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What about a Lukari Science Carrier?

Well, i like a lot Lukari ship design. But since so far we have only seen "small ships" why don't they get a long range bigger exploration ship? Something like a science carrier (T'laru, Denuos, Sarr Theln..). It would be GREAT to use The Lukari Scout ship as frigate pet.
I would love those UFO scout ships as frigate pets! B)

What do you think?
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  • calintane753calintane753 Member Posts: 289 Arc User
    I'm in!
  • feralaffferalaff Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    Well, ok. But now they are friends with super fast kentari industry too.
    I don't see a huge problem to make a long range exploration science carrier. And using lukari scout ships as pets makes sense.

    Ok...i like lukari/kentari concept and design...so i am biased. :)
  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,586 Arc User
    A super-fast Kentari industry that tends to kill planets and is currently being held back and restrained by the Lukari, who kinda don't want to destroy the new one...
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  • feralaffferalaff Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    oh come on...That's Sci-Fi. Everything could be created. Lukari could find an exodus ship, even old..well preserved and they just need to retrofit its technology.
    They're building a new colony super fast from scrap, an exploration ship is a little effort in comparison.

    Or..if you prefer a more "evil approach" what about kentari tradizionalists.
    If we want to justify it, we can find a "logical solution"...That's Sci-fi.

  • soullessraptorsoullessraptor Member Posts: 353 Arc User
    Honestly, with the current arc, it would be interesting to use an in-game poll to help shape the idea. Something like having Kumaarke asking captains about certain design aspects of the ship, and the most popular ones being integrated into a new design
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    Honestly, with the current arc, it would be interesting to use an in-game poll to help shape the idea. Something like having Kumaarke asking captains about certain design aspects of the ship, and the most popular ones being integrated into a new design

    That already happened, Cryptic already held a poll for the Lukari vessels. One of the tertiary designs should be the carrier, with Scout ship frigates (is owned) and drone fighter pets.​​
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • aliguanaaliguana Member Posts: 262 Arc User
    yes yes yes yes x 100 Lukari carrier. Maybe with Protomatter drone-ships (a carrier with Lukari Scouts would be *huge*).
    LUKARI GUERILLA GARDENING MILITIA - Glowing fingers are Growing fingers!
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    edited December 2017
    aliguana wrote: »
    yes yes yes yes x 100 Lukari carrier. Maybe with Protomatter drone-ships (a carrier with Lukari Scouts would be *huge*).

    Almost no carrier in the game really can "carry" the ships it launches. Look at Breen carriers launching frigates pig-2.gif I've always headcanon'd that any carrier using frigates calls them in as support and escorts, only shuttles are truly "launched".​​
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    I could go for a Lukari/Kentari carrier
  • natureyouscarynatureyouscary Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    I'm all for this, though pls don't make it caitian style sci heavy. It'll be influenced by kentari too which feel more dmg oriented. Like maybe a Lt. Cmd tact-cmd sci-lt. Cmd engi- lt cmd universal (int/pilot) hybrid seat with a 3/4/4 console layout and 4/3 weapon layout.

    I'd even be ok with smaller size carrier with mini saucer fighters.
  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,196 Arc User
    Somehow I don't think they are going to make every Lukari ship a science ship.
  • aliguanaaliguana Member Posts: 262 Arc User
    edited December 2017
    why not? the Lukari Space Fleet (tm) is under the control of Kuumaarke, and she isn't about to ok the commission of warships and destroyers. Lukari are all about science, creating/healing using Protomatter. Both the Na'kaam scout and it's successor the Ko'kuun are science ships. No reason to assume a carrier to even cruiser wouldn't be too.

    Of course, not all the Lukari feel that way. The Lukari Defence Force, under the guidance of General Rodek and the KDF would probably love some battleships (infact, there was a F.E. blogstory that said as much). That being said, if Kuumaarke was ever to be outvoted by the council and battleships commissioned, it would be fab if they were "Lukari-ish" D7s or something. I don't think they would have Kentari-esque features, as (like with the Colony) anything vaguely Kentari gets "fixed" by the Lukari and ends up looking Lukari lol.
    LUKARI GUERILLA GARDENING MILITIA - Glowing fingers are Growing fingers!
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    I cant see a Lukari carrier working well lore wise. Game wise itd be pretty great. But atm they've just started going back into space and the 2 extant designs are tiny. Carriers are not tiny. I could, however, see a HEC.

