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Odyssey uniform variants for specialist Boffs

There is a variant of the Starfleet Odyssey uniform for Intel officers, as worn by Cdr Burgess and Lt Cdr Van Zyl. I use this for my Intel Bridge Officers. I wonder could we not have something to identify Pilot and Command officers too? Perhaps a badge similar to the pilot's "wings" used in the Royal Navy for pilots would be appropriate for that specialisation. A badge and medal "pack" might make a nice c-store uniform item. Of course, giving it away free would be even better! :)
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 57,973 Community Moderator
    The only real difference betwen Burgess and Van Zyl's uniform and a standard duty uniform is that their departmental color is black.

    If we go by the traditional department titles Command is a department, depicted by red uniforms from TNG on. Pilots may technically fall under the Command department as most of the time we see a Command colored uniform in the Helm seat.

    Notable Helmsmen wearing Command colors:
    • Travis Mayweather
    • Hikaru Sulu
    • Worf
    • Geordi LaForge
    • Tom Paris

    "How can Worf and LaForge be on this list?" you ask? Season 1 of TNG had both of them in red uniforms and having madded the Helm station on the Enterprise-D. I believe it was from Season 2 on that they switched to the Ops Gold. Then Worf went back to Command Red in DS9.
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  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    Its just Jr. Bridge officers wear the command color, later in their career it would/might change due to their career choice. Not just helmsman. Geordi and worf werent helmsman technically, they just filled in the Ops seat occasionally IIRC.

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    Edit: Removed Kim, had brain TRIBBLE, he wore Ops uniform.
  • bawdytieflingbawdytiefling Member Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    The primary color assignment for Starfleet divisions has changed so much over Star Trek's 50 year run; starting with which color looked best against an actor's skin tone or looked best on camera through TOS movie's complete change, to TNG's attempt to bring back the tri color scheme, and to STO's present Red=Tactical, Yellow=Engineering, Blue=Science.

    Whoever is in charge at Paramont I hope for the upcoming CBS streaming series they put some serious thought into not just the uniform, but what these divisions really mean. I've seen Trek fan friends get into serious arguments about what constitutes tactical vs security, operations vs engineering, and what exactly is a science officer (is it limited to just people with an -ologist in their job title, or is it people who use/service scientific equipment too? and, when do those people servicing the equipment stop being in sciences, and start being in Operations or Engineering?). It's all very confusing.

    I'm sure there's lots of passionate opinions among the STO player-base too, but it would be nice to have some thoughtful consensus from the IP license-holders to clear up some debates, and pave the way for more in-depth, clear, storytelling.

    Whatever the case, fingers-crossed for some awesome looking uniforms for the upcoming TV show!

    EDIT: D'oh! Forgot to add, I like OP's idea of badges for sub-divisions.
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    Could always assign your own for your crew, using currently unused colors. Maybe:

    White= Pilot
    Orange = Command (or just stick with red and ignore the tactical overlap)
    Green = Temporal
    Purple = whatever comes after Temporal
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  • jaturnleyjaturnley Member Posts: 1,218 Arc User
    Could always assign your own for your crew, using currently unused colors. Maybe:

    White= Pilot
    Orange = Command (or just stick with red and ignore the tactical overlap)
    Green = Temporal
    Purple = whatever comes after Temporal

    Pilot is probably better as light blue, but yea, that's what I have done. I leave the piping the way it is, and change the stripe.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 57,973 Community Moderator
    As I mostly use the Sierra 1 uniforms... a little harder to do that. lol
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    jaturnley wrote: »
    Could always assign your own for your crew, using currently unused colors. Maybe:

    White= Pilot
    Orange = Command (or just stick with red and ignore the tactical overlap)
    Green = Temporal
    Purple = whatever comes after Temporal

    Pilot is probably better as light blue, but yea, that's what I have done. I leave the piping the way it is, and change the stripe.

    I agree about light blue being better for pilot, but it can easily be confused with science, depending on the shade of blue you use on your science officers.
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  • dragonseye1138dragonseye1138 Member Posts: 91 Arc User
    I remember reading somewhere that green was used for starfleet marines. I put my pilots in grey, counselors in purple, chaplains in white, and marines in green. Orange never seemed to look good on the odyssey uniforms IMO. Though what I'd really like to see are the MACO camouflage uniforms from Enterprise season 3.
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  • annemarie30annemarie30 Member Posts: 2,593 Arc User
    i go all black with teh uniform, and the stripe is the dept color. Command rank officers have the outer piping gold
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  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    jaturnley wrote: »
    Could always assign your own for your crew, using currently unused colors. Maybe:

    White= Pilot
    Orange = Command (or just stick with red and ignore the tactical overlap)
    Green = Temporal
    Purple = whatever comes after Temporal

    Pilot is probably better as light blue, but yea, that's what I have done. I leave the piping the way it is, and change the stripe.

