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tc1701a
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Hi all,
ok returning player... I love TOS and I need some advice about trying to acquire these 2 ships. I see the special requisition packs for sale in exchange for billions of credits? I certainly don't have that much at the moment.
So, in your opinion will they be back at some point? should I wait until they are back in current packs and see if I can get them then from exchange or packs? or should i sell things to start saving and grinding, because that is the typical price?
what is the most efficient way?
thanks!
ok returning player... I love TOS and I need some advice about trying to acquire these 2 ships. I see the special requisition packs for sale in exchange for billions of credits? I certainly don't have that much at the moment.
So, in your opinion will they be back at some point? should I wait until they are back in current packs and see if I can get them then from exchange or packs? or should i sell things to start saving and grinding, because that is the typical price?
what is the most efficient way?
thanks!
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They will be back repeatedly in Infinity Promotion boxes (Not Infinity Lockboxes). Acquiring them from those boxes is the easiest way, but buying them from the exchange is the only way to acquire without spending money. If you choose to buy keys to sell on the exchange, you'll likely spend more than chancing from the Promo Boxes.
I bought my D7 off the exchange after blowing 30k plus zen on the promo packs and not winning. live and learn trying for instant gratification leads to more failure than success. (That zen was put together with refined dil so no real money spent)
I would recommend buying off the exchange it may take you a while to save up 1.3 billion ec but at least you are guaranteed the ship. Whereas if you gamble you are not in control of the roll of the rng dice.
Hello rubber banding my old friend, time to bounce around the battlezone again, where are all my bug reports going?, out of love with this game I am falling, As Cryptic fail to acknowledge a problem exists, Shakes an angry fist, And from Support all I'm hearing are the sounds of silence.
Mind you, it's been a tradi g frenzy all w/e. Also blew 50 keys on 100 infinity boxes a couple of hours ago. These net me a t5 & t6 pack, among the things I was actually hunting for.
It's do-able.
If you're going to spend money, wait until they rerun the infinity promo (and they absolutely will) and buy the Infinity RnD Packs to sell for EC. Then just buy the ship with EC. In the meantime, do your daily grind and do what you can to raise as much EC as you can before the promotion starts again.
Never, ever open packs to try and win a ship.. only open packs if you actually need what's in them and consider the ship a bonus.
did you have a strategy to save up the EC? certain activities to make the most possible or something? buying and selling?
A billion on the exchange is much safer than playing the gamble box lottery. Only open packs if you want the lobi and accept that the odds are very much against you getting a ship.
I have read that idea on other posts here... typically you would buy the RnD Packs and then wait till supply dries up some to sell for the most profit right? any idea how much I may expect to get, so I know how many to buy when the time comes?
On PC you can eventually get 14 - 16 million per pack. The smart thing to do is buy zen when it has a charge bonus, then buy the packs *during a promo event* when they are on sale for 20% off. There is pretty much always a pack sale a few days after the promo event starts.
Remember that for most of the year the packs in the zen store are *not* promo packs and are worthless. You must buy the packs sold during a promo event.
did you have a strategy to save up the EC? certain activities to make the most possible or something? buying and selling? [/quote]
I have 35 characters on my account so bought the packs/keys and sold them on the exchange after converting dil to zen and make a shed load of upgrade techs and sold them, although they are not as profitable as they used to be. No real strategy also got lucky with some unbound doffs I had that are sell for good ec. It was more a case of patient ec building
Hello rubber banding my old friend, time to bounce around the battlezone again, where are all my bug reports going?, out of love with this game I am falling, As Cryptic fail to acknowledge a problem exists, Shakes an angry fist, And from Support all I'm hearing are the sounds of silence.
oh didn't know there was a cap... what is EC capped at initially?
and what is LTS?
OH nm, i got it, LIfetime subscriber right? yes luckily then I am a LTS.
is there a limit for LTS?
Yes. Limit for LTS is 2b. You can also hold an additional 1b in your acct bank. Each of your captains can hold 2b on themselves.
The ec cap increase is for F2P so they can hold 2b too.
