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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    nebfab wrote: »
    nebfab wrote: »

    The Escorts however, are inferior to all current pilot escorts in pretty much every possible way.

    IDK. Between flanking (I hope they'll get it) and scaling tier (good for new players/alts) they can be nice value... If they were in their own pack.

    Even with the currently announced improvements, ops pack is still a rip-off, and as individual buys it depends on what other ships you have and how annoyed are you by needing to switch ships as you level...

    They don't have flanking and are unlikely to get it.

    Was there anything on the stream or somewhere else to that effect?
    The Jayce write-up (which, I know is just a piece of non-binding fluff) https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11084713-jayce's-interstellar:-around-the-galaxy makes it sound like they will, and this isn't the first time when Cryptic forgot to mention these kinds of features in the official stats.

    I agree that without flanking it's clearly a subpar ship, scaling or no scaling.

    I don't see anything in that article that even references Raider Flanking, much less suggests that it will be added.

    Honestly, it doesn't much matter to me either way. All the other Pilot Escorts have 5 forward weapons and are fleet level right from the c-store. I don't think adding flanking would offset that loss.
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  • alcmaeonidaealcmaeonidae Member Posts: 61 Arc User
    nebfab wrote: »
    nebfab wrote: »

    The Escorts however, are inferior to all current pilot escorts in pretty much every possible way.

    IDK. Between flanking (I hope they'll get it) and scaling tier (good for new players/alts) they can be nice value... If they were in their own pack.

    Even with the currently announced improvements, ops pack is still a rip-off, and as individual buys it depends on what other ships you have and how annoyed are you by needing to switch ships as you level...

    They don't have flanking and are unlikely to get it.

    Was there anything on the stream or somewhere else to that effect?
    The Jayce write-up (which, I know is just a piece of non-binding fluff) https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11084713-jayce's-interstellar:-around-the-galaxy makes it sound like they will, and this isn't the first time when Cryptic forgot to mention these kinds of features in the official stats.

    I agree that without flanking it's clearly a subpar ship, scaling or no scaling.

    I don't see anything in that article that even references Raider Flanking, much less suggests that it will be added.

    Honestly, it doesn't much matter to me either way. All the other Pilot Escorts have 5 forward weapons and are fleet level right from the c-store. I don't think adding flanking would offset that loss.

    To quote the Jayce's Interstellar post: "Additionally, the future Shran will have a high-resolution targeting sensor suite [sic] can identify structural weaknesses typically found in the aft aspect of most starships." That does sound like raider flanking.
  • alcmaeonidaealcmaeonidae Member Posts: 61 Arc User
    nebfab wrote: »
    nebfab wrote: »

    The Escorts however, are inferior to all current pilot escorts in pretty much every possible way.

    IDK. Between flanking (I hope they'll get it) and scaling tier (good for new players/alts) they can be nice value... If they were in their own pack.

    Even with the currently announced improvements, ops pack is still a rip-off, and as individual buys it depends on what other ships you have and how annoyed are you by needing to switch ships as you level...

    They don't have flanking and are unlikely to get it.

    Was there anything on the stream or somewhere else to that effect?
    The Jayce write-up (which, I know is just a piece of non-binding fluff) https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11084713-jayce's-interstellar:-around-the-galaxy makes it sound like they will, and this isn't the first time when Cryptic forgot to mention these kinds of features in the official stats.

    I agree that without flanking it's clearly a subpar ship, scaling or no scaling.

    I don't see anything in that article that even references Raider Flanking, much less suggests that it will be added.

    Honestly, it doesn't much matter to me either way. All the other Pilot Escorts have 5 forward weapons and are fleet level right from the c-store. I don't think adding flanking would offset that loss.

    To quote from the [grammatically flawed] Jayce's Interstellar post: "Additionally, the future Shran will have a high-resolution targeting sensor suite can identify structural weaknesses typically found in the aft aspect of most starships." That does sound like raider flanking.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    nebfab wrote: »
    nebfab wrote: »

    The Escorts however, are inferior to all current pilot escorts in pretty much every possible way.

    IDK. Between flanking (I hope they'll get it) and scaling tier (good for new players/alts) they can be nice value... If they were in their own pack.

    Even with the currently announced improvements, ops pack is still a rip-off, and as individual buys it depends on what other ships you have and how annoyed are you by needing to switch ships as you level...

