Eaglemoss Discovery Ship Model collection

mustrumridcully0

http://www.eaglemoss.com/en-us/sci-fi-fantasy/star-trek-discovery/
Seems a bit pricey to really get them all as collection, but it's an opportunity to see a bit clearer pictures of the various ship models. The Ship of the Dead isn't part of the collection however. (There are supposed to be 20 ships in the collection, and other than the first, each costs ~45 $)

The Starfleet ships look pretty interesting. I am still not really a fan of the Klingon designs, they just seem a bit... overdesigned? Maybe it is a sign of the current state of the Empire, the different Houses really put a lot of effort in making their ships look exotic/beautiful as a form of visual boast of the greatness of their House?

The Veqlargh Class reminds me however of the D7/Vor'Cha design line.

smokebailey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVyrZhnI0WM

starkaos

somtaawkhar wrote: »

smokebailey wrote: »

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Nice video, but I don't really get complaints about it being so large.

If you look at real world naval ships, most modern ships are smaller, and have less crew, then older ones, because the size and crew of older ships was because of a lack of technology. As technology gets better, things SHRINK, not get bigger.

The Discovery's size makes sense when you consider its "age" compared to newer ships, the large space needed for the spore drive, and the rooms used to grow the spores, all the size labs, etc. etc.

Then there are Military Ships like the Death Star or ships like the Enterprise-J. The size of the ship can be psychological warfare or it has a different purpose than regular ships like being a mobile colony or Luxury Cruiser. If an alien race encounters the Death Star and the Sun Crusher with no information on either ship, then they would be terrified of the Death Star due to its size even though the Sun Crusher is the more dangerous opponent.

artan42

I'm so glad to be able to see these ships properly. Just like the KT films, it's not that the ships are bad, it's that they're so damn hard to see. With the camera bouncing up and down like an epileptic rabbit on crack you just can't see anything beyond a vague shape.

Now I can see them I really like the look of the Veqlargh and Qugh classes and all the Federation ones.

The Federation ones all fit the role perfectly of coming after the NX and Kelvin eras and prior to the Miranda and Excelsior era. I still don't care if the single canon onscreen TOS era starship (so excluding freighters) matches them or not. Maybe it's the TOS Conni that's the oddball and not every single other design.

The other Klingon ships look more like the old freighters and so on that they'd paint green and use as background ships to fill up space (examples 1, 2, 3, and 4) Because that's exactly the role they're playing in this show, background ships of no consequence. Only three Klingon ships have been focused on very well, the Ship of the Dead (which has a recognisable silhouette), Kol's Qugh (colour is off but it's shape is fine), and the BoP. The BoP is the only one I can't fathom where they're coming from. It looks more Orion or Romulan to me. Klingon ships never look particularly bird-like, even the eponymous Birds of Prey aren't massivly bird-like compared to the Romulan ones.

I'm still not sold on the hull colour of the Klingon ships though, the grey is okay as the TOS and TMP battlecruisers were shades of grey, but the browns and golds don't work for me.​​

nommo

Big appreciation for linking this new information. Too expensive, imo, for the models. Been awaiting the official scaling for comparison since the beginning. Now that it is here I'm not too happy nor impressed, but it wasn't my vision & I have enjoyed some of the episodes nonetheless. I just think it dents, if not breaks, some logical natural order of things & continuity of progression, but then again experimental is experimental & allows some leeway. I think some of the Discovery's content is more for aesthetics than practical functioning. Nice links & nice video. I usually enjoy the TrekYards gents. Looking forward to season 2 still with fingers crossed.

angrytarg

I still find the Fed ships to be super random. I don't know, especially the Shran - wtf? The DSC Klingon ships are okay for a random alien race of the week, which DSC antagonists are. Weird quantum-mirror Klingorks.​​

k20vtec

The klingon ships are updated for modern audience sensibility designs.

Most of the fed ships just reeks of John Eaves design, not that its bad but... maybe Discovery should consider add another person into th mix and more variation when it comes to design.

Also update: Shenzhou is out, and according to OSC-stat its over four hundred meterr long, placing it near the size of a Excelsior class.



As with everything, its subject to change by DSC show itself, which . Who knows? Maybe in episode 13 they will reveal that the Shenzhou is actually 10000 billion kilometers long.

smokebailey

coldnapalm wrote: »

Kinda like the shenzhou, yeager and europa on closer look. The rest is hideous.

I wished they used the 2016 model with the MUCH shorter engine pods.
Those are too damned long, it's even longer than Picard's Enterprise, both of them.

And that so-called D7 is NOT a D7, writers/staff be damned.

artan42

smokebailey wrote: »

And that so-called D7 is NOT a D7, writers/staff be damned.

