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A question of crew

So... I've been modelling my TOS character after Kirk and the original crew... but I'm undecided about a couple of the assignments. Most are easy, but let me ask what you think about the others.

First, let me explain my thinking on the stations.
There are 6 positions on the Bridge.

Tactical (Helm) -Sulu
Tactical (Security) -????
Engineering (Engineering) -Scott
Engineering (Operations) -????
Science (Science) -Spock
Science (Medical)- McCoy

Now, most of those are easy. The problems are the Security and Operations positions. Clearly, Uhura and Chekov will fill these posts, but I wasn't sure which to put where.

Uhura could actually be the SECURITY chief, coordinating security teams from the communications station on the bridge. That she wears red even matches up with this.
This would mean Chekov is Operations, which was Data's station. This would also match up with his work on the Bridge, as he often takes Spock's scanner, and he wears the gold shirt Data did.

Of course, it could be the other way around.

Uhura could be Operations, as she handles communications and all the shipboard activity. Chekov would then be Security (Tactical), which would be in keeping with his being at Navigation. Of course, he ought to wear red in that case....


So, I'm undecided. I'm leaning toward the former, with Uhura as Security Chief and Chekov at Ops, but was curious to know what the community thinks.
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  • azrael605azrael605 Member Posts: 8,615 Arc User
    Chekov is security, Uhura is operations.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 45,922 Arc User
    You can't really compare departmental colors between TOS and TNG as Command and Operations (Security/Engineering) switched between the two. In TOS Command wore gold and Ops wore Red. Hence the term Redshirt when referring to the poor security guys who always died. In TNG it was switched so that Command wore red and Ops wore Gold.

    So saying Chekov is in the correct place because of what uniform color Data wore is a rather bad example.

    Also stations on the bridge were set up differently on a Galaxy class vs a Constitution class. Chekov was actually at the tactical station.
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  • colonelmarikcolonelmarik Member Posts: 1,516 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    You can't really compare departmental colors between TOS and TNG as Command and Operations (Security/Engineering) switched between the two. In TOS Command wore gold and Ops wore Red. Hence the term Redshirt when referring to the poor security guys who always died. In TNG it was switched so that Command wore red and Ops wore Gold.

    So saying Chekov is in the correct place because of what uniform color Data wore is a rather bad example.

    Also stations on the bridge were set up differently on a Galaxy class vs a Constitution class. Chekov was actually at the tactical station.

    Oh, I know... I'm just using that as a descriptor.

    Operations would have been responsible for managing shipboard activities, but also mission operations. Either one of them could easily be described doing that. But we also saw the Operations officer (Data) doing scanning and scientific duties, which Chekov also did. That might suggest he would be Ops. However, he was also responsible for weapons in the movies, which might suggest he's a tactical officer, which might suggest Security.
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  • colonelmarikcolonelmarik Member Posts: 1,516 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    Chekov is security, Uhura is operations.

    Can you explain your rationale?
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 4,824 Community Moderator
    Uhura - Operations, Chekov - Security.

    First, in-game, the Holo-BOFFs have Uhura classified as Engineering and Chekov as Tactical.

    Also, Chekov was the Security Chief aboard the refit Enterprise. Uhura was the Communications Officer, which, I suppose, could fall under Operations.
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  • azrael605azrael605 Member Posts: 8,615 Arc User
    > @colonelmarik said:
    > azrael605 wrote: »
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    > Chekov is security, Uhura is operations.
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    > Can you explain your rationale?

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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,563 Arc User
    edited January 10
    Star Trek hasn't exactly been consistent with officer designators but I generally group communications officer as a science specialty rather than operations. Aquiel Uhnari, the only confirmed communications officer in the 24th century series, wore a blue shirt, and the job would logically require expertise in linguistics and cryptography (the former of which Uhura is confirmed to have, at least in the novels and the Kelvin Timeline).

    Chekov I usually think was the tactical officer, a different post from helmsman or conn officer (remember that this isn't a ship with fixed-position weapons).
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  • kellmg96#5851 kellmg96 Member Posts: 319 Arc User
    Can we not bring up Aquiel?
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  • colonelmarikcolonelmarik Member Posts: 1,516 Arc User
    starswordc wrote: »
    Star Trek hasn't exactly been consistent with officer designators but I generally group communications officer as a science specialty rather than operations. Aquiel Uhnari, the only confirmed communications officer in the 24th century series, wore a blue shirt, and the job would logically require expertise in linguistics and cryptography (the former of which Uhura is confirmed to have, at least in the novels and the Kelvin Timeline).

    Chekov I usually think was the tactical officer, a different post from helmsman or conn officer (remember that this isn't a ship with fixed-position weapons).

    I would have thought communications would be a job most anyone COULD do, probably as part of a larger responsibility. I mean, on the Enterprise D, Worf (Yar) usually did the communications tasks. That might support the idea of that task usually falling to Security.

    Of course, Hoshi was also science... In any case, Uhura is clearly not a science officer. That they've made the NPCs they way they have might be telling, though.