In all these games, the path to success is to shave off the shortfall with thrifty purchases. Don't be two sides of a useless coin. Whales tend to get nowhere, the staunchly F2P do no better over time.
First work out how much time you want to invest in the game. Then design a regimen that works for you. Not only will you not be bored; but you're not wasting money on RNG, nor trying to circumvent it with enormous amounts of time. -- the only thing that this games admin's care about is populating servers. Cynics will claim otherwise, but then "of course" they would, right?
Given you're already familiar with the game. Setting yourself daily, weekly and monthly goals; will in turn dictate whether you even need to spend money in the first place.
For example, one of mine is: Every 50 keys I attain, I then spend on a 100 stack of boxes (50:100). I don't use the boxes I acrue, I buy someone elses and sell mine. Why? Because that's how the RNG works with those boxes that are dropping equally for everyone. -- If I say have '37 keys' by the time I decide to spend and feel the trading is beginning to ebb? -- Then I may decide to buy 20 keys, stash the difference towards the next 50 keys and earn myself a UTU in the process (and one less hassle).
The promo packs are a different story. I buy them for the mats to improve my gear, outside of that structure. Gear I can sell, swap and trade. The seeded RNG is different for those packs too. It is in every game, not just STO.
Buying Zen is a similar process. You have to decide if you want the Dil to purchase rep stuff, or snatch up Zen to take advantage of the promo. They don't last very long. That way, if you do purchase Zen, you only purchase what you need to buy the packs you want. That's why those promo packs tend to exist in sales. At 800z a 4-pack, it's a no brainer. -- I mean, the economics and calandar are there, right? Watch trends and work within that schedule.
First thing I do in all these games, is setup a revenue stream. It's doubly important in a game like this one that's been running for years. This lets me call my own shots vs even the biggest whales and their ridiculous hubris.
Do as you wish with your time and money. I won't tell you otherwise and these are just some things to think about going forward as you reinvest into the game. -- but I'm having fun, getting what I want and enjoying myself. It's only some discrepancies with the Zen store items I feell need to be rectified.
This is true, although I'd put it more like -- "the devs have evolved the game so you don't get stuck."
This isn't true of many games and I dare say wasn't with this one, in the early years either. It's not hard to make the various currency, but anyone whom is staunchly F2P is as delusional as those whom think they can buy everything in sight for a different convenience.
I hauled in around 630Lobi this R&D weekend. That let me get a couple of knick-knacks that will tie some of my builds over nicely, until I complete Rep sets. -- The best buy was the Vranh'ko Quintessance set for my Klingon Engineer. It's exactly what she needed!
I'm not using the outfit on her, but it works on away team members. She herself is using probably two parts. Yet, she's designed around Borg prosthetic / melee, so the actual set suits her nicely.
Been a good w/e here on XBOX.
which is why I opened 16 boxes and got 2 of them. it's simple luck and statistics.
OP just remember that they are not account unlocks so if you REALLY want them, make sure you know which toons you will put them on.
1: grind dilithium (then trade to zen, then buy promo packs or master keys, then sell them for EC, then use that EC to buy the ship on the exchange)
2: spend cash and buy zen (then do everything listed above).
More details here:
https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1249609/how-to-get-the-disco-connie-without-gambling/p1
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
I don't give a TRIBBLE what you got from what.. it's bad advice telling people to open boxes for ships. For everyone who was lucky, there are 100 players that spent a ton of money and came away empty handed.
At least the second part of your post had some value.
You are right; it is luck and statistics. And while a very few people do get "lucky", the statistics clearly show that the majority will not:
https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1250434/everything-you-never-wanted-to-know-about-infinity-lock-boxes-2019-edition/p1
Simply put, the ships would not be so expensive (on the exchange) if the drop rate were not extremely rare. But congrats on being extremely lucky!
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
I'd also point out: That if you're going to acrue 84x promo packs, just to cancel out the 'chance factor' of getting a ship. Then it's a demonstrably counter-intuitive means. -- You're effectively spending 84 packs for one t6 choice pack, when 84x would very likely net you multiple. (Not to mention "ALL those resources!", just... wow). That's straight up "bad advice" for so many reasons; and I don't recommend anyone try this.
