[STOPC] The Competitive Wargames Reputation

ambassadorkael

Learn the rewards you can earn with the marks you receive in the new competitive wargames!

Full details here:
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10460633-the-competitive-wargames-reputation

EDIT: As a note, we've added the following paragraph to the Prevailing Regalia set, as we feel it explains things better:

"Each piece in the Prevailing Regalia set has three different versions, flavored for Innervated (Damage), Bolstered (Support), and Fortified (Protection). These different items will have slightly different stats, depending on which version you obtain. Captains can mix and match each of these items and still receive the full set bonuses - for example, the Innervated Impulse Engines and Bolstered Deflector Array will provide the 'Well Rounded' bonus listed below when slotted on a ship. If you choose to obtain one version of an item, you will receive a discount on the other two. For example, obtaining the Fortified Warp Core will grant you a discount on the Innervated and Bolstered Warp Cores."

thay8472

Do we really need another one of these 40 day grinders? Armour looks good though.

ralphgraphite

thay8472 wrote: »

Do we really need another one of these 40 day grinders? Armour looks good though.

Yes - "The Reputations and currencies will continue until morale improves, or we consolidate currencies again!"

To be honest, a PVP rep? Doubt I'll participate enough to fill out a PVP rep. Even if I did, the quality of PVP will be lower because of folks like me that are not going to stack up well against others and will likely just run for the daily box and be on their way.

questerius

Looks like the first reputation which i will put aside without bothering to play has arrived.
Perhaps if those rep marks can be made in warzones then i will consider it, but being forced into PVP or competitive PVE (Read PVP) is a bridge too far.

If the devs are smart, or smarten up after a while, these marks will be added to red alerts like all the others.

angrytarg

questerius wrote: »

Looks like the first reputation which i will put aside without bothering to play has arrived.
Perhaps if those rep marks can be made in warzones then i will consider it, but being forced into PVP or competitive PVE (Read PVP) is a bridge too far.

If the devs are smart, or smarten up after a while, these marks will be added to red alerts like all the others.

That's not really fair. I mean you are not required to participate or get everything in STO just because it's there. Different things for different critters

I personally am not too fascinated with the sets themselves as I can't see myself building a theme for a character with them. But maybe the new game mode is fun.​​

questerius

angrytarg wrote: »

questerius wrote: »

Looks like the first reputation which i will put aside without bothering to play has arrived.
Perhaps if those rep marks can be made in warzones then i will consider it, but being forced into PVP or competitive PVE (Read PVP) is a bridge too far.

If the devs are smart, or smarten up after a while, these marks will be added to red alerts like all the others.

That's not really fair. I mean you are not required to participate or get everything in STO just because it's there. Different things for different critters

I personally am not too fascinated with the sets themselves as I can't see myself building a theme for a character with them. But maybe the new game mode is fun.​​

It's the idea of having to put up with that cesspool called PVP to complete a reputation puts me off.

neos472

there is a queue where you don't have to shoot up other players more of a team based race than the typical player shoots player

hanover2

I wonder if this rep omni tetryon can be equipped with that mission reward omni tetryon. Envisioning a PvP rep/Tholian/Krenim build on my T5-FU Nova.

lucho80

Yay, PvP rep!

Forced challenge looks like it's going to be a fun one to use on others. Other than that, read through it and it seems like the worst rep I've seen yet.

shpoks

Well, at least the design of the Klingon set follows the rule of Cryptic hitting the nail on the head when it comes to Klingon designs, whenever they decide to do them.

sheldonlcooper

It's interesting. They say, "Assessed Stratagems can also be earned by participating in the Advanced and Elite versions of any queued event." If that's true then I'm okay with all this. Why? Because the ground queue is not pvp. I will simply run that.

sgtfloydpepper

Meh. Not wasting my time on anything PVP related. When it comes to the PVP community in STO, you'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and idiocy.

iamynaught

I can see it now, AFKers everywhere in Advanced public versions of these PvP queues. Unless you only get the Assessed Stratagems if your team wins, that's pretty much what will happen.

And if only the winning team gets them, these queues are DOA, no matter if private or public.

It will be interesting to see how this turns out over the next month or so after release.

lucho80

sgtfloydpepper#7911 wrote: »

Meh. Not wasting my time on anything PVP related. When it comes to the PVP community in STO, you'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and idiocy.

