re-balancing) the space sets is something we shouldn't just gloss over. I know it can get slightly complicated since we have more then eight different sets at this point, I still feel like it really needs to be addressed. I don't want to imply what changes should be made to which set, but I would like to see the choice of space sets have more of a profound impact on the game. I'm open to ideas or suggestions on how to achieve that goal. Since any future changes will affect both PvE, and PvP i decided this is the best sub section of the forum as to get a more balanced point of view on this subject.
Thanks,
Hornet.
You see the set bonuses of the Borg space set is like having H.E 3 and T.S.S 3 (or something along those lines) trigger pseudo randomly. These are arguably the most important regeneration abilities to get you back to snuff faster. Furthermore the other sets simply enhance your stats and not give you straight up proc'd abilities. Yes, I'm fully aware the Borg space set has been nerfed several times at this point, it still doesn't justify using the other sets. We basically really need to discuss how to re-balance and buff the other sets. The changes made to bringing the anomalous four part set to a standard actually compounded the problem. At least then you could give up some shield regeneration for more damage, or faster abilities recharges, or maybe even just to have the Thoron Distortion Field.
I know it's going against popular opinion that we change anything. However the added depth you can achieve from buffing (and re-balancing) the space sets is something we shouldn't just gloss over. I know it can get slightly complicated since we have more then eight different sets at this point, I still feel like it really needs to be addressed. I don't want to imply what changes should be made to which set, but I would like to see the choice of space sets have more of a profound impact on the game. I'm open to ideas or suggestions on how to achieve that goal. Since any future changes will affect both PvE, and PvP i decided this is the best sub section of the forum as to get a more balanced point of view on this subject.
Thanks,
Hornet.
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I use the 2-pc KHG set because I use a hit-and-run build that factors in quantum torps with HY3. Any self-respecting torp boat pilot on the KDF side (and now Fed side, once they unlock it) would use the KHG 2-pc set. The Omega set is useful if you're running an all-energy DPSing setup (like what most escorts use in PvP and PvE, for example) or a speed tank setup.
I don't think they're that unbalanced, we've just got too many players who would rather float around tanking everything in a friggin space whale (I see 'em all the time in Ker'rat) rather than focus on DPS or other abilities that the other sets utilize.
Lastly, I don't think you fully grasp the extent of the latest nerf. The set is now 3-pc, and you have to carry all three pieces to get the same bonus. No borg console to sidestep ship component requirements. Have you SEEN the Borg shield? It's a lousy underpowered 'regenerative' shield that's only useful to a zombie tanker. I'm finding it easier to kill people in PvP now because they can't effortlessly tank with the combination of the epic MACO shield and the combination of Borg engines, deflector, and console.
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The Breen should become a Drain and disable set.
The Jem Hadar should be a Poloron DPS Escourt crazy cannon/turrett only set, give boost to cannon fire rate/Damage and TAC attack patterns, Give the shield just a slite improvement.
The Reman set should be for Beam/boat Cruisers. Give it a boost for useing beams and BO and FAW and resistance to Beam damage.
The MACO and Omega are fine but should be designed for fighting borg. Lots more plasma resistance and get rid of the Gravitic ancor and Gravaton beam they are useless and instead give it a chance to repel the damage from the invisa-instakill torps and Plasma high yield torps. and a feedback pulse vs tractor beams. and the ability to boost Bord weps when we unlock them.
Introduce a PVP set. That would be strong but not OP. Good stats all around with a set bonus that can say clear debuffs or say give you special abilities when you become focused fired. For instance if you are being targeted by more that 2 players you get a plus %25 damage resistance and plus %20 power to wepons. So if an entire team is focus fireing you then you have the ability to at least take someone with you or life long enough to get out of threat. It would make PVP more one vs one. And make people change thier game up a little instead of everyone focus out one person at a time until all are dead.
Each set needs to have a special talent that sets it apart from others. There should be no one size fits all set. But the sets should give certain builds a boost. A set for SCI Captns that use alot crowd control skill. Or a set for Beam boats or a set for Torp boats, Cannon Builds ect.