Correct. It's is in fact a D7 Prison Ship not a D7 Battlecruiser.

Unless you mean you pretend not to hear evidence you just don't like then you're incorrect.

(Because I bet in your head the D7 is the ship from TOS despite only the TMP style ship from VGR was ever called a D7).

angrytarg

> @artan42 said:
> smokebailey wrote: »
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> Unless you mean you pretend not to hear evidence you just don't like then you're incorrect.
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> (Because I bet in your head the D7 is the ship from TOS despite only the TMP style ship from VGR was ever called a D7).

"Trials and Tribble-ations" canonized the TOS battlecruiser as the D7 class Voyager's D7 is a confirmed mistake like a wrong rank insignia.

artan42

angrytarg wrote: »

> @artan42 said:
> smokebailey wrote: »
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> And that so-called D7 is NOT a D7, writers/staff be damned.
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> Unless you mean you pretend not to hear evidence you just don't like then you're incorrect.
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> (Because I bet in your head the D7 is the ship from TOS despite only the TMP style ship from VGR was ever called a D7).

"Trials and Tribble-ations" canonized the TOS battlecruiser as the D7 class Voyager's D7 is a confirmed mistake like a wrong rank insignia.

Not a mistake in the episode though. Considering they're probably the same ship. However I'll stand corrected about the TOS ship not being called a D7.

Though there still is absolutely zero issue with the Prison Ship being a D7 as the D numbers mean nothing. The D4 is a helicopter sized BoP, the D5 is a ENT era Battlecruiser, a ENT era tanker, and a TAS era Battlecruiser, the D7 is a DSC era Prison ship, TOS era battlecruiser (thanks 'Trials and Tribble-ations'), and a TMP era onward battlecruiser, and the D12 is a BoP of a size completely unknown.

To me that says Battlecruisers, BsoP, and auxiliary ships all have separate naming lines The D4 BoP is obviously not the predecessor to the D5 Battlecruiser (the ENT one, the TAS one is named through conjecture) so the D7 Prison Ship is a successor to the D5 tanker and not related to the D7 Battlecruiser at all (though the D5 Tanker shares a beam with the D5 Battlecruiser so the skeleton of the D7 PS may be the same as the skeleton of the D7 BC.​​

angrytarg

artan42 wrote: »

Not a mistake in the episode though. Considering they're probably the same ship. (...)

It was supposed to be a D7 but they ended up using the K'Tinga model - it's not crucial to the plot as it's stated if the author had known the D7 model was unavialable they would have changed the lines accordingly but I categorize this as a mismatched rank or wrong department colour personally ​​

artan42

angrytarg wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

Not a mistake in the episode though. Considering they're probably the same ship. (...)

It was supposed to be a D7 but they ended up using the K'Tinga model - it's not crucial to the plot as it's stated if the author had known the D7 model was unavialable they would have changed the lines accordingly but I categorize this as a mismatched rank or wrong department colour personally

Meh. It's the Klingon version of the Conni, to me they're close enough to being the same ship anyway, especially as TaT shows a TOS era ship in green with wing stencilling like the later DS9 versions and them both being identified as a D7 is good enough to confirm that to me.

Still dosn't excuse it appearing in ENT though, especially not as a refit. I can't believe they did a Blu-ray release and didn't add the unused D6 model in.​​

redeyedraven

artan42 wrote: »

Still dosn't excuse it appearing in ENT though, especially not as a refit. I can't believe they did a Blu-ray release and didn't add the unused D6 model in.​​

In ENT EVERY major race had ships that looked way too modern for that timeframe. The klingon bird of prey of that time also had a lot more weapons than later versions. Like seriously... why would the klingons reduce a raider to only two primary cannons and one tiny torpedo-launcher that can be easily disabled if previously they had lotsa gunz? Power drain? As if klingons care...

The art-department was only really careful when it came to the United Earth Starfleet and the other federation-founders. With aliens, no matter if well-known or not, they didn't really look twice before the airing of an episode.

artan42

redeyedraven wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

Still dosn't excuse it appearing in ENT though, especially not as a refit. I can't believe they did a Blu-ray release and didn't add the unused D6 model in.

In ENT EVERY major race had ships that looked way too modern for that timeframe. The klingon bird of prey of that time also had a lot more weapons than later versions. Like seriously... why would the klingons reduce a raider to only two primary cannons and one tiny torpedo-launcher that can be easily disabled if previously they had lotsa gunz? Power drain? As if klingons care...

The art-department was only really careful when it came to the United Earth Starfleet and the other federation-founders. With aliens, no matter if well-known or not, they didn't really look twice before the airing of an episode.