    I agree about light blue being better for pilot, but it can easily be confused with science, depending on the shade of blue you use on your science officers.

    "pilot" isn't really a career that would be "helmsman" which normally would end up using the red color.

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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    gradii wrote: »
    jaturnley wrote: »
    Could always assign your own for your crew, using currently unused colors. Maybe:

    White= Pilot
    Orange = Command (or just stick with red and ignore the tactical overlap)
    Green = Temporal
    Purple = whatever comes after Temporal

    Pilot is probably better as light blue, but yea, that's what I have done. I leave the piping the way it is, and change the stripe.

    I agree about light blue being better for pilot, but it can easily be confused with science, depending on the shade of blue you use on your science officers.

    "pilot" isn't really a career that would be "helmsman" which normally would end up using the red color.

    The whole point of this thread is to assign unique uniforms to Specialization trained BOffs, and Pilot is a Specialization ...

    I myself stick to just red/gold/blue, but I can see why some would want to assign colors to specializations, so what I posted was how I thought it could work out. As the OP already pointed out, there are some NPCs likely meant to be Intel spec that have black instead of one of the three usual colors. The Pilot spec icon is blue, but that's taken, so I offered white as an alternative.
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  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    Just saw they censor the word fa-rt, stupidist thing i ever seen, they need to adjust their parental filter. What am i supposed to say, brain break wind? Lol. :D
  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 57,973 Community Moderator
    Just saw they censor the word fa-rt, stupidist thing i ever seen, they need to adjust their parental filter. What am i supposed to say, brain break wind? Lol. :D

    I have to agree. There are some words being censored that don't really make sense.
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  • asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    I would not mind if either you could have unique shoulder design, or piping that could give the illusion of like semi-wings for the pilot Odyssey pilot variant. Though even just unique badges or a arm sigils you could wear that designates you as one of these officers that has gone thru this training.
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    I just went in and came up with three different styles using the options we currently have available. After doing this, I actually think I favor keeping the department color normal and changing the piping color. Starring my first officer:

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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    Could always assign your own for your crew, using currently unused colors. Maybe:

    White= Pilot
    Orange = Command (or just stick with red and ignore the tactical overlap)
    Green = Temporal
    Purple = whatever comes after Temporal

    I actually would use Green as command considering Kirk wore that green wrap around uniform a few times and it was for command officers only. Orange go Temporal, Pilot I'd go more Tan.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    talonxv wrote: »
    Could always assign your own for your crew, using currently unused colors. Maybe:

    White= Pilot
    Orange = Command (or just stick with red and ignore the tactical overlap)
    Green = Temporal
    Purple = whatever comes after Temporal

    I actually would use Green as command considering Kirk wore that green wrap around uniform a few times and it was for command officers only. Orange go Temporal, Pilot I'd go more Tan.

    Was trying to match them up to the spec icon colors, so I put command as orange, and the pic in the temporal pack makes temporal look to be green potentially (at least it looks like the area around the badge looks green), so I went with green there.
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  • dbeiswengerdbeiswenger Member Posts: 141 Arc User
    Could always assign your own for your crew, using currently unused colors. Maybe:

    White= Pilot
    Orange = Command (or just stick with red and ignore the tactical overlap)
    Green = Temporal
    Purple = whatever comes after Temporal


    Green has been used for Starfleet marines.

  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    I use purple for my Intel officers in both Fed fleet and Romulan.

    Its actually kinda badass.

    (I have white for command)
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    Could always assign your own for your crew, using currently unused colors. Maybe:

    White= Pilot
    Orange = Command (or just stick with red and ignore the tactical overlap)
    Green = Temporal
    Purple = whatever comes after Temporal


    Green has been used for Starfleet marines.

    In STO, or somewhere else? I don't seem to remember marines ever being mentioned in STO myself, just MACOs (though I DO have a pseudo dress blue uniform created).

