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marty123#3757 marty123 Member Posts: 572 Arc User
edited November 2018 in Ten Forward
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would you like to see DS9 look something like this in the Picard show and/or STO?

DS9 New Look 24 votes

Yes
8%
garaks31evilmark444 2 votes
No
91%
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 4,700 Arc User
    Yes
    I never liked the original design of DS9 tbh, so a Federation style refit would be great imho.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 46,527 Arc User
    No
    Nope.

    That looks like a frickin' Gimble. A little too much like a Federation knockoff of the original, with less docking space.
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  • sevenofnine13141sevenofnine13141 Member Posts: 3,983 Arc User
    No
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 9,909 Bug Hunter
    No
    No. Keep the original Nor type or replace it with a standard Federation mushroom. There was no excuse for this design at all.​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 1,220 Arc User
    No
    artan42 wrote: »
    No. Keep the original Nor type or replace it with a standard Federation mushroom. There was no excuse for this design at all.​​
    I agree if you're gonna replace it, then replace it, don't make a off-brand knock-off of the orginal.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 10,605 Arc User
    Something similar to the Starbase Yorktown from Star Trek Beyond would be far more interesting than this unoriginal monstrosity.
  • coldnapalmcoldnapalm Member Posts: 6,971 Arc User
    No
    Dear god that is ugly. No...oh dear god no.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,133 Arc User
    No
    starkaos wrote: »
    Something similar to the Starbase Yorktown from Star Trek Beyond would be far more interesting than this unoriginal monstrosity.
    artan42 wrote: »
    No. Keep the original Nor type or replace it with a standard Federation mushroom. There was no excuse for this design at all.​​

    Agreed. There is no logical reason for Starfleet to adopt a Cardassian station design and "Starfleetize" it, if they have perfectly workable stations already.

    The DS9 replacement model is basically one of the failed designs from the concept phase, and I think it was failed for good reason.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 10,605 Arc User
    starkaos wrote: »
    Something similar to the Starbase Yorktown from Star Trek Beyond would be far more interesting than this unoriginal monstrosity.
    artan42 wrote: »
    No. Keep the original Nor type or replace it with a standard Federation mushroom. There was no excuse for this design at all.​​

    Agreed. There is no logical reason for Starfleet to adopt a Cardassian station design and "Starfleetize" it, if they have perfectly workable stations already.

    The DS9 replacement model is basically one of the failed designs from the concept phase, and I think it was failed for good reason.

    There is the problem that DS9 was originally an ore processing station. So while DS9 might have done an adequate job for ore processing, it had a lot of problems for being a trading station. Any replacement based on that design would just create a huge problem since it is not properly designed. The only reason why someone would go with that design is for political reasons instead of practical ones. DS9 was originally a symbol of oppression that turned into a symbol of hope. So that could be the reason why the new DS9 is a Starfleet version of DS9.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 33,310 Arc User
    No
    That's not really a good reason to revamp it into THIS though...
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 9,909 Bug Hunter
    No
    If the station itself was that important they'd just rebuild it or drag Empok Nor into the same place. Not build a new station that has some vaguely similar pointless bar things on it.​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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  • brian334brian334 Member Posts: 2,180 Arc User
    Hey, I know! Let's build a similar-looking space station to handle the increased merchant traffic in the area, and let's give it six fewer large vessel docking ports!
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 10,605 Arc User
    brian334 wrote: »
    Hey, I know! Let's build a similar-looking space station to handle the increased merchant traffic in the area, and let's give it six fewer large vessel docking ports!