Oh, come one, we're all not bad.

ambassadorkael

So just so we're clear, the majority of the competitive queues that are coming with this update and grant marks for this reputation don't actually include direct PVP. We're calling them Competitive PVE because they're competitions to complete in game tasks, like the Binary Circuit queue we announced this morning. It will definitely be possible to get the marks you need for these rewards without having to step into the PVP world.

lnblade

ralphgraphite wrote: »

To be honest, a PVP rep? Doubt I'll participate enough to fill out a PVP rep. Even if I did, the quality of PVP will be lower because of folks like me that are not going to stack up well against others and will likely just run for the daily box and be on their way.

Yeah, this is an unfortunate way of doing things. I expected some kind of gear rewards for PVP, but from some sort of dedicated store where you could exchange the gubbins you get for playing the PVP stuff. I'd like to continue having all of the reps on my three mains maxed out, so I guess I'll be going in and half-***ing war games runs to get the marks. Can't wait for people to start hurling abuse at me for not "playing right"

legendarylycan

that T5 rep clicky looks interesting...it'll pair well with the D4X's standoff trait, at least​​

mustrumridcully0

Hmm. I have not really PvPed in a long time (just a bit of Ker'rating with.... an old STO friend), but I notice that this sounds a bit problematic:

Unstoppable (Passive) - Tier 3 – Ground

• When you kill an enemy player they drop a pick-up buff.
  • Picking up the buff grants to your team:
    • Brief Speed Boost
    • Heal
    • Shield Heal
  • Has a 5% chance to occur against non-player characters.

Rolling Tide(Passive) - Tier 4 – Space

• When you kill an enemy player they drop a pick-up buff.
  • Picking up the buff grants to your team:
    • Brief Speed Boost
    • Heal
    • Shield Heal
  • Has a 5% chance to occur against non-player characters.

In my experience, the team that scored a kill does not need a buff. Particularly in Arena PvP, losing a player in the brawl severely weakens the team - it means one less person to help overcome the enemies defenses, and one less player that can throw a heal to someone under pressure. And then,t he other player respawns, and has to regroup with the team,without being caught of guard, potentially needing to recover from PvP. It leads to quick wipes.


A better approach might be to give something to help the side that is losing players.

Avenge Me! (Passive) - Tier 3 – Ground

• When you are killed by an enemy player you drop a pick-up buff.
  • Picking up the buff grants to your team:
    • Brief Speed Boost
    • Resistance Buff
    • Shield Damage Reduction Buff
  • Has a 5% chance to occur when killed by an NPC.

Fight On! (Passive) - Tier 4 – Space

• When you are killed by an enemy player you drop a pick-up buff.
  • Picking up the buff grants to your team:
    • Brief Speed Boost
    • Resistance Buff
    • Shield Damage Reduction Buff
  • Has a 5% chance to occur when killed by an NPC.

Besides, we should stop putting incentives in to the game to kill players. Let's keep it between player characters, it's a game!

nightken

I may get the ground sets for looks and probably the omni for one of my rom ships, nothing else really in this for me. dmg typing is just not on I use much.

oh, well easy dil.

angrytarg

mustrumridcully0 wrote: »

Hmm. I have not really PvPed in a long time (just a bit of Ker'rating with.... an old STO friend), but I notice that this sounds a bit problematic:
(...)
In my experience, the team that scored a kill does not need a buff. Particularly in Arena PvP, losing a player in the brawl severely weakens the team - it means one less person to help overcome the enemies defenses, and one less player that can throw a heal to someone under pressure. And then,t he other player respawns, and has to regroup with the team,without being caught of guard, potentially needing to recover from PvP. It leads to quick wipes.


A better approach might be to give something to help the side that is losing players.

Avenge Me! (Passive) - Tier 3 – Ground

• When you are killed by an enemy player you drop a pick-up buff.
  • Picking up the buff grants to your team:
    • Brief Speed Boost
    • Resistance Buff
    • Shield Damage Reduction Buff
  • Has a 5% chance to occur when killed by an NPC.

Fight On! (Passive) - Tier 4 – Space

• When you are killed by an enemy player you drop a pick-up buff.
  • Picking up the buff grants to your team:
    • Brief Speed Boost
    • Resistance Buff
    • Shield Damage Reduction Buff
  • Has a 5% chance to occur when killed by an NPC.

Besides, we should stop putting incentives in to the game to kill players. Let's keep it between player characters, it's a game!