    Keep in mind that as of the STO timeframe, division colors have changed a little (Red = Tactical instead of Command, etc), so if its not already shown in STO on an NPC, its available.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    nikeix wrote: »
    I use purple for my Intel officers in both Fed fleet and Romulan.

    Its actually kinda badass.

    (I have white for command)

    That would seem to fit more I agree, though it seems Cryptic favors black for Intel.
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    Could always assign your own for your crew, using currently unused colors. Maybe:

    White= Pilot
    Orange = Command (or just stick with red and ignore the tactical overlap)
    Green = Temporal
    Purple = whatever comes after Temporal


    Green has been used for Starfleet marines.

    In STO, or somewhere else? I don't seem to remember marines ever being mentioned in STO myself, just MACOs (though I DO have a pseudo dress blue uniform created).

    Keep in mind that as of the STO timeframe, division colors have changed a little (Red = Tactical instead of Command, etc), so if its not already shown in STO on an NPC, its available.

    The only times Starfleet Marines have been mentioned in official media is in one of the tabletop RPGs. The ground troops we saw in DS9 wore either Command Red or Security Yellow.
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  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    So, thought I'd try green for my designated "Chronotactical warfare" captain (female Vulcan Tactical). I like it.

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  • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,985 Arc User
    I usually use black as the department colour for my intel officers
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    • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
      Could always assign your own for your crew, using currently unused colors. Maybe:

      White= Pilot
      Orange = Command (or just stick with red and ignore the tactical overlap)
      Green = Temporal
      Purple = whatever comes after Temporal


      Green has been used for Starfleet marines.

      There's no such thing. Starfleet Security is the department that does all the shooting. So, depending on the era, they will be outfitted in red or yellow.​​
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    • kianazerokianazero Member Posts: 247 Arc User
      artan42 wrote: »
      Could always assign your own for your crew, using currently unused colors. Maybe:

      White= Pilot
      Orange = Command (or just stick with red and ignore the tactical overlap)
      Green = Temporal
      Purple = whatever comes after Temporal


      Green has been used for Starfleet marines.

      There's no such thing. Starfleet Security is the department that does all the shooting. So, depending on the era, they will be outfitted in red or yellow.​​

      Only kinda. There was a person who held a Marine rank in Starfleet, Colonel West.

      Granted, that's the only one in the entirety of the show's history.
    • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
      kianazero wrote: »
      artan42 wrote: »
      Could always assign your own for your crew, using currently unused colors. Maybe:

      White= Pilot
      Orange = Command (or just stick with red and ignore the tactical overlap)
      Green = Temporal
      Purple = whatever comes after Temporal


      Green has been used for Starfleet marines.

      There's no such thing. Starfleet Security is the department that does all the shooting. So, depending on the era, they will be outfitted in red or yellow.

      Only kinda. There was a person who held a Marine rank in Starfleet, Colonel West.

      Granted, that's the only one in the entirety of the show's history.

      He he addressed as such onscreen, because if not, those are Admiral stripes he's wearing.

      If he is addressed as such in the film I'm guessing it's his first name. Either that or he's as much a colonel as O'Brien is a lieutenant.​​
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    • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 57,973 Community Moderator
      Except for one thing...
      The display that West shows during the briefing, does mention a Starfleet Marine Corps, suggesting (along with his rank) that West is actually a Marine himself.
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    • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
      rattler2 wrote: »
      Except for one thing...
      The display that West shows during the briefing, does mention a Starfleet Marine Corps, suggesting (along with his rank) that West is actually a Marine himself.

      Yeah, a shot of that screen from the film is going to be needed. If we took everything from illegible background events as having happened we'd have giant ducks in the Ent D, Doctor Who actors as family relatives, Steamrunners in the 22nd century, and a Federation Dauntless.

      If that is indeed legible I may reconsider but until then it's a background easter egg to the Strategy game.​​
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    • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 57,973 Community Moderator
      The Memory Alpha page on Operation Retrieve mentions Starfleet Marines.
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      The details of the operation involved a direct incursion by several starships, plus several teams of Starfleet Marines, launched from Starbase 24 to the penal world of Rura Penthe, well within Klingon territory. The operation was expected to last no more than 24 hours with an acceptable loss to equipment and manpower.

      Until we get some high rez images of the briefing materials, we're gonna have to go with what's been said about it. My guess is that the reference to the Marines might be on pg 2 or 3 of the briefing.
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