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  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 5,866 Arc User
    You know, Captain Georgiou was the only character I liked from the few shows I watched. I didn't pay for CBS All Access after the first month.
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 9,918 Bug Hunter
    Oh. The Emperor? No interest then.​​
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,138 Arc User
    I would be interested in seeing more of Captain Georgiou rather than Emperor Georgiou. So color me skeptical.

    I mean, if they are willing to have Georgiou evolve into some kind of anti-hero that starts thinking and acting morally, maybe it oculd be interesting, but well, again, color me skeptical.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 9,600 Arc User
    > @artan42 said:
    > Oh. The Emperor? No interest then.​​

    Me neither. DSCs take on the MU was ridoncolously dumb in my opinion, and 'God-emperor Georgiou' is really not what I want to see.
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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 5,766 Arc User
    I would rather see the 'Adventures of Captain Killy!'

  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 9,918 Bug Hunter
    angrytarg wrote: »
    > @artan42 said:
    > Oh. The Emperor? No interest then.​​

    Me neither. DSCs take on the MU was ridoncolously dumb in my opinion, and 'God-emperor Georgiou' is really not what I want to see.

    I don't like the concept in general. I'd prefer an introspection of characters in their own personal 'darkest timeline' and have some 'what if' or 'for want of a nail' type stories.

    Not some tedious 'Earth X' we're all randomly space Naz.is for no particular reason.

    Spock, O'Brien, T'Pol, Tuvok, and Voq are the only MU characters that seem like the Prime versions set in impossible situations. Everyone else is a giggling loon who share names with their Prime counterparts and nothing else.
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    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 10,617 Arc User
    A Star Trek Anthology series would be interesting. It is part of the reason why The Twilight Zone and Outer Limits were great.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 33,320 Arc User
    starkaos wrote: »
    A Star Trek Anthology series would be interesting. It is part of the reason why The Twilight Zone and Outer Limits were great.
    Could be interesting, but there'd have to be recurring characters in some form.
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  • alexraptorralexraptorr Member Posts: 1,194 Arc User
    I'm not interested in a show "about" the Empress. However I would very much like to see a show with a more in depth look into Section 31!
    I think it would be interested to see just how they operate, and how they may wrestle with the morality of doing what needs to be done. I mean surely all of Section 31 are not stone cold genocidal maniacs, and even Sloane struggled with the inner conflict of what he did and had to do to keep the federation safe.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 9,600 Arc User
    I'm not interested in a show "about" the Empress. However I would very much like to see a show with a more in depth look into Section 31!
    I think it would be interested to see just how they operate, and how they may wrestle with the morality of doing what needs to be done. I mean surely all of Section 31 are not stone cold genocidal maniacs, and even Sloane struggled with the inner conflict of what he did and had to do to keep the federation safe.

    I'd even prefer a mirror show to that pig-2.gif​​
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  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 9,752 Arc User
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    I'll give it a go. I liked her character(s). Interesting to see what they can do with it. I'm a huge Michelle Yeoh fan, so I look forward to it.
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  • captainwellscaptainwells Member Posts: 446 Arc User
    where2r1 wrote: »
    You know, Captain Georgiou was the only character I liked from the few shows I watched. I didn't pay for CBS All Access after the first month.

    I know what you mean. Out of everything that we had to swallow about Discovery, the fact that the three primary characters were either killed off, were mutineers or traitors, or invaders from a parallel universe was the toughest. I admit that I failed to get past this aspect and also bailed at the mid-season break cancelling the app. I don't hate the spinoff, but as much as they try; it is not Star Trek to me.
  • ryan218ryan218 Member Posts: 33,823 Arc User
    "Hey, I have an idea! You know that evil version of Captain Star Power?"

    "You mean Emperor Georgiou?"

    "Yeah! Why don't we make a series focusing on her?"

    "You want to make a show where the main character is an authoritarian, xenophobic, cannibalistic lunatic with absolutely no morality, no displayed desire to be anything resembling a good person, and who is completely unrelatable to the audience?"

    "Yeah!"

    "Genius!"
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 9,918 Bug Hunter
    ryan218 wrote: »
    "Hey, I have an idea! You know that evil version of Captain Star Power?"

    "You mean Emperor Georgiou?"

    "Yeah! Why don't we make a series focusing on her?"

    "You want to make a show where the main character is an authoritarian, xenophobic, cannibalistic lunatic with absolutely no morality, no displayed desire to be anything resembling a good person, and who is completely unrelatable to the audience?"

    "Yeah!"

    "Genius!"