It's great for sci and cruisers, and some fed escorts, Klingon BoPs and Escorts shield mods are too low, it's just not enough buffer, even in PvE
Admittedly, the Borg tractor beam is basically useless... and the passive power level boost when hit from the MACO shield is amazingly better.
The CD on the tractor beam is just down right stupid...make it a minute and i would be fine with it...i timed the borg cubes that use it and they were shooting it off about every minute give or take a few seconds.....unless there is a BO that affects the CD on tractor beams (NO, the one that affects deflector abilities DOES NOT affect the tractor beams of any kind)
plus the combo of the BCB would actually make the 1 minute CD change worthwhile to even think of using the set bonus.
on another note...since S7 began ive been using the 3-pc borg set and doing FAR better in it than i ever did in the 3-pc + maco mk XII.
the 3pc borg set just needs to run shield power to balance out everything and your fine. sure as hell reduce the damage from those OP HY plasma torps the borg fire -.-
I don't think the borg set is really the problem so much as every other set surrounding it. One semi decent set in a group of subpar sets makes that decent one stand out a lot more then it should. So maybe beefing up the other sets to be decent would be more suitable then going for the obvious crutch (nerfing the borg set). Just my drunken 2 cents.
The shields and engines are still crappy, in fact the MACO shield is so much better that it makes the set competitive. The only half-decent piece is the deflector.
Reman is a joke, but I think KHG and Omega, and MACO compete as a whole, not in a 3 piece to 3 piece comparison.
Combat engines and standard engines for that matter have no place at endgame because almost every player's spec has base engine power idling high enough to get no benefit.
Breen and Jem are not worth talking about, but they're storyline unlocks so not really in the same conversation.
I feel like the Borg shield is so very awful that it helps to compensates for the pretty awesome set bonus.
But, I can't vote on nerfs right now. The Borg set's most recent changes are too new (gonna have to wait for Hilbert to compile and graph for a few months) and the fact that we're all running around with extra abilities shoots any balance discussion right in the ****, as AFT's Snow would say.
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But when fighting borg, I need that additional hull regen, and cleanse proc. This is even so for my Steamrunner. I have CSV and TS on spam, along with 2 copies of Aux2SIF, and HE1. And even after all that I am barely able to keep my hull clean because at any one time I have at least 2 spheres shooting at me while I am spamming! The shield gives me the option to aggro quite a number of borg, drop shields lower, and proc the cleanse. And not to mention its innate regen + proc helps me cover my lack of a TSS.
The 3 borg set also trivializes anything that isn't a gate or cube in PVE; I've flown through Azure Neb and Gorn Minefield without even dropping shields below 75% from just the regen alone.
So, I think we're actually in a very good place. Omega set for sci/carriers, MACO set for pvp cruisers and escorts, AKHG for Bops/torpedo sciboats, Borg for PVE cruisers and escorts, JH for the attack bug, Breen for a sciboat that uses transphasics (which are terrible, not because of the set but because transphasics are terrible), and Reman for you space warlock dotters/RP fanatics. :P
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I was able to hold the aggro of Infected's Tactical Cube on elite and tank it from 100% to 36% using an Intrepid retrofit. The shield is amazing.
Now, I just stopped using the set altogether.
1. The Shields are terrible, especially compared to MACO & KHG.
2. The Engines aren't very good. Then again, most set Engines aren't, save for Omega, Aegis and KHG.
3. The Deflector isn't very good. It's not terrible, but not very good. MACO gives significantly more survivability, Omega some Offense, KHG much better CC.
4. The 3-piece proc is overrated. Good, but not good enough to make up for the terrible Shields and lack of another set bonus.
5. The 2-piece proc is a lot better, but it's hard to justify 2 mediocre/bad pieces now.
What I miss most isn't even that proc, it's the passive Hull regen: over time, it added up to a lot.
The regen on it is amazing, and the shield is basically more than enough against anything outside of PvP and elite STFs.
Elite STFs.. its a dangerous shield to use, you lose whole shield facings in 2s. You need to be on your toes while being agroed, a tractor beam is a death sentence. If you are protecting against burst damage then use the Maco, but sustained damage, the borg set is hard to beat.
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