This is an excellent suggestion - it's probably too late for this, but I support it! ​​

sunfrancks

ambassadorkael#6946 wrote: »

So just so we're clear, the majority of the competitive queues that are coming with this update and grant marks for this reputation don't actually include direct PVP. We're calling them Competitive PVE because they're competitions to complete in game tasks, like the Binary Circuit queue we announced this morning. It will definitely be possible to get the marks you need for these rewards without having to step into the PVP world.

Well providing these Marks are available from Red Alerts, like every other Mark in the game, then I will do this Rep.

iamynaught

ambassadorkael#6946 wrote: »

So just so we're clear, the majority of the competitive queues that are coming with this update and grant marks for this reputation don't actually include direct PVP. We're calling them Competitive PVE because they're competitions to complete in game tasks, like the Binary Circuit queue we announced this morning. It will definitely be possible to get the marks you need for these rewards without having to step into the PVP world.

Unless there are more queues coming, which is entirely probable, half of the queues so far HAVE direct PvP. Half is not a majority. I may be nitpicking, but it's accurate. No matter how you try to word it, no matter how you intend it to be played, Core Assault WILL have direct PvP in it.

Now, Binary Circuit has no direct PvP, and it actually sounds interesting enough for me to be looking forward to giving it a shot. It does have "gimmicks" that will allow teams to affect each other, but not in the 'I walk up to you and shoot you in the face' variety. So I'm actually okay with that.

In theory anyway.

lnblade

sophlogimo wrote: »

ambassadorkael#6946 wrote: »

So just so we're clear, the majority of the competitive queues that are coming with this update and grant marks for this reputation don't actually include direct PVP. We're calling them Competitive PVE because they're competitions to complete in game tasks, like the Binary Circuit queue we announced this morning. It will definitely be possible to get the marks you need for these rewards without having to step into the PVP world.

Quoted for importance.

Guys, this is NOT a PvP-requiring reputation. Although I do think having the sets might help with PvP a lot, depending on the strength of the bonuses.

I understand that there's no direct PvP, but it's still there indirectly. You're competing against another team to try to win the queue. And for me that's the problem, because competition brings out the absolute worst qualities in some people. I don't want to be subjected to a string of abuse because some jerk with a damage parser is losing his s*** because he thinks I'm not doing enough damage with my Vesta or because I'm not flying the best min/maxed ship ever. People can be bad enough in the existing PvE queues. Now add in a competing team? Things are going to get toxic.

ltminns

Even if you can get these Marks in Red Alerts and from Special Events, they will not reward Assessed Strategums so you will never be able to get the Rep Equipment unless you convert these Competitive Marks at 100 a day.

Remember, to buy the four-piece Space Set, three-piece Ground Set, and three-piece Console/Weapon Set will mean 41 Assessesd Strategums, so 41 days of conversion and 4,100 Competitive Marks in addition to what you are earning just to unlock the Rep Tiers.

Also, there is no Battlezone to obtain the Assessed Strategums either (not that the bugged Tzen'kethi Zone did much for that either).

It's all on the Advanced and Elite Queues boys and girls.

zulisvel

Ehhh. The only equipment from this rep that even interests me is the pistol. I mean the rest of the ground set seems usesful but I really don't like capes in STO, I don't even use the Rom or KDF options. Other than something TOS themed capes just don't fit my idea of Star Trek's aesthetic.

I guess I'll be passing on this PVP based content and just pick up the rep currency when it's offered in a future event mark box.

rattler2

I'm not really a PvP person (Some bad experiences in WoW and here in STO with getting vaped without being able to even blink), but for that Omni and my desire to get all the outfits (because I'm a costume fiend) I'll poke my head into the PvE elements. That Omni would be pretty useful for my Tet build.

dumas13

I'll be breeding birds on Risa or waiting on the next Breach/Mirror/whatever event. Some players go to a bad headspace when competing against each other. I've had my share of rage over PUG losing streaks and it's not worth it when I have to wait half an hour to go again. How are the rewards determined? I hope the losing side at least qualifies for the daily bonus marks, though that barely makes it worth playing.

markhawkman

iamynaught wrote: »

I can see it now, AFKers everywhere in Advanced public versions of these PvP queues. Unless you only get the Assessed Stratagems if your team wins, that's pretty much what will happen.

And if only the winning team gets them, these queues are DOA, no matter if private or public.

It will be interesting to see how this turns out over the next month or so after release.

That's what the rating system is for. AFKers will lose rating fast and then end up with either players that stink or other AFKers.

ltminns

There is no people that 'stink' in this game, only those that are 'Participationally' Challenged.