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I cannot be the only one annoyed by this, or am I?
potasssium
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I finally gave in and swallowed my years of annoyance, claimed a ship I refused to acknowledge, just for the Admiralty Card, because they gave it away free last week.
No, I'm not complaining about Federation ships with cloaks, or Federation raiders, or even the absurdity of Federation Captains using alien ships.
This isn't about Science Ships either, I actually have the 4 KDF Dyson Science Ships, and find them fine if you just ignore the transformation gimmick. (Full disclosure, my Gorn Sci used the Krenn, Korath, and Rozenko, before getting his Paradox.)
No this is my primary anti Federation annoyance.
The Avenger and Arbiter. When the Avenger came out years ago, it annoyed the hell out of me because the Federation should not have Battlecruisers.
When they released the Kurak, Morrigu, and Arbiter, I specifically bought the Kurak and Morrigu separately just to show my distain for the mere existence of Federation Battlecruisers.
Then last week they give away the Avenger, I swallow my pride just to get Admiralty cards then dismiss the ship.
So I am just wondering if I am the only one who is upset about Federation Battlecruisers.
Don't even get me started on the Fed Command Battlecruisers, I bought the KDF 3 pack, but even though I like the look of the FED Science CBC Geneva,I refuse to buy it.
Battlecruisers have been my line in the sand for KDF for many years.
We have 2 T6 Soviegn variants, but no Vor'cha?
They gave away the t5 Ambassador as an account unlock for Feds, but not the t5 Kamarag? (Favorite Federation Cruiser, Second Favorite Klingon Battlecruiser.)
So am I really the only one annoyed by Federation Battlecruisers? Or after all the other issues I listed at the beginning, are Battlecruisers just a drop in the bucket?
No, I'm not complaining about Federation ships with cloaks, or Federation raiders, or even the absurdity of Federation Captains using alien ships.
This isn't about Science Ships either, I actually have the 4 KDF Dyson Science Ships, and find them fine if you just ignore the transformation gimmick. (Full disclosure, my Gorn Sci used the Krenn, Korath, and Rozenko, before getting his Paradox.)
No this is my primary anti Federation annoyance.
The Avenger and Arbiter. When the Avenger came out years ago, it annoyed the hell out of me because the Federation should not have Battlecruisers.
When they released the Kurak, Morrigu, and Arbiter, I specifically bought the Kurak and Morrigu separately just to show my distain for the mere existence of Federation Battlecruisers.
Then last week they give away the Avenger, I swallow my pride just to get Admiralty cards then dismiss the ship.
So I am just wondering if I am the only one who is upset about Federation Battlecruisers.
Don't even get me started on the Fed Command Battlecruisers, I bought the KDF 3 pack, but even though I like the look of the FED Science CBC Geneva,I refuse to buy it.
Battlecruisers have been my line in the sand for KDF for many years.
We have 2 T6 Soviegn variants, but no Vor'cha?
They gave away the t5 Ambassador as an account unlock for Feds, but not the t5 Kamarag? (Favorite Federation Cruiser, Second Favorite Klingon Battlecruiser.)
So am I really the only one annoyed by Federation Battlecruisers? Or after all the other issues I listed at the beginning, are Battlecruisers just a drop in the bucket?
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if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
But I suppose beating a dead horse won't bring it back to life.
The T6 nebula got me to open my Wallet, I will admid. I was on a 10 month sebatical until that ship came out, Favorite fed ship. I would buy the KDF one if it could mount DHC.
If the Vesta and Scryer, and Leaosa can have DHC, why the heck not the Klingon Science ship...
I would have gotten the 3 pack if that ship could have used DHC.
Otherwise I get the Fleet version for my Feds and traits of the exchange these days, as well as buying Fleet modules off the exchange.
A T6 Kamarag, Vor'cha, Heavy Cruiser, or if they add the New Orleans would open my wallet rather quick.
That said, my next purchases will likely be the Klingon Gorkon or Qa'tel. Not counting exchange stuff to buff ul my Admirality with T5 ships, and the 200k fleet credit ships from the fleet store.