    Still, I think there's an argument both ways.

    My inclination has always been to do it the way they seem to have done, with Uhura as Operations and Chekov as Security. I just thought there was a good argument for the opposite arrangement.
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  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 1,135 Arc User
    Communications is an intresting since you need both cryptography and Xenolinguistic skills, they would also need limited engineering skills to troubleshoot the coms should there be issues.

    That said it's best to remember that the roles aren't mutually exclusive and it's possible to a person who is both science and engineering or tactical and what ever branch navigator is (that is btw Chekov's bridge position).

    Even excluding the kelvin-timeline Geordi LaForge went from a helmsman to be the chief engineer (so he obviously had training in both) and so did Miles O'Brien (though in his case from navigator to chief of engineering/operations).
  • colonelmarikcolonelmarik Member Posts: 1,516 Arc User
    edited January 11
    The question is also complicated by the fact that they both wear blue-grey in the Wrath of Khan, suggesting they're in the same division... So it's possible Chekov changed specialties later in his career...?

    I have to admit, I rather like the idea of Uhura actually being chief of Security. Star Trek was a progressive show, having a female Security Chief would have been even MORE progressive in the 60s, eh?
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  • colonelmarikcolonelmarik Member Posts: 1,516 Arc User

    spiritborn wrote: »
    Communications is an intresting since you need both cryptography and Xenolinguistic skills, they would also need limited engineering skills to troubleshoot the coms should there be issues.

    That said it's best to remember that the roles aren't mutually exclusive and it's possible to a person who is both science and engineering or tactical and what ever branch navigator is (that is btw Chekov's bridge position).

    Even excluding the kelvin-timeline Geordi LaForge went from a helmsman to be the chief engineer (so he obviously had training in both) and so did Miles O'Brien (though in his case from navigator to chief of engineering/operations).

    We also saw Troi pilot the ship (more or less). I suspect all officers in all departments would get training to pilot this ship (and shuttles).
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  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 1,135 Arc User
    spiritborn wrote: »
    Communications is an intresting since you need both cryptography and Xenolinguistic skills, they would also need limited engineering skills to troubleshoot the coms should there be issues.

    That said it's best to remember that the roles aren't mutually exclusive and it's possible to a person who is both science and engineering or tactical and what ever branch navigator is (that is btw Chekov's bridge position).

    Even excluding the kelvin-timeline Geordi LaForge went from a helmsman to be the chief engineer (so he obviously had training in both) and so did Miles O'Brien (though in his case from navigator to chief of engineering/operations).

    We also saw Troi pilot the ship (more or less). I suspect all officers in all departments would get training to pilot this ship (and shuttles).

    True but Troi was never "the pilot" for the ship, more a case of "it's the best we got at the moment".

    Essentially you'd never see Troi in the Helmsman seat if there was viable alternative, while being the helmsman was LaForge's primary job for the whole of season 1 of TNG. The difference being what is the primary duty and what's back up of back up's back up.

    For example my primary duty during my military service was a staff position in the regimental HQ, while I did perform other tasks when no-one else was avaible and I was a viable option. Still my primary duty remained the same for the whole 11 months I was in service.

    Also I suspect that people like Troi have basic piloting skills (we see her at helm only twice, at Generations and Nemesis), while the assigned Helmsman would have more advanced training.
  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 4,824 Community Moderator
    There's a lot of cross-training in Starfleet. :mrgreen:

    Sulu, along with being the helmsman, was an astroscientist with a specialty in botany.

    Chekov was the navigator, but also weapons officer and back up science officer, later security chief and tactical officer.

    Uhura was also a relief science officer in addition to being head of communications.
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  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 1,135 Arc User
    There's a lot of cross-training in Starfleet. :mrgreen:

    Sulu, along with being the helmsman, was an astroscientist with a specialty in botany.

    Chekov was the navigator, but also weapons officer and back up science officer, later security chief and tactical officer.

    Uhura was also a relief science officer in addition to being head of communications.

    I think it was also implied that Picard was both a helmsman and a science officer, before he became a CO of a starship.

    I'd suspect that each and every single Starfleet officer would have basic training in tactical, piloting and science, enough that know which end of the phaser to point at the enemy, pilot shuttles by themselves in trivial situations and can gather samples without contaminating them.
  • colonelmarikcolonelmarik Member Posts: 1,516 Arc User
    I tend to agree. Piloting a ship (which presumably means shuttles more than starships, but any pilot in a storm) would probably be part of basic training. Junior officers (like Picard when he was a helmsman, or Geordi) might be expected to fill that role until they're better able to fill their "trained" role, like science or engineering. Of course, that's all supposition, but it seems to make sense, given what we've seen.
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  • patrickngopatrickngo Member Posts: 9,512 Arc User
    while it tickles me to think of Uhura as being the chief of security, I'd have to fall on Operations instead, which also suggests she had a more prominent role as Ops officer than she would have as a security puke.

    Ops generally tells Security what to do, and Uhura outranked Chekhov throughout the series and into the movies.
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