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Romulan's How bout some Science Commanders on my ships?

mopic312mopic312 Member Posts: 7 Arc User
edited September 2023 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Kind of confused as too why the Romulans just not into science?

The T6 Science command ship <---"Science". Has An engineer Command slot and only a LT Command slot on a Science ship? why not the othe way around? its a Science ship!....

Why after all these years of Startrek online, The Romulans haven't designed the ability to speed up their plasma warp torps? I do get sick of watching my torps float around in space with nothing to hit... (C'mon STO show the romulans some love..}
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    jagdtier44jagdtier44 Member Posts: 376 Arc User
    edited March 2019
    Well the Command ships are well... COMMAND ships a heavily engi based line. The tactical version also comes with LT Commander Tac slots, and you'll also notice the science version doesn't pack a secondary deflector or science abilities because its not a science ship, its a science flavor command ship.

    What you are looking for is either the Laeosa our first true science warbird at T6 or the Explorer warbirds. You could also go for the Sui'Mor which has a warp core and no cloak. (there is also the dyson series of warbirds but those are T5s)

    Also.. yeah I suppose it would be nice to see something normal that boosts the speed of torpedoes but there is a space trait from the terran task force called "torpedo pre-fire sequence" and it does speed up destructible torpedoes as well as make them hit harder
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    chipg7chipg7 Member Posts: 1,577 Arc User
    Man, this takes me back...

    As it was years ago when Legacy of Romulus came out, so it must be today. Romulans don't get sciencey stuff, and they probably never will.

    Note: my only Romulan is a Sci captain, so I definitely feel the pain! I just know that Cryptic made the decision to focus Romulans on Tac and Eng from day one, and it's never going to change.
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    edited March 2019
    chipg7 wrote: »
    Man, this takes me back...

    As it was years ago when Legacy of Romulus came out, so it must be today. Romulans don't get sciencey stuff, and they probably never will.

    Note: my only Romulan is a Sci captain, so I definitely feel the pain! I just know that Cryptic made the decision to focus Romulans on Tac and Eng from day one, and it's never going to change.
    I used to space magic in a T5 T'Varo. I even bought the mirror version for Diaula so I could use the Mirror skin on it. Yes it technically only had a science LtC, but combining LtC with Lt made for a nice amount of space magic.

    Now I use the MMSVs, which are great.
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    chipg7chipg7 Member Posts: 1,577 Arc User
    You brought back a memory, lol.

    You know what was a shockingly good Sci warbird? The freakin' Sci Scimitar, the Tulwar!

    Space for 5 Sci consoles, +10 aux power, and a dedicated Sci Lt. BOFF slot. Plus you could fill in the universal Ens. and Lt.Cmdr. BOFFs for moar Sci shenanigans.

    Add to that the Tac Cmdr. slot and you had an all-around murderbird :sunglasses:
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    zerokillcf2011zerokillcf2011 Member Posts: 545 Arc User
    At least on the plus side the Romulans can use any faction T6 science ship you have purchased? So still not ROMULAN persay, but you can successfully fly a Rom Sci toon. Just very limited T6 Romulan flavor (as mentioned) vs having to use your Fed or Klink ships.
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    jagdtier44jagdtier44 Member Posts: 376 Arc User
    zerokillcf2011 wrote: »
    At least on the plus side the Romulans can use any faction T6 science ship you have purchased? So still not ROMULAN persay, but you can successfully fly a Rom Sci toon. Just very limited T6 Romulan flavor (as mentioned) vs having to use your Fed or Klink ships.

    Meh.. I don't roll Romulans to fly Fed/KDF ships... about the only perk I've seen from the Roms can fly allied ships is when I want a ship like the tac MW just for the trait I can opt into the Fed version since most my Roms are fed aligned and my Fed captains can than get the trait as well.. The negative being that another Rom ship goes unsold for Cryptic to use as weight against making Rom ships :( So I still view it as a loss
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    rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,018 Community Moderator
    While Romulans are somewhat lacking in the science ship department, they do have a few options such as the Laeosa and the three multimission explorers.
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    chipg7 wrote: »
    You brought back a memory, lol.

    You know what was a shockingly good Sci warbird? The freakin' Sci Scimitar, the Tulwar!

    Space for 5 Sci consoles, +10 aux power, and a dedicated Sci Lt. BOFF slot. Plus you could fill in the universal Ens. and Lt.Cmdr. BOFFs for moar Sci shenanigans.