The Klingon BoP, D5, Raptor, and the unused D6 are all covered with pipes and tubes on the outside that are supposed to visually convey a more primitive feel in a similar way to the tanks and boosters present on the Earth ships. True the lit and pointed nacelles and streamlined shapes do look modern but overall I don't think the Klingon ships are as badly designed as you remember.

Weapons are never consistent or logically used in ST. Never. TWoK was the only TOS era film that had combat using anything other than the odd torpedo. It took until DS9 until ships moved to fight, and we didn't find out the TOS Conni had rear weapons until ENT. The ENT BoP had more weapons than the original because the producers decided it was silly it originally had so few.​​

lordrezeon

Is it just me or does it seem like they just went through the concept art scrap books for alien of the week designs and just grabbed a handful of random designs and called it the Klingon fleet. There is no design consistency at all with those ships. None of them look like they were built by the same civilization. At least the Federation ships stick with the saucer and nacelle tradition for Starfleet ships, but these Klingon ones are just to ragtag to call a fleet.

smokebailey

redeyedraven wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

Still dosn't excuse it appearing in ENT though, especially not as a refit. I can't believe they did a Blu-ray release and didn't add the unused D6 model in.​​

In ENT EVERY major race had ships that looked way too modern for that timeframe. The klingon bird of prey of that time also had a lot more weapons than later versions. Like seriously... why would the klingons reduce a raider to only two primary cannons and one tiny torpedo-launcher that can be easily disabled if previously they had lotsa gunz? Power drain? As if klingons care...

The art-department was only really careful when it came to the United Earth Starfleet and the other federation-founders. With aliens, no matter if well-known or not, they didn't really look twice before the airing of an episode.

I don't think that. The NX, for example, looks more primitive than the Connie. It's all gnarly, covered in greebles and kibble. I always link smooth, sleek and streamlined as more advanced. The original Connie, the Universe class as well is another example. I also see that in other sci fi, like the ship in flight of the Navigator.

angrytarg

> @lordrezeon said:
> Is it just me or does it seem like they just went through the concept art scrap books for alien of the week designs and just grabbed a handful of random designs and called it the Klingon fleet. There is no design consistency at all with those ships. None of them look like they were built by the same civilization. At least the Federation ships stick with the saucer and nacelle tradition for Starfleet ships, but these Klingon ones are just to ragtag to call a fleet.

I agree with you, though it fits the Klingorcs themselves whose radical redesign looks nothing like Klingons used to look ( and sorry @artan42 but after having half a season with them there is no way they can still fit 'amost perfectly' with the older designs xD ). DSC just decided to fundamentally redesign one of the most iconic races in their franchise. Some may call it 'bold', I think it's stupid but it's the way it is.

smokebailey

angrytarg wrote: »

> @lordrezeon said:
> Is it just me or does it seem like they just went through the concept art scrap books for alien of the week designs and just grabbed a handful of random designs and called it the Klingon fleet. There is no design consistency at all with those ships. None of them look like they were built by the same civilization. At least the Federation ships stick with the saucer and nacelle tradition for Starfleet ships, but these Klingon ones are just to ragtag to call a fleet.

I agree with you, though it fits the Klingorcs themselves whose radical redesign looks nothing like Klingons used to look ( and sorry @artan42 but after having half a season with them there is no way they can still fit 'amost perfectly' with the older designs xD ). DSC just decided to fundamentally redesign one of the most iconic races in their franchise. Some may call it 'bold', I think it's stupid but it's the way it is.

~fistbump~

markhawkman

smokebailey wrote: »

I don't think that. The NX, for example, looks more primitive than the Connie. It's all gnarly, covered in greebles and kibble. I always link smooth, sleek and streamlined as more advanced. The original Connie, the Universe class as well is another example. I also see that in other sci fi, like the ship in flight of the Navigator.

The ship from Flight of the Navigator was made with Mimetic Polyalloy. The hull would reshape itself to change aerodynamics. Also it didn't actually have a door. Part of the hull would reshape itself to make one.

artan42

angrytarg wrote: »

I agree with you, though it fits the Klingorcs themselves whose radical redesign looks nothing like Klingons used to look ( and sorry @artan42 but after having half a season with them there is no way they can still fit 'amost perfectly' with the older designs xD ). DSC just decided to fundamentally redesign one of the most iconic races in their franchise. Some may call it 'bold', I think it's stupid but it's the way it is.

Which the Klingons or their ships? Because I've only said some Klingons look acceptable. T'Kuvma, Kol, and Voq are the main ones who are so similar as to be identical to previous versions. Other like L'Rell look stupidly over-designed for no apparent reason.

If you're on about their ships then the two I quoted way above fit perfectly. One is clearly a battlecruiser and the second a raptor, they differ mainly in colour. The other background ships are exactly that, they don't look particularly Klingon, but as I pointed out, neither do these - 1, 2, 3, and 4.​​