    With transporters, are docking ports even necessary? It seems like the 24th Century has accepted or ignores the reality that transporters disintegrates the original and creates a copy at the destination.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 46,527 Arc User
    No
    Transporters aren't an end all mode of getting around. Its a convenience. Also... they go down for maintenance, what are you going to do? Swim over through space to an airlock? Not only that... sometimes you do need to dock with something to do repairs. You can't just beam a replacement nacelle or warp core in place.
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 9,909 Bug Hunter
    No
    Which method runs the risk of creating an evil clone of you, transporter or docking arms.
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

    #TASforSTO


    '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 33,310 Arc User
    No
    artan42 wrote: »
    If the station itself was that important they'd just rebuild it or drag Empok Nor into the same place. Not build a new station that has some vaguely similar pointless bar things on it.​​
    Also it'd be a good excuse for the Bajorans to build something they don't think is hideously ugly. I'm actually kinda curious what a Bajoran design would look like.
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  • brian334brian334 Member Posts: 2,180 Arc User
    I imagine the Pearly Gates motif is already taken...
  • coldnapalmcoldnapalm Member Posts: 6,971 Arc User
    No
    starkaos wrote: »
    brian334 wrote: »
    Hey, I know! Let's build a similar-looking space station to handle the increased merchant traffic in the area, and let's give it six fewer large vessel docking ports!

    With transporters, are docking ports even necessary? It seems like the 24th Century has accepted or ignores the reality that transporters disintegrates the original and creates a copy at the destination.

    From what we see in the show, transporters on ships have limits of what they can transport at once. And I suspect that having them run continually to transport a few crates at a time for hours or even days to deliver large shipments would pretty much blow something up. And it seems like extremely large items...like industrial replicators can't even be transported at all and you have to load and unload them manually.
  • startrekronstartrekron Member Posts: 201 Arc User
    No
    Why does there have to be just one station? The Wormhole is a MAJOR exploration hub so I would think that everyone would want a base on at least one side. Perhaps have large base built with the cooperation of all the major powers in the Galaxy (Federation, Romulan, Klingon, Dominion, Kazon, etc) to act like our International Space Station.

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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,620 Arc User
    No
    The only reason they replaced the station in the novels was because it got sabotaged for the umpteenth time and actually blew up this time. And the new version is fugly.
    Why does there have to be just one station? The Wormhole is a MAJOR exploration hub so I would think that everyone would want a base on at least one side. Perhaps have large base built with the cooperation of all the major powers in the Galaxy (Federation, Romulan, Klingon, Dominion, Kazon, etc) to act like our International Space Station.

    The wormhole isn't just an exploration hub, it's also a major trade juncture as well as a critical strategic (military) passage. And it and the station are territorial possessions of the Republic of Bajor, which is a member state of the Federation.

    (Also, the Kazon a major power? The people who don't know you can make water from hydrogen and oxygen? XD)
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 10,605 Arc User
    starswordc wrote: »
    (Also, the Kazon a major power? The people who don't know you can make water from hydrogen and oxygen? XD)

    What do you expect from an alien race that obtained all their technology by stealing from their former masters and others. There have been a few science fiction stories where technology became a religion. Various acolytes of the religion learn how to make and repair equipment by performing various rituals, but they don't understand how it works. With the Kazon, they could have been taught how to make and repair equipment, but not how it works. However, it is likely that the method to create equipment is compartmentalized to keep the Kazon unable to make weapons until after they obtained their freedom.

    Then there is the problem that even the Borg rejected the Kazon for assimilation and the Borg have very low standards for assimilation.

  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 46,527 Arc User
    No
    starkaos wrote: »
    There have been a few science fiction stories where technology became a religion. Various acolytes of the religion learn how to make and repair equipment by performing various rituals, but they don't understand how it works.

    Warhammer 40k comes to mind, specifically the Imperium and the belief in Machine Spirits and having to pray to them or something while doing things like cleaning a lazrifle.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 10,605 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    starkaos wrote: »
    There have been a few science fiction stories where technology became a religion. Various acolytes of the religion learn how to make and repair equipment by performing various rituals, but they don't understand how it works.

    Warhammer 40k comes to mind, specifically the Imperium and the belief in Machine Spirits and having to pray to them or something while doing things like cleaning a lazrifle.