    Now a hybrid vessel that the Kentari build and helped design, I could see. But personally I kinda want to get a few of those Kentari ships that are already in game first.
  • aliguanaaliguana Member Posts: 262 Arc User
    the Kentari ships in game are "generic alien vessel 1 and 2".. you see the Deferi flying the same ship during the Breen arc (also in the Foundry). So the Kentari would need some proper Kentari ships designed first.

    At this point in the story, a carrier does make sense though. They now have a Colony on Dranuur, and while there are Na'kaams and Ho'kuuns patroling the skies above, it would make sense that they had at least a couple of larger ships to carry the scouts/cargo/colonists/gear to Dranuur. And I don't think a Lukari Cargo Vessel would be much fun for players to fly lol
    LUKARI GUERILLA GARDENING MILITIA - Glowing fingers are Growing fingers!
  • ichaerus1ichaerus1 Member Posts: 986 Arc User
    I'm all for this, though pls don't make it caitian style sci heavy. It'll be influenced by kentari too which feel more dmg oriented. Like maybe a Lt. Cmd tact-cmd sci-lt. Cmd engi- lt cmd universal (int/pilot) hybrid seat with a 3/4/4 console layout and 4/3 weapon layout.

    I'd even be ok with smaller size carrier with mini saucer fighters.

    You don't want much, do you? Commander sci, along w/ 2 hybrid spec seats, plus 3 LTC seats? Want give it a Protonuclear transformation mode while you'e at it? Or a cloak for working w/ the KDF?
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    aliguana wrote: »
    the Kentari ships in game are "generic alien vessel 1 and 2".. you see the Deferi flying the same ship during the Breen arc (also in the Foundry). So the Kentari would need some proper Kentari ships designed first.

    At this point in the story, a carrier does make sense though. They now have a Colony on Dranuur, and while there are Na'kaams and Ho'kuuns patroling the skies above, it would make sense that they had at least a couple of larger ships to carry the scouts/cargo/colonists/gear to Dranuur. And I don't think a Lukari Cargo Vessel would be much fun for players to fly lol

    Actually I always thought we could use a couple more freighter designs running around in player hands. And Im aware they're 'generic' vessels. You can see them in the foundry, and some of them are quite cool looking. I agree a larger hull makes sense as well, however full carriers are massive beasts, and its quite a leap from space doritos and cylon raiders to that
  • soullessraptorsoullessraptor Member Posts: 353 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    Honestly, with the current arc, it would be interesting to use an in-game poll to help shape the idea. Something like having Kumaarke asking captains about certain design aspects of the ship, and the most popular ones being integrated into a new design

    That already happened, Cryptic already held a poll for the Lukari vessels. One of the tertiary designs should be the carrier, with Scout ship frigates (is owned) and drone fighter pets.​​

    In this case, it would be more about the in-game players modifying a ship. So take design 3-A, and see if players were interested in, say, adding Nacelles, or how the Secondary Deflector is mounted, or where the launch bays were. Little things that let the community truly say "this is OUR ship"
  • soullessraptorsoullessraptor Member Posts: 353 Arc User
    In this case, it would be more about the in-game players modifying a ship. So take design 3-A, and see if players were interested in, say, adding Nacelles, or how the Secondary Deflector is mounted, or where the launch bays were. Little things that let the community truly say "this is OUR ship"
    Cryptic tends to stay away from letting the community pick those kinds of things because, back when they held the design the next Enterprise contest, lots of people complained their design wasn't chosen, tried to rig the contest, accused them of not picking the "actual" winner, etc.

    A few bad apples spoiled the possibility of that kind of contest/design scheme from happening again. At most, we get like what we did with the Lukari ship, they give us a few pre-made designs, and let us pick one, with no options beyond that.