    They don't have flanking and are unlikely to get it.

    Was there anything on the stream or somewhere else to that effect?
    The Jayce write-up (which, I know is just a piece of non-binding fluff) https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11084713-jayce's-interstellar:-around-the-galaxy makes it sound like they will, and this isn't the first time when Cryptic forgot to mention these kinds of features in the official stats.

    I agree that without flanking it's clearly a subpar ship, scaling or no scaling.

    I don't see anything in that article that even references Raider Flanking, much less suggests that it will be added.

    Honestly, it doesn't much matter to me either way. All the other Pilot Escorts have 5 forward weapons and are fleet level right from the c-store. I don't think adding flanking would offset that loss.

    To quote from the [grammatically flawed] Jayce's Interstellar post: "Additionally, the future Shran will have a high-resolution targeting sensor suite can identify structural weaknesses typically found in the aft aspect of most starships." That does sound like raider flanking.

    Interesting, wonder what his source is for this.

    Either way, it's all personal opinion.. I get that.. but for me it still doesn't make these worth it over something like the Andorian Pilot Escorts, but that's just based on what I like.

    I'm sure someone will find these interesting, I find them underwhelming.
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  • peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    edited February 2019
    nebfab wrote: »
    nebfab wrote: »

    The Escorts however, are inferior to all current pilot escorts in pretty much every possible way.

    IDK. Between flanking (I hope they'll get it) and scaling tier (good for new players/alts) they can be nice value... If they were in their own pack.

    Even with the currently announced improvements, ops pack is still a rip-off, and as individual buys it depends on what other ships you have and how annoyed are you by needing to switch ships as you level...

    They don't have flanking and are unlikely to get it.

    Was there anything on the stream or somewhere else to that effect?
    The Jayce write-up (which, I know is just a piece of non-binding fluff) https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11084713-jayce's-interstellar:-around-the-galaxy makes it sound like they will, and this isn't the first time when Cryptic forgot to mention these kinds of features in the official stats.

    I agree that without flanking it's clearly a subpar ship, scaling or no scaling.

    I don't see anything in that article that even references Raider Flanking, much less suggests that it will be added.

    Honestly, it doesn't much matter to me either way. All the other Pilot Escorts have 5 forward weapons and are fleet level right from the c-store. I don't think adding flanking would offset that loss.

    To quote from the [grammatically flawed] Jayce's Interstellar post: "Additionally, the future Shran will have a high-resolution targeting sensor suite can identify structural weaknesses typically found in the aft aspect of most starships." That does sound like raider flanking.

    Interesting, wonder what his source is for this.

    Either way, it's all personal opinion.. I get that.. but for me it still doesn't make these worth it over something like the Andorian Pilot Escorts, but that's just based on what I like.

    I'm sure someone will find these interesting, I find them underwhelming.

    I agree for sure as far as the escort is concerned. I would not want to fly it in consideration of what else is available (with or without flaking if you compare the maquis raider for example). :)

    The Battlecruiser is no performance milestone either but that one is at least a miracle worker ship with an additional console slot, access to the respective powers and 5/3 loadout. Still... one would need to get the fleet version.

    The pack has really a hard time to convince. :/
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  • nebfabnebfab Member Posts: 672 Arc User
    edited February 2019
    So, could @ambassadorkael#6946 or someone else in a position to know confirm flanking/no flanking on these ships? Because we seem to have two official sources contradicting each other here and the difference can make it either an OK (if still probably not top performer) ship with nice QoL or a DPS dealer that can't actually deal DPS (T5 freebies would probably out-perform it w/o flanking...)
  • burstorionburstorion Member Posts: 1,750 Arc User
    edited February 2019

    It's almost like Cryptic wants to see how few of these things they can actually sell. This is the most botched product launch in STO history hands down.

    This is a hard pass on everything.

    T5 Bortas'qu makes it second place... this is unlikely to kill off a large chunk of the fed population nor cause Cryptic to not release ships for that faction for a long time, after all.

  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 6,054 Arc User
    edited February 2019
    nebfab wrote: »
    So, could @ambassadorkael#6946 or someone else in a position to know confirm flanking/no flanking on these ships?