This, in a nutshell!
Basically, by the time the Avenger made an appearance in STO, Cryptic had already done so much to water down the differences between the factions and so many fiery arguments have been had about those issues, that the Avenger was but a drop in the ocean. Long before that (sometime before LoR launched) I've made a decision that because I'm too much of an Trek addict I won't let things like that bother me and I'll just try to create my own experiences as I see fit. I mean, Feds having battlecruisers (speaking game-wise and in terms of STO gameplay, I know they had them in canon by designation) can't be much worse than everyone commanding Tholian/Undine/Iconian/whatever alien ship of the month.
When the Avenger came, I actually bought it immediately because it looked ugly (I have a thing about ugly ships, don't ask me how or why) and to test the new cruiser commands that were limited to this ship at the time. I grew to like the darned thing, it automatically came with the name of my home city so it softened me up.
I remember an episode of DS9 where Worf announces that another Klingon vessel has just arrived...and then he says...it is a Vor'cha class attack cruiser. He almost makes it sound like a light battlecruiser, even though it was bigger than the K'tinga which was always designated as a true battlecruiser.
I don't really see why battle cruiser as a class would be that big of an issue, considering Feds have always had escorts in this game, which are small heavy hitters, and cruisers which are big durable ships, so why shouldn't they have an in-between class?
because their explorers not an army? or so they say anyway. granted I'm fairly sure they are a pack of liars.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
For canon, I'd leave this matter to https://www.reddit.com/r/DaystromInstitute/ . The Federation's figurative scorecard isn't that great when it comes to 'peaceful exploration ships', as threads on there will point out and debate.
For this game (non-canon, or 'beta'-canon), Feds get the option of choosing an escort every 10 levels from 20 to 40 inclusive (and the 'light cruiser' starting ships can fit cannons). However, you very rarely 'escort' anything in the storyline. Instead, you're mostly you're just killing things on your own. This makes escorts more of a warship than anything. On top of that, in canon, Sisko considered the Defiant a warship and then applied the 'escort' moniker to it to hide that fact from allies willing to turn a blind eye to it and denser enemies. If the Defiant was an exception, I could see excepting the Fed fleet in game as 'explorers', but it's just one ship in a line of heavy-tactical ships that you can pick.
counter point. everything career based in sto, including the ship set ups, is a gameplay matter not a story matter. so having a tact heavy escort line means nothing. it so tacts have a "correct" ship to fly.
and as far a canon I did say I'm pretty sure their liars
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
And battle cruiser is not a Klingon exclusive so i dont know why that upset you more than a battle cloak.
"It appears we have lost our sex appeal, captain."- Tuvok
battlecrusiers were a kdf exclusive before the avenger.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
"It appears we have lost our sex appeal, captain."- Tuvok
"It appears we have lost our sex appeal, captain."- Tuvok
Even before the introduction of the Borg and the Dominion, Starfleet was already a fleet of military vessels with warships. It is still a pack of liars.
A good point. Plus, the "fast battlecruiser" niche is pretty well covered by the Kurak and Qib; my personal grievance is that they came up with a Cryptic-only design instead of giving the T6 Kurak's niche to a Vorcha.
On the plus side, it does mean that there's still one canon battlecruiser left for the next specialisation - I could see the Vor'cha paired with the Ambassador (which IMO is its real equivalent fedside).
Considering the game unifies everything from content to ships it's only a logical choice. Faction diverse gameplay vanished from Cryptic's agenda a long time ago.
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Hmmm...good point.
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
I honestly love both the Kamarag & Vor'cha, and would be happy with either or both.
given what they already released that could release one along with the Federation support cruiser, and the other along with the Heavy Cruiser.
using the t5 MU Heavy Cruiser, on my AoY, I will say this, she has an inertia of 30 like the Vor'cha so can be built much like a DBB cruiser and feel very similar to a Vor'cha. I would say that since the excelsior is already the Advanced heavy cruiser, the the Stargazer group should be renamed to Patrol Cruiser or sometging of the like.
Keep fighting the good fight Patrick.