    I was actually thinking of the Foundation series by Asimov. I have limited experience with the Warhammer 40k series. The only things I remember about the Imperium is that the emperor is immortal, it is an extremely brutal place, and their version of FTL travel is extremely dangerous.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 46,527 Arc User
    No
    Well... it gets even worse honestly. The Imperium's idea of tactics is if it doesn't involve Space Marines... just throw bodies at the problem until it is solved. If it does involve Space Marines... problem solved. Also... ANY alien technology is HERESY and must be destroyed because it is an affront to the Machine Spirits, even if it outperforms Imperium equivelents. Also rampant Xenophobia is pretty much the norm in the Imperium. If it ain't human, or even pure human... it is evil.

    Also the general lifespan of an Imperial Guardsman is pretty much seconds as soon as their boots hit the ground, and they're equipped with pretty much cardboard armor and glorified flashlights when compared to equivelent soldiers from other factions.

    Oh yea... and you can be executed for Heresy if you so much as touch an alien weapon to save hundreds of lives. A crack sniper, who in any other organization would have been given medals for bravery, was executed for using a Tau weapon to kill something big that threatened hundreds of civilians.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,620 Arc User
    edited December 2018
    No
    starkaos wrote: »
    starswordc wrote: »
    (Also, the Kazon a major power? The people who don't know you can make water from hydrogen and oxygen? XD)

    What do you expect from an alien race that obtained all their technology by stealing from their former masters and others. There have been a few science fiction stories where technology became a religion. Various acolytes of the religion learn how to make and repair equipment by performing various rituals, but they don't understand how it works. With the Kazon, they could have been taught how to make and repair equipment, but not how it works. However, it is likely that the method to create equipment is compartmentalized to keep the Kazon unable to make weapons until after they obtained their freedom.

    Then there is the problem that even the Borg rejected the Kazon for assimilation and the Borg have very low standards for assimilation.
    Sometimes a thing breaks, it can't be fixed.

    How do they make more of their technology, hmm? There's only so many times you can patch something before you need a replacement part. As it stands, I'm decent at troubleshooting my car and my motorcycles, just enough to do routine maintenance and be able to tell what part is broken and replace it, but I don't have the knowledge (or equipment, or materials) to manufacture, say, a new voltage regulator for my '83 GR650 (a piece so prone to breaking, BTW, that my mechanic tossed the stock unit and jury-rigged one from an 800cc bike).

    And that's with comparatively simple 20th century electronics, not computers that can navigate a ship at warp speed. Some repairs, even Geordi needs a shipyard for.

    TL;DR: The Kazons' stupidity is such that their continued existence comes solely from writer fiat.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 33,310 Arc User
    No
    The Kazon ARE a major power though since they control massive amounts of territory and resources. And yes, they DO actually manufacture their own stuff. In fact not all of their tech is stuff they stole. Yes, they have certain technical limitations that are weird, but some of that seems to be because the race they stole most of their tech from didn't have it either!
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  • hawkeyenfo117hawkeyenfo117 Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    I haven't read that much about this new Picard show. Can someone link to where this design comes from? Who came up with it? Thanks!
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 10,605 Arc User
    I haven't read that much about this new Picard show. Can someone link to where this design comes from? Who came up with it? Thanks!

    It is part of the novel universe which features the Typhon Pact and the destruction of the Borg Collective.
  • somtaawkharsomtaawkhar Member Posts: 5,274 Arc User
    edited December 2018
    starswordc wrote: »
    (Also, the Kazon a major power? The people who don't know you can make water from hydrogen and oxygen? XD)
    The Kazon ARE a major power though since they control massive amounts of territory and resources. And yes, they DO actually manufacture their own stuff. In fact not all of their tech is stuff they stole. Yes, they have certain technical limitations that are weird, but some of that seems to be because the race they stole most of their tech from didn't have it either!

    Heres a map of the local Alpha/Beta Quadrant powers including the Federation, Klingon Empire, Romulan Star Empire, Tholian Assembly, and Breen Confederacy, to sale with the size of the Kazon Collective, as shown in the Star Charts.

    Kazon space was so large that Voyager was skirting the edge of it for over two years, several times longer then it takes to get from one end of the Federation to the other.
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