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Will we ever get a canon accurate Dauntless?

mozzellimozzelli Member Posts: 61 Arc User
in The Art of Star Trek Online
Pretty much asking any dev what the title states. I know a few ships have gotten a revisit and a touch up. Never really understood why this ship was released looking so far from what it is suppose to and the mesh error between the nacelles has never been addressed. Eaglemoss got it spot on in their model so wondering if we are ever going to see something like that in game.
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    Uh... I don't see what's wrong with it TBH.

    Also it's in-universe an imitation made by Starfleet and not produced by the original ship builders.
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    mozzellimozzelli Member Posts: 61 Arc User
    I get that but every other ship in game that has an alien origin is canonically correct. Even if we keep the current design it would be nice to have a mesh option that is what we saw on screen. Or something closer to Eagelmoss' model. Also the mesh between the nacelles has been incorrectly placed since its launch when it uses either of the 2 fleet materials. Additionally the Starfleet pennant striping is too large and does not have the ships name written inside it. As is typical with Federation ships.
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    rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,018 Community Moderator
    Reference pics?
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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    mozzellimozzelli Member Posts: 61 Arc User
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    salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    A couple of things here. First, IMO the pics of the in-game ship model that you provided look more accurate than the eaglemoss pics that you provided. Second, the circles that you drew in your pics don't tell us anything. Why are the nacelles circled etc? Your point would be better made with pictures that have the in-game model lined up side by side with shots from the show at the same angle. That way we can actually see what you're talking about.
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    avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,196 Arc User
    So you want the original alien tech version with the hologram?
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    tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,586 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    How can you have a fully canon-accurate version of a ship like the Dauntless and have it make sense in-universe? All Starfleet Engineering had to work with was some scans by the Voyager crew, not a full set of blueprints.

    Unless the original USS Dauntless were to show up as an NPC ship, it would make more sense for the one in-game to be slightly different to the canon one. Your Chief Engineer could even comment on the slight inaccuracies if they saw the original.
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    alcyoneserenealcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,412 Arc User
    The canon Dauntless I believe was also tiny in comparison to the in-game model, probably the size of a shuttle. I don't mind the model being a bit larger than that, but as it is in game, it feels way too big.
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    mozzellimozzelli Member Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    Salaz: the circles highlight the underside of the nacelles where you can see the mesh errors. they arent lines up properly.its a mesh error in that respect nothing a side by side shot would show. As for Eaglemoss they have an exact replica of the ship. Sto doesn't.

    Avo" yes. wasnt holos though it was particle synthesis. suppose to be realer then holograms.

    Tyler if I remember correctly they found the PB in the delta quadrent reasonable to say it could have specified shape.

    Alcy: it was the same size as the one in game.
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    meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    mozzelli wrote: »
    https://ibb.co/hZPSC9
    https://ibb.co/gduikU
    https://ibb.co/dDq0X9
    https://ibb.co/nyJnC9
    https://ibb.co/dWapQU

    https://ibb.co/cvkHC9
    https://ibb.co/f628Kp
    https://ibb.co/dRZYkU


    I don't see Waldo anywhere. Or did the circles have a different purpose? If so, I couldn't detect any anomalies between the circled areas.
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    vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,857 Arc User
    I would not hold my breath, considering it's a T6 ship, and the list for requested ships / skin updates/T6 makeovers is long and distinguished (K'vort, Vo'Quv, Karfi, Nova, Oberth to name a few)
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    salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    mozzelli wrote: »
    Salaz: the circles highlight the underside of the nacelles where you can see the mesh errors. they arent lines up properly.its a mesh error in that respect nothing a side by side shot would show.
    Mozz: If a side by side shot doesn't show anything, frankly, nothing is wrong then.
    mozzelli wrote: »
    As for Eaglemoss they have an exact replica of the ship. Sto doesn't.
    Mozz: You could demonstrate that with a side by side of all 3 from multiple angles. As it stands, you provided juxtaposed angles without any demonstrable comparison. Not convincing at all.

    When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
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    rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,018 Community Moderator
    Honestly... the only errors I saw are probably the size of the warp field grills. That's about it. And its a very minor size difference honestly. One slightly wraps under the nacelle, while the other doesn't.