    Add to that the Tac Cmdr. slot and you had an all-around murderbird :sunglasses:
    Diaula flew that one too! :D
    zerokillcf2011 wrote: »
    At least on the plus side the Romulans can use any faction T6 science ship you have purchased? So still not ROMULAN persay, but you can successfully fly a Rom Sci toon. Just very limited T6 Romulan flavor (as mentioned) vs having to use your Fed or Klink ships.
    For extra fun the "Romulan" MMSV is a Romulan twist on the Vulcan D'Kyr. :p It's certainly not a true Vulcan design, but it's a hybrid of them. Love it. :D
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    jagdtier44jagdtier44 Member Posts: 376 Arc User
    spielman1 wrote: »
    jagdtier44 wrote: »
    zerokillcf2011 wrote: »
    At least on the plus side the Romulans can use any faction T6 science ship you have purchased? So still not ROMULAN persay, but you can successfully fly a Rom Sci toon. Just very limited T6 Romulan flavor (as mentioned) vs having to use your Fed or Klink ships.

    Meh.. I don't roll Romulans to fly Fed/KDF ships... about the only perk I've seen from the Roms can fly allied ships is when I want a ship like the tac MW just for the trait I can opt into the Fed version since most my Roms are fed aligned and my Fed captains can than get the trait as well.. The negative being that another Rom ship goes unsold for Cryptic to use as weight against making Rom ships :( So I still view it as a loss

    I don't use any allied ships on my Rom characters, isn't hard to add Romulan ships to the game or Klingon ships to the game since apparently they ran out of Fed ships why not put that ship making focus on Klingons or Romulans already.

    A side tangent but I do always get a kick out of it when Fed players say to Rom players "but what Romulan ships are left?!" as for why more Romulan ships are hard to make, as if.. there isn't this massive pile of Cryptic created Starfleet/Romulan/Klingon vessels in the game already
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    trennantrennan Member Posts: 2,839 Arc User
    I'm all for this guys. I'm not up to par on my romulan ship setups, or I'd see what I could put together. However feel free to use my stat blocks for three ships here

    https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1247233/science-3-pack-proposal/p1

    to see what you can put together. Also, use this:

    https://sto.gamepedia.com/Playable_starship

    This way you can bounce through the variable science ships, for stats and mastery. As far as trait and console, not much I can help with there. As I said, I'm not up to par on what the romulan players are looking for in a ship, so I can help much beyond maybe some advice.
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    mopic312mopic312 Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    Hey thanks for the information, Its has been a while and I just never really thought about it until I started looking at some of the t6 romulan ships, then noticed I never get pass a commander science. I can see the klings not all into science being all warlike, but the romulans... You kidding, aren't they almost vulcan and we know how sciency they are.
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    baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,320 Community Moderator
    Spartan has already said that she's working on Romulan ships. And everyone was already told Romulan ships would be returning after Discovery.
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    ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    I seem to remember Voyager contacting a Romulan Science ship in 'Eye of the Needle'. But it could have been Tactical or Engineering Ship with a Scientist aboard. ;)
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    warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited March 2019
    mopic312 wrote: »
    Kind of confused as too why the Romulans just not into science?

    The T6 Science command ship <---"Science". Has An engineer Command slot and only a LT Command slot on a Science ship? why not the othe way around? its a Science ship!....

    Why after all these years of Startrek online, The Romulans haven't designed the ability to speed up their plasma warp torps? I do get sick of watching my torps float around in space with nothing to hit... (C'mon STO show the romulans some love..}

    I don't think you know how to identify a Science Vessel from a Cruiser. While KDF & Rom Sci Vessels are limited in choice compared to Feds, the Sci Vessel situation is a lot better than it was compared to, say LOR and Delta Rising releases of this game.
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    mopic312mopic312 Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    baddmoonrizin wrote: »
    Spartan has already said that she's working on Romulan ships. And everyone was already told Romulan ships would be returning after Discovery.

    ****
    Great, I will just hold on to my coins until then, Man I hope we do we some upgrades to the Romulans as a whole, for a race that deals in nothing but Plasma..:)
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    mopic312mopic312 Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    warmaker001b wrote: »
    mopic312 wrote: »
    Kind of confused as too why the Romulans just not into science?

    The T6 Science command ship <---"Science". Has An engineer Command slot and only a LT Command slot on a Science ship? why not the othe way around? its a Science ship!....

