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ryurangerryuranger Member Posts: 390 Arc User
I do not know if this Theory makes Sense to people and if its new or an old Theory, I been watching Voyager First Contact in wake of the Star Trek Picard Trailer and the Theories that Dahj is actually a Former Borg Queen. I am here to tell you She is not and here is why i think that is! We See the Borg as a Hive mind one mind in control over everything, and to organize these thoughts the collective created a Hub that can organize the Thought Patterns of Trillions of Drones that's where the Queen Sets in. She was not to Control the Hive but to kept minds Organize and P refection but there was a Glitch in the Programming of the Hub and thus the Queen is Born she as the mind of her own and thus begun to control the collective. The Queen in herself is basically a Glitch and with this craziness of perfection in controlling all life in the universe She basically the Reason why the Borg sought Perfection because Queen her self is a glitch and she need to satisfy her self for Perfection. So where dose Dahj fit in to all this why the Theory of her not the Queen well the Queen is Program that lives in the Hive and she uses Borg Avatars that she Creates to interact with Beings that she find most fascinating as well able to interact with the Collective personally but this is a Failed in it self we seen in Endgame and in First Contact when the Queen Dies so dose the collective and why is that because She is a Hub and she should be living with in the Collective herself. Unless she makes Back up of her self with in the Subspace network of the Borg Collective the Borg Will Die that is why Dahj is not the Queen and why the Queen is a major Glitch and Weakness with in the collective!!!
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  • azrael605azrael605 Member Posts: 10,135 Arc User
    Dajh, not former, future.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 48,644 Arc User
    I could not make sense of the wall of text.
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  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,555 Arc User
    The best theory so far, from Midnights Edge , is that Dahj (whose name makes me think of mustard ) is actually Picards child with the Borg Queen. I think that is a cool idea.
  • azrael605azrael605 Member Posts: 10,135 Arc User
    > @lordgyor said:
    > The best theory so far, from Midnights Edge , is that Dahj (whose name makes me think of mustard ) is actually Picards child with the Borg Queen. I think that is a cool idea.

    That isn't a theory with any basis and since you source ME it is guaranteed false.
  • ryurangerryuranger Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    What I was trying to explain is that the Queen is a Computer Program that went Horribly wrong and Dahj except the Borg Prison to get help to her fellow Drones and she went to the One Captain in All of Starfleet who as the most experience with the BORG Captain Jun Luc Picard Former Captain of the Federation Flag Ship USS Enterprise NCC-1701-E and the Reason Why she feels safe with Picard becuase of his time as Locutus of Borg that's why I think anyway
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 10,922 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    > lordgyor said:
    > The best theory so far, from Midnights Edge , is that Dahj (whose name makes me think of mustard ) is actually Picards child with the Borg Queen. I think that is a cool idea.

    That isn't a theory with any basis and since you source ME it is guaranteed false.

    A broken clock is correct two times every day so ME could be right once in their life.

  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,217 Arc User
    starkaos wrote: »
    A broken clock is correct two times every day so ME could be right once in their life.

    ME hasn't been right about anything. How can they be when all they talk about is nonsense? Do your brain a favor and stop watching that garbage. Your IQ will go up significantly by doing so.

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  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,555 Arc User
    > @valoreah said:
    > starkaos wrote: »
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    > A broken clock is correct two times every day so ME could be right once in their life.
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    > ME hasn't been right about anything. How can they be when all they talk about is nonsense? Do your brain a favor and stop watching that garbage. Your IQ will go up significantly by doing so.

    So what I'm hearing is your midnight edge's biggest fan? ;p
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 10,922 Arc User
    valoreah wrote: »
    starkaos wrote: »
    A broken clock is correct two times every day so ME could be right once in their life.

    ME hasn't been right about anything. How can they be when all they talk about is nonsense? Do your brain a favor and stop watching that garbage. Your IQ will go up significantly by doing so.

    How can my IQ go up significantly when my brain cells have never been damaged by their show? The point of my post is that if they throw out enough nonsense, then by statistical probability, something they have said will be correct eventually by pure coincidence.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,242 Bug Hunter
    ryuranger wrote: »
    I do not know if this Theory makes Sense to people and if its new or an old Theory, I been watching Voyager First Contact in wake of the Star Trek Picard Trailer and the Theories that Dahj is actually a Former Borg Queen. I am here to tell you She is not and here is why i think that is! We See the Borg as a Hive mind one mind in control over everything, and to organize these thoughts the collective created a Hub that can organize the Thought Patterns of Trillions of Drones that's where the Queen Sets in. She was not to Control the Hive but to kept minds Organize and P refection but there was a Glitch in the Programming of the Hub and thus the Queen is Born she as the mind of her own and thus begun to control the collective. The Queen in herself is basically a Glitch and with this craziness of perfection in controlling all life in the universe She basically the Reason why the Borg sought Perfection because Queen her self is a glitch and she need to satisfy her self for Perfection. So where dose Dahj fit in to all this why the Theory of her not the Queen well the Queen is Program that lives in the Hive and she uses Borg Avatars that she Creates to interact with Beings that she find most fascinating as well able to interact with the Collective personally but this is a Failed in it self we seen in Endgame and in First Contact when the Queen Dies so dose the collective and why is that because She is a Hub and she should be living with in the Collective herself. Unless she makes Back up of her self with in the Subspace network of the Borg Collective the Borg Will Die that is why Dahj is not the Queen and why the Queen is a major Glitch and Weakness with in the collective!!!