    The Emperor never ate another human. That is unjustified Libel.​​
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    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 9,600 Arc User
    Thou shalt not speaketh ill of thy god emperor!
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 10,617 Arc User
    ryan218 wrote: »
    "You want to make a show where the main character is an authoritarian, xenophobic, cannibalistic lunatic with absolutely no morality, no displayed desire to be anything resembling a good person, and who is completely unrelatable to the audience?"

    Is it cannibalistic to eat a member of a sapient alien race? It is certainly reprehensible by Western Civilization standards, but I doubt it is cannibalistic. Introduce an alien species that makes humans live longer by eating them and lots of humans will forget their standards due to the fear of death.
  • ryan218ryan218 Member Posts: 33,823 Arc User
    Eating human meat would make humans live longer (in the same way as eating any other animal). It's still a crime, outside of dire survival situations. Why? Because unlike most animals, humans are highly intelligent. The same goes for any sentient, sapient, species (such as the Kelpiens). By the same logic, killing the rebels on that planet wasn't murder, because none of the victims were human. Do you see the issue here?
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 10,617 Arc User
    ryan218 wrote: »
    Eating human meat would make humans live longer (in the same way as eating any other animal). It's still a crime, outside of dire survival situations. Why? Because unlike most animals, humans are highly intelligent. The same goes for any sentient, sapient, species (such as the Kelpiens). By the same logic, killing the rebels on that planet wasn't murder, because none of the victims were human. Do you see the issue here?

    Was thinking of a situation of where eating aliens as a form of immortality rather than as simple survival. So if each alien increased someone's lifespan by 5 years, then eating 1000 aliens would increase their lifespan by 5000 years. Then there is the issue of Carnivores becoming a spacefaring species. It might be part of their culture to devour their enemies. Unless every alien race is just like us, then some alien races will have customs that we can't tolerate.

    If it was a Terran Empire World full of Terrans that rebelled, then the Empress would destroy that world as well to set an example. It doesn't matter if they are Terrans or slaves. Loyalty = Survival while Rebellion = Death.
  • ryan218ryan218 Member Posts: 33,823 Arc User
    starkaos wrote: »
    ryan218 wrote: »
    Eating human meat would make humans live longer (in the same way as eating any other animal). It's still a crime, outside of dire survival situations. Why? Because unlike most animals, humans are highly intelligent. The same goes for any sentient, sapient, species (such as the Kelpiens). By the same logic, killing the rebels on that planet wasn't murder, because none of the victims were human. Do you see the issue here?

    Was thinking of a situation of where eating aliens as a form of immortality rather than as simple survival. So if each alien increased someone's lifespan by 5 years, then eating 1000 aliens would increase their lifespan by 5000 years. Then there is the issue of Carnivores becoming a spacefaring species. It might be part of their culture to devour their enemies. Unless every alien race is just like us, then some alien races will have customs that we can't tolerate.

    If it was a Terran Empire World full of Terrans that rebelled, then the Empress would destroy that world as well to set an example. It doesn't matter if they are Terrans or slaves. Loyalty = Survival while Rebellion = Death.

    It may be acceptable in the context of the MU, but it isn't acceptable from the perspective of the viewer, which is the point.
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 8,215 Arc User
    ryan218 wrote: »
    Eating human meat would make humans live longer (in the same way as eating any other animal).
    In fact, eating human meat is very bad for your health. There are too many diseases that can be passed on through long pig, no matter how well you cook it. (Even pig can be hazardous, and that's a whole different species - too much biochemical similarity.)

    Don't eat the rich, compost with them!
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,623 Arc User
    starkaos wrote: »
    ryan218 wrote: »
    "You want to make a show where the main character is an authoritarian, xenophobic, cannibalistic lunatic with absolutely no morality, no displayed desire to be anything resembling a good person, and who is completely unrelatable to the audience?"

    Is it cannibalistic to eat a member of a sapient alien race? It is certainly reprehensible by Western Civilization standards, but I doubt it is cannibalistic. Introduce an alien species that makes humans live longer by eating them and lots of humans will forget their standards due to the fear of death.

    I recommend Joan D. Vinge's The Snow Queen.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 10,617 Arc User
    ryan218 wrote: »
    starkaos wrote: »
    ryan218 wrote: »
    Eating human meat would make humans live longer (in the same way as eating any other animal). It's still a crime, outside of dire survival situations. Why? Because unlike most animals, humans are highly intelligent. The same goes for any sentient, sapient, species (such as the Kelpiens). By the same logic, killing the rebels on that planet wasn't murder, because none of the victims were human. Do you see the issue here?