    Why after all these years of Startrek online, The Romulans haven't designed the ability to speed up their plasma warp torps? I do get sick of watching my torps float around in space with nothing to hit... (C'mon STO show the romulans some love..}

    I don't think you know how to identify a Science Vessel from a Cruiser. While KDF & Rom Sci Vessels are limited in choice compared to Feds, the Sci Vessel situation is a lot better than it was compared to, say LOR and Delta Rising releases of this game.


    *******
    Huh? what has that got to do with the limited amount of science ships any race has? The statement was the lack of a "True Science ships" not hybrids from another race. (In any event, this was not to get in a flame war, just asking a question) relax.

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    majorcharvenakmajorcharvenak Member Posts: 227 Arc User
    Fleet Laeosa or the explorer. They're both beauties. If you don't care for or can live without singularity powers, might want to give the temporal sci vessel a look.
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    jagdtier44jagdtier44 Member Posts: 376 Arc User
    spielman1 wrote: »
    jagdtier44 wrote: »
    spielman1 wrote: »
    jagdtier44 wrote: »
    zerokillcf2011 wrote: »
    At least on the plus side the Romulans can use any faction T6 science ship you have purchased? So still not ROMULAN persay, but you can successfully fly a Rom Sci toon. Just very limited T6 Romulan flavor (as mentioned) vs having to use your Fed or Klink ships.

    Meh.. I don't roll Romulans to fly Fed/KDF ships... about the only perk I've seen from the Roms can fly allied ships is when I want a ship like the tac MW just for the trait I can opt into the Fed version since most my Roms are fed aligned and my Fed captains can than get the trait as well.. The negative being that another Rom ship goes unsold for Cryptic to use as weight against making Rom ships :( So I still view it as a loss

    I don't use any allied ships on my Rom characters, isn't hard to add Romulan ships to the game or Klingon ships to the game since apparently they ran out of Fed ships why not put that ship making focus on Klingons or Romulans already.

    A side tangent but I do always get a kick out of it when Fed players say to Rom players "but what Romulan ships are left?!" as for why more Romulan ships are hard to make, as if.. there isn't this massive pile of Cryptic created Starfleet/Romulan/Klingon vessels in the game already

    Yeah but there is also a bunch of ships that is cannon out of game and lore on Romulan ships also they could tap into. All I ask is a bit more focus on the Romulans and Klingon ship for now and slow down on the Federation ships considerably.

    yeah that would be fantastic but that's unfortunately never going to happen. Fed ships are the cash cows of the game so the best we could hope for is continued parity of releases.

    Also the rage of Mainline Fed players would flood these forums since Roms have SROs and access to allied ships, the sheer dropping of a Rom KDF pack would send many screaming, because SRO.. and ship roster
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    mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    mopic312 wrote: »
    Kind of confused as too why the Romulans just not into science?

    The T6 Science command ship <---"Science". Has An engineer Command slot and only a LT Command slot on a Science ship? why not the othe way around? its a Science ship!....

    Because in the end, it's still the Romulan equivalent of a Cruiser, just with a Science focus. But as a Cruiser-type, it "needs" a Commander Engineer slot.

    The model for most endgame ship bundles is that all 3 ships fall into one of the general 3 classifications determinign their primary role: Cruiser (=> Commander Engineer), Science Vessel (=> Commander Science), Escort (=> Commander Tactical). The ships in the bundle then basically have a "secondary role" which often determines the Lt.Cmdr slot and the console arrangement, and is picked from the basic classes (Engineering, Science, Tactical).

    On top of that, there are additional subclasses (like Battlecruiser or Flight Deck Escort or Multi-Mission Science Vessel ) or modifiers like "Dreadnought" (typically leads to an extra weapon slot and a hangar bay and a lower turn rate than typical, but not always) or Carrier (basically sacrifices weapon slots to get 2 hangar bays and the ability to use frigates) or Raider (typicaly means a lot of Universal slots, Raider Flanking and a higher maneuverability than typical).
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    zerokillcf2011zerokillcf2011 Member Posts: 545 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    I seem to remember Voyager contacting a Romulan Science ship in 'Eye of the Needle'. But it could have been Tactical or Engineering Ship with a Scientist aboard. ;)

    But don't forget it was also a temporal shift back like 40 years or something to the romulan timeline. so.....
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    ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
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    zerokillcf2011zerokillcf2011 Member Posts: 545 Arc User
    Stand corrected.
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    captainwellscaptainwells Member Posts: 718 Arc User
    I've got several Romulan toons in my repertoire and someone in my fleet suggested the Tier 6 Surhuelh Reconnaissance Explorer Warbird, and that one really is a good ship .... if anyone wants to give it a try.
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