    That's all I can see.
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    Yang Xiao Long wrote:
    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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    mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    never liked the Dauntless anyway. aside from the one time on enterprise (allegedly, especially since it was never confirmed beyond a blur) and the alien Arturis playing tricks on the Voyager crew to get them assimilated, otherwise there is no canon design for a holographic trick that in reality didn't exist anywhere in starfleet or anywhere else but with Arturis.

    as for the starfleet imitation? it is hard to call an imitation to the real thing that never actually existed. in effect the imitation is the canon source, so in the end you aren't really making a case since you are complaing about a ship that is the canon source.
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    mozzellimozzelli Member Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    Meimee: all those images show the mesh error under the nacelles and the missing phaser strips the ship had along with the incorrect shape of the ship itself. Refernces images below.
    https://postimg.cc/image/5xksa56p9/ https://postimg.cc/image/byih7b125/ <-- Missing phaser strips and misshaped hull...In fact there are no phaser strips anywhere on the ship.
    https://postimg.cc/image/hzg64gvf1/ <-- Mesh misplacement this is on both sides of the nacelle
    https://postimg.cc/image/ybq7tmha5/ <-- Proper dauntless frame *ignoring the red tipped nacelles.
    https://postimg.cc/image/471r8ep3h/ <-- in game dauntless frame

    Salaz: again its a mesh error. As in the mesh was not properly laid so it looks visibly disconnected. a side by side would not show that as its a GAME mesh error. reference images provided

    https://postimg.cc/image/x9g1bg159/

    https://postimg.cc/image/8g6hau7v1/


    Rattler: No, the ship is the right size.

    Mirror: the producers of Ent confirmed a while ago it was a dauntless class ship being used by the bed. As with every ship as we see it in trek its in STO no matter what semantics argument is used the Dauntless should be no different. Personally its my favorite trek ship.





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    meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Honestly... the only errors I saw are probably the size of the warp field grills. That's about it. And its a very minor size difference honestly. One slightly wraps under the nacelle, while the other doesn't.

    That's all I can see.


    Indeed. I've seen errors on the old T5 Nova, for instance, but the Dauntless still looks fine to me. :) Wouldn't mind a screen-accurate bridge for it, though; but I suppose that ship has sailed a long time ago.
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    avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,196 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    Well I played around with most science ships on my sci toon and I enjoyed playing around with it, my only real complaint is the boff setup of 3x lieutenant and 1x lieutenant commander, I have this same issue with the Intrepid too not to mention only a lieutenant specialist boff seat.
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    mozzellimozzelli Member Posts: 61 Arc User
    Avooz: Took a while to find a good set up for mine but if you use the right traits and doffs a drain build really makes it tanky
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    mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    mozzelli wrote: »
    Mirror: the producers of Ent confirmed a while ago it was a dauntless class ship being used by the bed. As with every ship as we see it in trek its in STO no matter what semantics argument is used the Dauntless should be no different. Personally its my favorite trek ship.

    i couldn't care less about this "semantics" BS you propose and alledge, provide your proof and make your case.
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    mozzelli wrote: »
    Avooz: Took a while to find a good set up for mine but if you use the right traits and doffs a drain build really makes it tanky
    This is a ship I use TSS on for the extra shield tanking.
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    rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,018 Community Moderator
    mozzelli wrote: »
    Rattler: No, the ship is the right size.

    I wasn't referring to the ship itself. Just the warp field grills. You know... the blue glowy bits on the nacelles?
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    Yang Xiao Long wrote:
    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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    mozzellimozzelli Member Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    Azrael: show proof and ill pay attention to it.

    Mirror: welp thanks for commenting but if you don't care you can go. Don't let the airlock hit you on the way out.

    Rattler" Ah now I see what you mean. Do you think they need to be smaller?
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    rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,018 Community Moderator
    Not really. Honestly I like that change. And in all honesty its a minor detail.
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    Yang Xiao Long wrote:
    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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    mozzellimozzelli Member Posts: 61 Arc User
    Azrael : your reviews had nothing to do with the Dauntless what so ever. It just random ship reviews with inconsistency. Thats going to happen at 100 plus ships. However the Dauntless is not one of those ships. I suggest you find a Dauntless review and watch on on yourtube.

    Rattler: Im not seeing the difference but I like that you like it as is :D
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    rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,018 Community Moderator
    I think what Azrael was trying to point out is that citing the Eaglemoss model as an example of a canon appearance can be flawed if they made mistakes on other ships, such as the misaligned window painting, omitted details, and oddly scaled registry. The latter two being from the XL Ent-A model, a size that should be able to incorporate the omitted details with no problems whatsoever.

    And you're welcome.
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    Yang Xiao Long wrote:
    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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