    See, in this case, it would still be "Pre-made". Or Prefabbed, at least. Unlike the "design your own" contest where everyone could submit different ideas, this would be off of ONE Homogenized idea, with the pieces being decided by popular vote. As a semi-example, using the Ho'Kuun as the base...
    Week 1) Nacelles. Options- Federation dual (Long, tapering design off the center of the vessel), Federation Quad (Quad of the aforementioned), Romulan (Short, broader design, off the wingtips), None
    Week 2) Secondary deflector mount. Opt- Central channel (Ship length indented section from bow to deflector) Underslung (visible segment under the ship's bow), Split (Front section of ship bisected with deflector mounted between)
    Week 3) Hangar. Opts- Side-slung (mounted to either side of the center line, long bays), Rear (Single hangar off the central rear of the ship), Fore (Hangar bay running along the central line of the ship to the front)
    Etc
  • feralaffferalaff Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    T'laru, denuos are "heavy" science carrier...but they are not harmless. So a lukari /kentari joint carrier could fill both the role of deep exploration and border defense/patrol (thanks to its lukari scout frigate pets).

    So far...i love lukari ship design.
  • jrdobbsjr#3264 jrdobbsjr Member Posts: 431 Arc User
    > @ichaerus1 said:
    > natureyouscary wrote: »
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    > I'm all for this, though pls don't make it caitian style sci heavy. It'll be influenced by kentari too which feel more dmg oriented. Like maybe a Lt. Cmd tact-cmd sci-lt. Cmd engi- lt cmd universal (int/pilot) hybrid seat with a 3/4/4 console layout and 4/3 weapon layout.
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    > I'd even be ok with smaller size carrier with mini saucer fighters.
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    > You don't want much, do you? Commander sci, along w/ 2 hybrid spec seats, plus 3 LTC seats? Want give it a Protonuclear transformation mode while you'e at it? Or a cloak for working w/ the KDF?

    And a singularity core.......because Science!
  • aliguanaaliguana Member Posts: 262 Arc User
    Lukari won't use Singularities, as their main liason to the Beta quad are the KDF (their first ship, the Concordium, was a modified Gorn ship) so their shipyard(s) are invested in warpcore technology probably.
    LUKARI GUERILLA GARDENING MILITIA - Glowing fingers are Growing fingers!
  • aliguanaaliguana Member Posts: 262 Arc User
    edited December 2017
    here's how i would like to see a Lukari carrier look (based on the Satellites in Dranuur Gauntlet. Please excuse the crudity of this model. I didn't have time to build it to scale or paint it lol)

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  • aliguanaaliguana Member Posts: 262 Arc User
    with Protomatter Drone-ships

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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    It's a neat idea, I like where this is going. Na'kumm frigates would also work, but pleeeeease let them have piezo-electric polaron weapons, not phaser...​​
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • natureyouscarynatureyouscary Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    > @ichaerus1 said:
    > natureyouscary wrote: »
    >
    > I'm all for this, though pls don't make it caitian style sci heavy. It'll be influenced by kentari too which feel more dmg oriented. Like maybe a Lt. Cmd tact-cmd sci-lt. Cmd engi- lt cmd universal (int/pilot) hybrid seat with a 3/4/4 console layout and 4/3 weapon layout.
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    > I'd even be ok with smaller size carrier with mini saucer fighters.
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    > You don't want much, do you? Commander sci, along w/ 2 hybrid spec seats, plus 3 LTC seats? Want give it a Protonuclear transformation mode while you'e at it? Or a cloak for working w/ the KDF?

    Ask for everything when you'd really be ok with anything 0=)
    Also I meant 1 hybrid seat, so a 4 boff load out where they remove the ensign slot in favor of a extra Lt cmd that a lot of ships already do.
  • natureyouscarynatureyouscary Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    > @aliguana said:
    > with Protomatter Drone-ships

    It's interesting, I like it but more than likely the scout shop would be frigates not the Doritos :)
  • feralaffferalaff Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    That concept is pretty cool!
    But...i want UFO lukari scout pets..ehehe!
    Please forgive me, but certainly i don't want federation style nacelles upon an alien ship like a lukari one.



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