    They haven't said anything, yet???
    I am assuming "Raider Flanking" goes with "Raider" class (and BoP).
    But would love to see a corrected description.
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  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    where2r1 wrote: »
    nebfab wrote: »
    So, could @ambassadorkael#6946 or someone else in a position to know confirm flanking/no flanking on these ships?

    They haven't said anything, yet???
    I am assuming "Raider Flanking" goes with "Raider" class (and BoP).
    But would love to see a corrected description.

    There was a hero collector article that came out a day or so ago that mentions the raider flanking mechanic for the Shran. Here is the article: https://www.herocollector.com/en-us/Article/star-trek-online-uss-shran?fbclid=IwAR0P4SvK-m6gWB0iXAjrLXEiAAIJaQXgn6uqysumYQEzOOAITRK0uk8ePlA

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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,245 Community Moderator
    The light escorts and BOP have raider flanking.
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  • vengefuldjinnvengefuldjinn Member Posts: 1,520 Arc User
    Okay so when can we purchase this pack?
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  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,101 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    > @kodachikuno said:
    > azrael605 wrote: »
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    > > @iconians said:
    > > I might pick up the Fleet Variants with my T6 Reputation fleet modules. But the $120 pack itself is an absolute rip-off, and there are more people who agree with me than those who don't.​​
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    > Proof?
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    > look at reddit, twitter, and forum

    That is not even remotely proof of any kind as less than 5 percent of the playerbase ever uses any of those platforms. So that equals exactly jack TRIBBLE.

    Actually, only about 10% of the overall playerbase buys ANYTHING at all. (Seriously, known stat.) ;)
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  • aspartan1aspartan1 Member Posts: 1,054 Arc User
    Its a very hard sell for me as a Romulan player. I got the Discovery Pack to support the game but this offering does not seem worth it to me frankly speaking. I will likely get it if it has a 50% off sale or it is improved considerably.

    Luckily for me there are the Vaad ships for me to enjoy since the offerings for Romulans has been essentially nil for a very long time.
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  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 6,054 Arc User
    The light escorts and BOP have raider flanking.

    Thanks for checking, baddmoonrizin. :)
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  • nebfabnebfab Member Posts: 672 Arc User
    edited February 2019
    The light escorts and BOP have raider flanking.
    Thanks for the clarification :)
    where2r1 wrote: »
    I am assuming "Raider Flanking" goes with "Raider" class (and BoP).
    Except they were also described as "light escorts" the only other out there is Aquarius and it's like a raider, but has no flanking (as far as I know, never flew it) and an escort, not raider mastery buffs at T5U.

    I would see why Fed may not want any "raiders" in the Starfleet, but the "light escort" designation is a bit confusing because of that.
  • nommo#5819 nommo Member Posts: 1,105 Arc User
    The light escorts and BOP have raider flanking.

    What's the source to confirm? It isn't on the official linked page for those ships' stats. I ask since, "Community Moderators are Unpaid Volunteers and NOT Employees of PWE/Cryptic Views and Opinions May Not Reflect the Views and Opinions of PWE/Cryptic". It makes sense for them to have the raider flanking ability, it should be the Improved, & that's what the majority have bene saying, but I'm not going to spend $120 based upon BMR.
  • megacharge07megacharge07 Member Posts: 476 Arc User
    edited February 2019
    If I can use the B'Rel Retrofit skin on the M'Chla BoP and it has raider flanking, I will get that ship.
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,245 Community Moderator
    The source is: I asked, since it seemed y'all needed some clarity there, and was given that as the answer.
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  • keppoch1keppoch1 Member Posts: 74 Arc User
    edited February 2019
    > @baddmoonrizin said:
    > The source is: I asked, since it seemed y'all needed some clarity there, and was given that as the answer.

    You might find the following article by a criptic developer interesting.

    https://www.herocollector.com/en-us/Article/star-trek-online-uss-shran

    It says the Magee has raider flanking among other things
  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    keppoch1 wrote: »
    > @baddmoonrizin said:
    > The source is: I asked, since it seemed y'all needed some clarity there, and was given that as the answer.

    You might find the following article by a criptic developer interesting.

    https://www.herocollector.com/en-us/Article/star-trek-online-uss-shran

    It says the Magee has raider flanking among other things

    I posted that a few posts up.

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  • keppoch1keppoch1 Member Posts: 74 Arc User
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    > I posted that a few posts up.

    That is what I get for not reading all the posts.

