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So what happens to a temporal agent's identity?
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So while playing on my original series character.I started thinking since you become a temporal agent after you "die" what exactly happens to the identity of the person.Do you get a new identity since they have you in 2409.You would think that starfleet would still have the records of yourself.And it is known that ship you were on was destroyed.So do they give the agent a new name or do they go into the old starfleet records and alter the files so it's differnt?
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all they really need to is alter the DNA markers in the orginal file slightly and say that your 25c version is a relative of the 23c version, a grandniece/nephew or even a grandkid, thus explaining the similar apparence and name. For the "25c parents" of the AoY character, they always say they died in the klingon/UFP war or the iconian war thus explaining why they aren't around anymore.
It's not like starfleet medics typically scan for signs of temporal displacement.
As for the ship it's not unheard of for Starfleet to reuse names for ships and sometimes even registeries.
> So while playing on my original series character.I started thinking since you become a temporal agent after you "die" what exactly happens to the identity of the person.Do you get a new identity since they have you in 2409.You would think that starfleet would still have the records of yourself.And it is known that ship you were on was destroyed.So do they give the agent a new name or do they go into the old starfleet records and alter the files so it's differnt?
Your original commission gets reactivated with a note in your file that says you magically came back to life because the timecops are too busy setting up predestination paradoxes to worry about pointless little things like enforcing the Temporal Prime Directive. It'd put them out a job if they enforced it properly anyway.
When you eventually die of natural causes, Starfleet records will continue to list you as alive and on active duty/a pensioner just in case you come back to life again.
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I take it you're not familiar with what the phase "lost with all hands" means?
Not familiar with the phrase "false assumption?"
It has already been established that faking death is a normal part of their recruitment, especially when the recruit was supposed to have died (like the PC was). That came from the lore blogs, and I don't know if you reas those or not.
Which means absolutely nothing, overlapping names is common even today. I can go onto Facebook and find over 50 Tyler Chambers accounts.
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> all they really need to is alter the DNA markers in the orginal file slightly and say that your 25c version is a relative of the 23c version, a grandniece/nephew or even a grandkid, thus explaining the similar apparence and name. For the "25c parents" of the AoY character, they always say they died in the klingon/UFP war or the iconian war thus explaining why they aren't around anymore.
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> As for the ship it's not unheard of for Starfleet to reuse names for ships and sometimes even registries.
If they don't alter a AoYs Starfleet File, it will pop right up when they turn the scanners on them during a physical, as you say because DNA. And as the toon is a war hero listed as KIA a century ago, questions would be asked. As if it isn't weird enough that no one who went to Starfleet Academy when you were there remembers you.
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> If they don't alter a AoYs Starfleet File, it will pop right up when they turn the scanners on them during a physical, as you say because DNA. And as the toon is a war hero listed as KIA a century ago, questions would be asked. As if it isn't weird enough that no one who went to Starfleet Academy when you were there remembers you.
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More than likely Temporal Division has changed your files so it won't show up. Trust me, cover identity is solid. Outside of say Commander Starfleet, section 31, temporal division and a few pther admirals with clearance, no one knows any better.
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As for DNA all temporal division has to do is slightly alter the files so that DNA registers as "similar but not identical", like for example the DNA of grand child would be, or even the DNA of great grandchild would be.
to use my own AoY toon as an example. the temporal division can say that my character had child in secrect before she died at Caleb IV, then when that child grew up they named their daughter "Hiroko" in honor of the biological mother they were never able to meet and it's that child who is the "Hiroko" that's in Starfleet in 25th century, you might have to add 1 more generation there but it'll work.
There's enough citizens in the United Federation of Planets that checking the records of each and everyone to see if they're a temporal agent is simply not viable. Even Starfleet alone has thousans if not millions of people working in it, so "I did not see you at Starfleet Academy" is not much in and of itself.
So theoretically even if the file reports you died in 2270 and you show up in 2409... you CAN resume your career after going though the TDO. One notable example in B-Canon (books) is in fact Lt. M'Ress herself. Once an officer aboard Kirk's Enterprise, she apparently at some point went through a time portal and landed in the 24th Century. Eventually she was assigned to the USS Trident under Captain Shelby.
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Shiboline_M'Ress
Now before anyone cries foul on that... lets take into account that there IS a Captain in STO who only showed up in the novels that can be found on K-7.
https://sto.gamepedia.com/Mackenzie_Calhoun
So in theory the fact that Calhoun exists in STO means some elements of the New Frontier novels happened in STO, including the arrival of M'Ress in the 24th Century.
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The AoY player character is probably like the lieutenant from the Winter of Discontent blog; someone who was supposed to die, but was instead recruited by Daniels and given a new identity to preserve the timeline.
As for our AoY toon, we know from the officer that sends us to meet Quinn the first time that our character is not (publically) known to be from the 23rd century and is considered by most to be a normal 25th century officer who just happens to like cosplaying in 23c officer in the holodeck. That's literally how the officer who gives you the mission to meet Admiral Quinn dismisses you being dressed in a 23c uniform.
For something like that to work there's has to be some degree of manipulation of the records to pass at least a casual and possibly even a serious inspection. Most likely there's nothing to suggest that our character is anything else then a typical if talented 25th century Starfleet officer who just happens to resemble a dead 23rd century starfleet officer.
There is simply no logical reason to come up with a "cover identity." A time-skip is hardly the most unusual thing a Starfleet officer has had in their personnel record. A time-skip has even happened in canon and they didn't give Montgomery Scott a new identity.
Nevermind the implausibility of creating one that has the exact same name, face, DNA, etc. Not just for the player character, but their entire crew. And it's not enough to alter records, there are races that live long enough to have met these people. Daniels doesn't even give them training to pass for 25th century Starfleet officers so regardless of records they'd be spotted as soon as they said something outdated. See also, the TNG episode where they find Scotty.
And then there's the ship itself. Not only is it a type not available in the 25th century, but there's just no way Starfleet engineers wouldn't notice it's genuine 23rd century technology in original condition (rather than the retrofits and replicas others commonly fly).
No-one would notice because the ship doesn't exist. That's the part that exploded, along with most of the crew.
Daniels states that his people have created a new identity for you and inserted it into the Federation database. That's part of why he's giving you the accelerated course, rather than Starfleet just getting you up to date. As far as Quinn's concerned when you report in, you're just another in an endless series of junior officers getting the usual pep talk from the Old Man before taking your first command out. And really, why would anyone try picking apart your history? It's not like your file indicates you were all that special before you showed up at ESD. And in a galaxy with trillions of sophonts and files reaching back for 300 years, even if someone for some reason ran a DNA match against a historical database it would only be weird if there weren't at least a few matches out of sheer coincidence.
It wouldn't hurt if there were a few rumors spreading amongst the background NPC's about your resemblance to a famous figure.
Come the 25th century, you get a new cover identity.
I would like to be wrong, I don't like the way it was handled if right...