    @ryuranger I suspect you don't speak English as first language but surely you at least speak paragraphs. Leave some line breaks, even if they're in random places.​​
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  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,217 Arc User
    starkaos wrote: »
    How can my IQ go up significantly when my brain cells have never been damaged by their show? The point of my post is that if they throw out enough nonsense, then by statistical probability, something they have said will be correct eventually by pure coincidence.

    Doubtful. ME is a prime example of fake news.

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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 48,644 Arc User
    starkaos wrote: »
    How can my IQ go up significantly when my brain cells have never been damaged by their show? The point of my post is that if they throw out enough nonsense, then by statistical probability, something they have said will be correct eventually by pure coincidence.

    So far they're batting 0. And they are pretty much considered nothing more than rage mongering trolls looking to rile up people. Hell... at this point anything Midnight's Edge is even close to being considered spam by at least one Mod because of how divisive the content is. All it does is polarize the community and cause flame wars. And for all we know... that is the goal of the channel. To divide and attack.

    In short, Midnight's Edge content can be considered no different than gatekeeping behavior on the forums, which is against forum rules.

    Honestly I'd be more inclined to trust TrekYards, as they at least have had contact with people who have worked on ships for Trek in the past when examining certain ship designs. Other than that... its their own opinions. Not claiming to be Word of God truth.
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  • ryurangerryuranger Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    Lets Kept It Clean and fun and Stop making fun of people Intelligence What Are We Marvel
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 6,190 Community Moderator
    Ok, well, the Midnight's Edge debate can stop and we can continue on with our regularly scheduled program. Thank you.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 8,577 Arc User
    "It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, rather than theories to suit facts." - Sherlock Holmes, A Scandal in Bohemia

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  • haurianthauriant Member Posts: 141 Arc User
    I'm predisposed not to like the idea of a Borg Queen. But since they made her exit in the lore (and occasionally used her in enjoyable ways), I do wish they had made her make more sense. And there still is time, with the Borg appearing in STP. The glitch is a good idea.

    Other ideas I've hard or heard that I like are:

    —That she is essentially a pressure valve. She expresses the collected individual expression of the entire collective, thus allowing the rest to act harmoniously.
    —The she is the vestigial remnant of a leader for the poto-Borg, who initially were cybernetically linked beings mentally dominated by a leader. The collective will of the controlled drones eventually overwhelmed her mind, thus creating the Collective. But although she was now a part of a single mind, the core programming of the original network was so deeply embedded in the Collective that the there still needed to be a One-Who-Is-Many existing even if she was not truly the leader. (This would mean that the One-Who-Is-Many would actually be the first being to be assimilated.)
    —That whatever she was, Hugh being taught individuality did infect her a little before his cube was separated, and thus she acts more individually afterwards than she previously would have.
  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,217 Arc User
    edited August 7
    Personally, I've no real issue with there being a Borg Queen. It makes sense to me.

    Take any discussion of any topic here on the forums as an example - there are literally countless points of view and possibilities for solving a problem.

    The collective still has this problem when faced with any situation that requires decision making - what do they do? The countless possibilities of what can happen still exist even if you remove any individuality or self interest. So how do they reach a decision on what to do?

    Do whatever has the highest mathematical probability of success?
    Just go by "mob rule" method whichever outcome get the most "votes"?

    At least to me, this is where the "bring order to chaos" role of the Queen comes in - she is there to help focus the hive mind and further facilitate a decision. If you have ever been in any kind of strategy meeting at your workplace, there is always someone who helps keep the group on track. That's what I see the queen doing.

    All my head canon of course.

    As for the vestigial remnant of the "proto-Borg", this is actually an idea put forth more than a decade ago in a fan fiction series published on perhaps the best Borg website ever.

    The gist of it was that the queen we saw in FC and VOY was one of several queens that filled the role as I described above. They were created/programmed from the original queen who had used the assimilation process as a means to unite a divided people toward a common goal.

    Too bad that site and the fan fics are not around anymore - the story was quite on point to what is going on today.




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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 639 Arc User
    edited August 9
    The problem with the Borg queen is that the movie writers totally missed the point of what the series writers were doing with the Borg and inadvertently shifted the concept from the ultimate amorphous collective to a garden variety centralized insect-style hive mind. In fact most of the worst continuity problems were caused by the high-ego movie division blindly ramming around trampling things the "TV peons" had established in order to make their own mark on Trek, but that is a subject for a different discussion.

    The Borg were an allegory to the same kind of decentralized peer-to-peer networking that the internet is based on, which is far scarier than the insect model since there are no centralized points to attack and any losses are simply covered by other parts of the collective shifting to take up the slack. Networks like that were in the deeper scientific news at the time the Borg were thought up, poised to hit the popular news in the near future and so were ideal plot fodder for a science fiction show at the time.

    As for the decision making thing, the only real need for a central authority figure is to speed up decision making, and the near-instantaneous mind to mind communication the Borg have would eliminate the speed difference between a team consensus and a centralized leader. There is a secondary use as a spokesperson for the collective, but they really do not need a queen as such for that.
  • ryurangerryuranger Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    Phoenixc I totally agree with you on that. That is why I think she is more of a Glitch in the system a Flaw if you will that makes the Collective go crazy with the idea of Perfection.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 10,922 Arc User
    valoreah wrote: »
    As for the vestigial remnant of the "proto-Borg", this is actually an idea put forth more than a decade ago in a fan fiction series published on perhaps the best Borg website ever.

    That website certainly had some interesting pictures of Borg.
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