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Will Cryptic ever release an Orion ship?
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Will Cryptic ever release another Orion ship? They have all the other KDF races. I want one so bad. But please. Don't make it another hanger ship.
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Before those, I would have expressed great doubt. But now, while I wouldn't go so far as to say it's guaranteed or even likely, I would say that it's a real possibility.
But I have to say, I strongly disagree with not making it a hangar ship. I really really want another Orion FDC and anything else would be a very bad idea. It's been an integral part of every Orion ship so far, removing that would be a dumb thing.
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As to not making it a hanger ship... pretty sure most Orion playable ships are Flight Deck Cruisers.
That reminds me did we ever get the Slavemaster-class(aka the orion Dreadnaught) as a playble ships?
Nope. Biggest Orion ship we have is the Marauder FDC. T5.
Not just most, all playable Orion ships are FDCs. There are some NPC ships that break this rule, but even then, Orion mobs have a disproportionate number of ships that launch fighters than other NPC mobs. It's their schtick.
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Letheans would like a word with you.
On a side note, I'd like for them to put out an Orion warbarge. Or one of the TOS Orion ships. Could make use of the TOS assets for an Orion bridge even!
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That said I don't think we've ever seen a "modern" orion interior at all.
I don't mind ships with one or more hangars personally, but I really don't like the Cruiser Commands that Flight Deck Cruisers and Command Battlecruisers are limited to, as Shield Frequency Modulation and Attract Fire are my least favorite of the four Cruiser Commands currently available. Missing out on Weapon System Efficiency is a big drawback, and is one of the reasons I haven't flown the Command Battlecruiser I have very much. While not quite as critical, pending the ship has enough turnrate, I still like Strategic Maneuvering over the two commands FDCs have. Limiting the T5 Orion FDCs to being retrofitted to only those two did not do them any favors.
Which mission? I only recall ever being on a TOS Klingon ship and our own TOS Fed bridge in those.
I have a feeling it will Come Out within the next few months.
We see one in ENT and one in TAS.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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I think it's Return to Babel, where you go over to an Orion ship.
The TOS look is rather similar to TOS Fed stuff: http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Orion_23rd_century_captain_1#Captain_0001
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and how often do bridges vary wildly from other parts of the ship? those episodes might not have shown an actual bridge, but it DOES show an aesthetic from which a bridge can be built
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Also the reason why things are similar with ships types across the board is that it's much easier to balance things that way then if each faction was totally and utterly unique, it's not some hatred of KDF or RR but rather SF players make up the majority of the player base therefore it's logical to change others to match them then the other way around, also balancing things while keeping factions unique is something that needs a larger team then Cryptic has atm or players have just accept that one faction is objectively better (though which faction it is would either be "the one with largest player base" or it would change constantly as the team tries to tackle a task way too big for them).
and THAT depends entirely on just how much they made off the catscort bundle
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Nope. They can break that rule. The original Gorn ships. And the original Naussican ones didn't have hangers. But they put those in. And that's 2 out of 3 races ships that have hangers that shouldn't have.
Nope. I don't remember in any show where Orion ships had hangars. ENT didn't have them. And TOS didn't either. Orion ships are depicted as pleasure barges with opulent room for cargo and the females. We have enough micro-managment hanger ships. This isn't hanger bays online. Make it unique in another way. Like steal energy credits or something.
the full name of the orion faction is the orion syndicate and they're an organized criminal organization not a goverment as far as we know. The lore we have about the orions is that they're pirates, smugglers or crimelords not the people who'd have need for a frontline warship but have need for a smallish raider type ship or a mothership for said smallish raider style ships.
also by your logic, the constitution-class, the Galaxy-class and the Sovereign-class should be carriers as we have seen hangar bays on those.
Sometimes you need to read between the lines as Trek isn't meant to show the full details of combat role of a ship (especially for a race like the orions who show up quite rarely).
If you want an orion ship that isn't a flight deck cruiser, you make a small(ish) raider, making a heavy cap ship that doesn't have a hangar bay would just come of as being different for the sake of being different, also remember just because something wasn't shown on-screen doesn't mean it can't exist.
The Nausicaan ship having a hangar is a symptom of the same problem the Gorn Vestas also suffer, though - they're reskins of Federation ships that Cryptic was too lazy to balance and flavor so they didn't have to have hangars. While you can fudge if for the Gorn ships given my point above, I agree it makes no sense at all for the Nausicaans. But we're not talking about them, we're talking about Orions, and playable Orion ships in STO have hangars. End of discussion.
I don't remember a lot of things in STO from the shows. Canon is a fantastic guideline, but it's unreasonable to stick to it without deviation. STO is a video game, we have to make stuff up to fill out some things, so the argument of "we didn't see it on the show" is flimsy at best, especially when referring to something we have so few examples of.
I agree that hangars are over-saturated (the Vesta and Gal-X along with their clones should never have had one), but Orion ships are on a short list of ships that should have them.
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