All to do what? -- give that expenditure to some (apparently) "extremely lucky dude", 2bil EC for a ship! -- I say that's the sort of thing, only the most established, long term accounts should even consider. However, that said, THAT whole scenario is why it's 2bil EC in the first place! -- "Chance is bad, but why don't you spend a couple a hundred bucks to give it to me!" It's exactly what it looks like.. 300-500mil, sure, but 2bil makes you a scalper.
Now. I do genuinely appreciate my good fortune in the game. Within my first few days of play, I bought 20 keys (admittedly for the UTU) and by sheer blind luck, a Sect31 Destroyer dropped for me (I sat on it 2 weeks afterwards). -- Since then, I've learnt the systems in the game and much of the 'means' by which further fortune has been leveraged, is largely due to the extensive experience I bring with me. Along with a general respect for those systems.
That's my suggestion. Exercise a little know-how, know-why, and moderation. -- There's no way to succinctly articulate how probability works (People write books on this stuff afterall). The only thing you can control, is the 'impact' participation has on you. So that it's fun, rather than a bad choice between lesser evils.
Right and wrong. You are right that the 'constant stream' of alerts does in fact mean people are frequently getting 'lucky' and winning. However the deceptive aspect of that situation is you do NOT see the hundreds of names in between every winner that did not get one. The fact that you see winners so often means that literally hundreds of boxes are being opened every minute in game and you are seeing the 1/200 (or less) person who actually wins the ship.
While expensive, using the zen to promo packs(or keys) to EC then buying the ship on the exchange gives you a 100% chance of getting the ship. On the other hand, nearly every time there is a promotion someone posts a thread on the forums about how they spent hundreds of dollars opening boxes and didn't get what they wanted.
But hey, you are certainly free to do whatever you think works best for you.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Your little fly in doesn't show you how many boxes they opened before 'getting lucky.' It shows you the wins but not the losses, if you want to take that as an accurate representation of how many players get the ship they want, then go right ahead.
Again, you have no idea how many players buy far more then that and get nothing. There is a very good chance that 84 packs gets you nothing but 84 clicks of disappointment. If someone is comfortable with the odds and they go in with eyes wide open, then by all means.. open the packs. Most players just want the ship and if that's the case then the guaranteed method is the best way. When you average out costs, it's far cheaper then playing the 'gamble box lottery.'
The ship runs between 1-1.3B, but that aside.. again, you're assuming the person you're buying from was 'lucky.' For all you know, that person opened 200 packs before getting the ship you just bought.
Just your own personal bias/opinion.. nothing more. The selling price is all relative to the cost of acquisition, these ships aren't cheap to acquire and they're priced accordingly.
Yeah, you have been here 20 minutes and you're an expert on everything.
If your system works for you.. great.. but don't be encouraging others to throw their money down a hole.
just for curiosities sake anyone remember or have any idea off the top how much 84 promo packs would cost in zen?
The R&D packs come in 4 packs for a normal price of 1000 Zen.
To get 84 Boxes, you would have to buy 21 of the 4 packs which would be a total of 21000 Zen or $210.
Lets say the boxes sell on the exchange for an average of $14M each. Selling all 84 boxes would get you 1.17 Billion EC.
The current prices on the ship is 1.2B EC, so you would need maybe one or two more packs and that would give you a 100% chance of getting the ship.
Now, it's also possible that you could buy a single pack for $3, open it and get the ship. The odds are against it, but it's possible. The guaranteed method isn't cheap, but it's guaranteed.
That method also assumes you're starting with Zero EC. The more EC you have once the promo starts, the less boxes you have to buy and the less you have to spend. I spent $20 to get mine and it was just because I wanted it that day. The key is to save up between promotions so that you don't have to start from zero, that's way too expensive.
does opening the promo packs take keys or is it just the cost of the pack?
Again though, this is only during the event. Normal R&D Packs won't work.