    :)
  • nommo#5819 nommo Member Posts: 1,105 Arc User
    edited February 2019
    The source is: I asked, since it seemed y'all needed some clarity there, and was given that as the answer.

    In the Ten Forward Weekly live stream that concluded awhile ago it was asked & answered as well. It is regular flanking damage at that & not the Improved raider flanking for even more detail. Citing sources is always beneficial to everyone.
  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 6,054 Arc User
    edited February 2019
    If I can use the B'Rel Retrofit skin on the M'Chla BoP and it has raider flanking, I will get that ship.

    That would be nice. But don't know if I would switch to it.

    It is unique this Discovery one. I hope I can paint the tips of the wings a blood red color in the tailor. :::evil grin:::: :naughty:
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  • nommo#5819 nommo Member Posts: 1,105 Arc User
    In the Ten Forward Weekly
    If I can use the B'Rel Retrofit skin on the M'Chla BoP and it has raider flanking, I will get that ship.

    During the Wed. Ten Forward Weekly live stream it was stated that the raiders both have flanking. It is just the regular flanking & not the Improved however. no idea about the capability of swapping ship skins between the two you mentioned, interesting inquiry.
  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    Oh snap, are these all gonna scale with level!?

    Uh, hm... I... if I pick the game back up anytime soon, I may be snagging the Gagarin.
  • nommo#5819 nommo Member Posts: 1,105 Arc User
    jexsamx wrote: »
    Oh snap, are these all gonna scale with level!?

    Uh, hm... I... if I pick the game back up anytime soon, I may be snagging the Gagarin.

    The 4 main ships all fully level scale.
  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    nommo#5819 wrote: »
    jexsamx wrote: »
    Oh snap, are these all gonna scale with level!?

    Uh, hm... I... if I pick the game back up anytime soon, I may be snagging the Gagarin.

    The 4 main ships all fully level scale.

    Rad. May well be the excuse I needed to pick my DSC toon back up. I rolled her when the Discovery content first dropped, but I was already pretty burnt out from ViL. Miffed it took until after the anniversary event to happen but I feel the itch coming back and I've surely got some lifer stipend saved up enough that I should be able to grab the Gagarin at no or nearly no personal cost...

    Decisions, decisions...
  • nommo#5819 nommo Member Posts: 1,105 Arc User
    jexsamx wrote: »
    nommo#5819 wrote: »
    jexsamx wrote: »
    Oh snap, are these all gonna scale with level!?

    Uh, hm... I... if I pick the game back up anytime soon, I may be snagging the Gagarin.

    The 4 main ships all fully level scale.

    Rad. May well be the excuse I needed to pick my DSC toon back up. I rolled her when the Discovery content first dropped, but I was already pretty burnt out from ViL. Miffed it took until after the anniversary event to happen but I feel the itch coming back and I've surely got some lifer stipend saved up enough that I should be able to grab the Gagarin at no or nearly no personal cost...

    Decisions, decisions...

    Well as much as I think this pack doesn't offer enough for the price remember to consider it since breaking a pack is hardly ever worth it. I'm still probably skipping this pack for now myself but just like many there are features within that are very tempting.

    If you bought the Disc Starter pack back when then you get a deeper discount currently so look into that. If that Gagarin is the only thing that seems irresistible for you then that is great since it helps with the decision one way or another & it will be on sale.

    Cryptic's marketing ploy towards us customers with this pack just leaves a bad taste. Too much like EA & Bethesda to me.
  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    Oh don't worry, this isn't my first rodeo. Learned my lesson the hard way during LoR when I ended up buying most of the pack piecemeal anyway like an idiot. Though in my defence, I was jobless at the time, and I bought the ships over the course of a couple of years. But still.

    And yeah, the Gagarin is the only thing I see in the entire bundle that I'd consider using. Not a fan of the Shran, no desire for the BOffs or combat tardigrade, and all my KDF toons are pretty much married to their ships so there's no chance they'll swap out. Not that I'd ever consider using that incredibly ugly cruiser.

    The Gagarin has its flaws, sure, but I've never played a MW cruiser before and I think it's probably the sexiest ship in DSC barring the Crossfield itself and the revamped Constitution, and it's not like it's a trash tier ship either. And it's not like I haven't had Zen piling up during my months-long hiatus, so why not?
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