    Was thinking of a situation of where eating aliens as a form of immortality rather than as simple survival. So if each alien increased someone's lifespan by 5 years, then eating 1000 aliens would increase their lifespan by 5000 years. Then there is the issue of Carnivores becoming a spacefaring species. It might be part of their culture to devour their enemies. Unless every alien race is just like us, then some alien races will have customs that we can't tolerate.

    If it was a Terran Empire World full of Terrans that rebelled, then the Empress would destroy that world as well to set an example. It doesn't matter if they are Terrans or slaves. Loyalty = Survival while Rebellion = Death.

    It may be acceptable in the context of the MU, but it isn't acceptable from the perspective of the viewer, which is the point.

    But is it acceptable to pose our human beliefs on an alien race? The only options are accept them, change them, ignore them, or eliminate them. Changing them might be the worst option since it could involve destroying who they were. After all, there is some fates worse than death as far as we are concerned like being turned into a Borg drone while the Borg Collective might believe they are doing something noble.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 10,617 Arc User
    ryan218 wrote: »
    starkaos wrote: »
    ryan218 wrote: »
    starkaos wrote: »
    ryan218 wrote: »
    Eating human meat would make humans live longer (in the same way as eating any other animal). It's still a crime, outside of dire survival situations. Why? Because unlike most animals, humans are highly intelligent. The same goes for any sentient, sapient, species (such as the Kelpiens). By the same logic, killing the rebels on that planet wasn't murder, because none of the victims were human. Do you see the issue here?

    Was thinking of a situation of where eating aliens as a form of immortality rather than as simple survival. So if each alien increased someone's lifespan by 5 years, then eating 1000 aliens would increase their lifespan by 5000 years. Then there is the issue of Carnivores becoming a spacefaring species. It might be part of their culture to devour their enemies. Unless every alien race is just like us, then some alien races will have customs that we can't tolerate.

    If it was a Terran Empire World full of Terrans that rebelled, then the Empress would destroy that world as well to set an example. It doesn't matter if they are Terrans or slaves. Loyalty = Survival while Rebellion = Death.

    It may be acceptable in the context of the MU, but it isn't acceptable from the perspective of the viewer, which is the point.

    But is it acceptable to pose our human beliefs on an alien race? The only options are accept them, change them, ignore them, or eliminate them. Changing them might be the worst option since it could involve destroying who they were. After all, there is some fates worse than death as far as we are concerned like being turned into a Borg drone while the Borg Collective might believe they are doing something noble.

    Still missing the point. It is proposed to make this individual the centre of a new series. There is no way, as portrayed thus far, Emp. Georgieu is going to be in anyway relatable to the audience, which is the first rule of good storytelling. This works in the context of her as an antagonist, because the Terran Empire is supposed to seem heinous to us. The characters are supposed to be unrelatable because they're essentially morally depraved versions of their prime counterparts. What they are not supposed to be is the centre of our attention. We are typically given semi-good MU characters to relate to our main characters (the Prime characters), such as M. Spock, 'Smiley', etc. Without that kind of pivot? Georgieu is just an evil tyrant, and typically, Western audiences don't find tyrants entertaining. They find those tyrants getting killed entertaining.

    How is making Empress Georgiou the centre of a new series any different from making Burnham the centre of Discovery? At least Georgiou has the whole Stranger in a Strange Land concept going for her.
  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 3,174 Arc User
    She was one of my crushes in the mid 90's, Miss Yeoh, so might be fine.
    I'd rather Disco be about HER and not Burnham. >_>
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  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 2,590 Arc User
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  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 9,752 Arc User
    YES! :smiley: Very much looking forward to what they can do with her. Fantastic choice for a series lead!
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 9,918 Bug Hunter
    I don't get the point. What's the reason behind a whole series on Section 31? 'Kinda makes them somewhat less secret. A series on Starfleet Intelligence, why not? But not S31.

    Also the Emperor is a cannibalistic space Naz.i. Lorca was at least redeemable. The Emperor is not.
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 9,600 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    I don't get the point. What's the reason behind a whole series on Section 31? 'Kinda makes them somewhat less secret. A series on Starfleet Intelligence, why not? But not S31.

    Also the Emperor is a cannibalistic space Naz.i. Lorca was at least redeemable. The Emperor is not.

    People started to confuse S31 with the 'heroes' of the stories sometimes around ENT and now this stuff is highly popular. S31 has semi-canonically been established to be the sole reason the Federation still exists and their personnel gets that weird '24' or 'homeland' antihero pathos. I thought it's ten years too late for this, but it's basically what floats peple's boat these days.

    Which also means it is completely irrelevant what any of the other protagonists do. Because in the end, it always only works because someone "does what has to be done" behind the scenes. It's really pretty dumb.​​
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    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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