So, can we get at least SOME indication as to why the prices on these are what they are? I mean, I play Warhammer, and even Forge World, which is notorious for needlessly expensive models, doesn't charge this much. And these are introductory discount prices? What is it? Is it licensing costs? Some kind of stupidly expensive resin? High startup costs?
I did some market research last night after I found the materials used document linked above. FormLabs Form2 resin starts at $149USD/L and goes up from there. Most of the model price, based on my understanding of these resins, is actually majority to cover the cost of the resin used. At $149USD/Liter before shipping and tax, things get expensive very quickly.
So, can we get at least SOME indication as to why the prices on these are what they are? I mean, I play Warhammer, and even Forge World, which is notorious for needlessly expensive models, doesn't charge this much. And these are introductory discount prices? What is it? Is it licensing costs? Some kind of stupidly expensive resin? High startup costs?
I did some market research last night after I found the materials used document linked above. FormLabs Form2 resin starts at $149USD/L and goes up from there. Most of the model price, based on my understanding of these resins, is actually majority to cover the cost of the resin used. At $149USD/Liter before shipping and tax, things get expensive very quickly.
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So, can we get at least SOME indication as to why the prices on these are what they are? I mean, I play Warhammer, and even Forge World, which is notorious for needlessly expensive models, doesn't charge this much.
Those (almost certainly) are made via injection molding, not 3D printing, which is a great way of making lots of copies of a single plastic part (see. the economy of scale) but it offers no flexibility. To change designs, you have to retool the machine; a very expensive and labor intensive process (you have to make a new mold) and do to that for a unique one off (ie. your custom ship in STO) would be hideously expensive (ie. ~$5,000 at the low end.)
The magic of 3D printing is that it can do that job for $200 in this case, a phenomenal improvement overall but the economy of scale doesn't work in quite the same way (every job is unique, so having an extended run doesn't divide the cost by orders of magnitude as it does with injection molding. Once you have the mold, you can keep using it.)
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I think the easiest way to do a force field type look, is this. Say you want a blue force field, use clear blue resin with small amount of fine crushed glass. The blue clear resin will act as a color filter, with the fine crushed glass acting as a reflective agent.
Will the Jupiter class ever be available? Also will the Jupiter class ever get some customization options so it doesn't look like TRIBBLE? I play it because it kicks butt, not because it's pretty because it isn't.
Yeah... this was worth your time... not... you know... making a halfway decent FE or focusing on the DS9 expansion....
And at that price I'm not touching this system.
Right, cause it's the content designers who were clearly discussing the terms of their cooperation with Mixed Dimensions and definitely spend their time caring about the printer and painting the models instead of designing stuff ingame...
Anyway, thanks to Captain2er0 as well as others for informative answers. I hope this whole endeavour works out for everybody.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
> @ambassadorkael#6946 said: > lnblade wrote: » > > Do you anticipate the Brigid hull being made available for printing at a later date, or is it permanently unavailable? > > > > > We wanted to hold off on ships that use a clear "force field" element because we'd like to see if we can develop a way to faithfully reproduce that on the model. If we're able to, those ships will become available in the future. > > - Thomas Marrone, Lead Ship Artist - Cryptic
And that explains why the Jupiter is not included.
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I did some market research last night after I found the materials used document linked above. FormLabs Form2 resin starts at $149USD/L and goes up from there. Most of the model price, based on my understanding of these resins, is actually majority to cover the cost of the resin used. At $149USD/Liter before shipping and tax, things get expensive very quickly.
https://formlabs.com/store/us/form-2/
Those (almost certainly) are made via injection molding, not 3D printing, which is a great way of making lots of copies of a single plastic part (see. the economy of scale) but it offers no flexibility. To change designs, you have to retool the machine; a very expensive and labor intensive process (you have to make a new mold) and do to that for a unique one off (ie. your custom ship in STO) would be hideously expensive (ie. ~$5,000 at the low end.)
The magic of 3D printing is that it can do that job for $200 in this case, a phenomenal improvement overall but the economy of scale doesn't work in quite the same way (every job is unique, so having an extended run doesn't divide the cost by orders of magnitude as it does with injection molding. Once you have the mold, you can keep using it.)
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Right, cause it's the content designers who were clearly discussing the terms of their cooperation with Mixed Dimensions and definitely spend their time caring about the printer and painting the models instead of designing stuff ingame...
Anyway, thanks to Captain2er0 as well as others for informative answers. I hope this whole endeavour works out for everybody.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
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Does anything you said even remotely have anything to do with 3D ship printing?!
It'll be worth the price but it's a luxury item I then have to bring over to the UK. Even as primed only it's too expensive to justify.
I'll file it under maybe later, if there is a later.
> Does anyone know the size of the 3D print model?
Largest dimensiom is 12 inches or roughly 30 cm. Rest is scaled from there.
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And that explains why the Jupiter is not included.
Worked fine for me earlier, was messing around with the NX Refit and it uploaded just fine.