I still say the Discovery looks like a brute-force first pass at the Constitution - achieving higher sustained warp speeds, for instance, not by more-advanced engine designs but by basically duct-taping three nacelles into a single housing and throwing power to them.
The nacelles of the "Proto-Discovery". I don't have much an issue with. As long there is no "afterburners" effect on them. And it needs a proper deflector. And proper weapon types. Other stuff used on the show, should reflect a good bit of "The Cage". Uniforms, ground gear, some of the ship interior themes, etc.
All that will probably be present in some fashion, BUT...
We will also be seeing aspects of the Kelvin Timeline in the show as well.
How do I know that?
Because Mr. Bryan Fuller the Executive Producer of the show has said so.
He has also said emphatically, that Star Trek: Discovery IS SET IN THE PRIME UNIVERSE.
So, it's time to either "Let It Go" or "Move It On Up", because come next January, you're going to be hanging even farther out on that really thin branch that you are clinging to all by yourself.
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I acquired Lootcrate recently & got free promo code for "Starfleet Admiral's Comission Pack". Since I do not play the game anyway, here it is for anyone who's fast enough to grab it: "8NorwPi3" (REDEEMED) p.s. comment after redeeming:)
I acquired Lootcrate recently & got free promo code for "Starfleet Admiral's Comission Pack".
Since I do not play the game anyway, here it is for anyone who's fast enough to grab it:
"8NorwPi3"
p.s. comment after redeeming:)
Well that was unexpected .
Turns out stalking the forums a hundred times a day on my day off pays off.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
> @artan42 said: > ramin1990 wrote: » > > I acquired Lootcrate recently & got free promo code for "Starfleet Admiral's Comission Pack". > Since I do not play the game anyway, here it is for anyone who's fast enough to grab it: > "8NorwPi3" > p.s. comment after redeeming:) > > > > > Well that was unexpected . > > Turns out stalking the forums a hundred times a day on my day off pays off. > > @ramin1990 you are an excellent human being.
You are welcome:) See you guys in other games. Silmaril#2360
Gratulations @artan42 what a lucky find That's a RMC for you
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Gratulations @artan42 what a lucky find That's a RMC for you
Sure, sure, RMC meh.
More importantly
Wooo!
Today was a good day
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
To be perfectly candid, I don't see the diffrence aside from the little goose bumps But I'll still rejoice on your behalf
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
The abstract concept of 'we have at-whim precision time travel' pretty much implodes all narrative tension forever.
TOS, "Assignment: Earth". The Enterprise was sent back through time with "at-whim precision" in order to observe the attempted launch of a nuclear-weapons orbital platform and determine why it failed. (And then it turned out to be a predestination paradox...)
Oddly, that didn't seem to "implode all narrative tension forever."
Could the number of the USS Discovery NCC-1031, be an indicator that it could secretly be a Section-31 ship?
Fuller did mention that shady group in one of his interviews.
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All that will probably be present in some fashion, BUT...
We will also be seeing aspects of the Kelvin Timeline in the show as well.
How do I know that?
Because Mr. Bryan Fuller the Executive Producer of the show has said so.
He has also said emphatically, that Star Trek: Discovery IS SET IN THE PRIME UNIVERSE.
So, it's time to either "Let It Go" or "Move It On Up", because come next January, you're going to be hanging even farther out on that really thin branch that you are clinging to all by yourself.
Nope not on that kind of limb at all. No Kelvin in the show. And the Tech will be similar to used by the Enterprise series.
You keep repeating the same thing over and over...
It really doesn't further your cause, nor does it make you right.
Also, you ignore everything else I said, but cling to the look of the thirty some-odd seconds of SPFx as your comeback...
(as well as your apparent mantra of the $6 fee)
Go ahead and keep swimming up that river, you're just drowning in your on foolishness.
smh
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Sure. The series set after the Kelvin's era in the Cage era will use ENT tech and not Kelvin or Cage tech. You keep banging that lonesome drum mate.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
The abstract concept of 'we have at-whim precision time travel' pretty much implodes all narrative tension forever.
TOS, "Assignment: Earth". The Enterprise was sent back through time with "at-whim precision" in order to observe the attempted launch of a nuclear-weapons orbital platform and determine why it failed. (And then it turned out to be a predestination paradox...)
Oddly, that didn't seem to "implode all narrative tension forever."
And if something pervasively bad had happened, you'd just go further back and fix it.
There are no unhappy endings save those the lords of time (and shoddy writing) allow.
The abstract concept of 'we have at-whim precision time travel' pretty much implodes all narrative tension forever.
TOS, "Assignment: Earth". The Enterprise was sent back through time with "at-whim precision" in order to observe the attempted launch of a nuclear-weapons orbital platform and determine why it failed. (And then it turned out to be a predestination paradox...)
Oddly, that didn't seem to "implode all narrative tension forever."
And if something pervasively bad had happened, you'd just go further back and fix it.
There are no unhappy endings save those the lords of time (and shoddy writing) allow.
Boring. As. ****.
Which is why DS9 introduced the Department of Temporal Investigation. DTI's job is to make sure you're not going to Butterfly Effect the universe into oblivion by time-traveling at whim. (I presume they have some sort of deal with 29th-century Timefleet for enforcement operations, as they're presented as being able to do more than just frown sternly at those who violate their directives.)
Janeway's little (massive) violation gets a pass for some reason, presumably because Timefleet investigated alternate timelines and found out that if stymied, Mad Kathy screwed things up even worse.
I wonder, since Fuller has eliminated the actual "Battle of Axanar" time period rumor, perhaps we might see Captain Garth in the show in some manner anyway...?
(as the article suggests, in his later years)
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I would expect the Battle of Axanar and ever character or event even remotely associated with it to be viewed as a glowing radioactive crater by CBS, the former site of the fan film debacle that they will not speak of for another 7-8 years. Sure as hell not going to put a big neon sign pointing at it with their new show.
And it's getting kind of pathetic that in all of Trekdom nobody seems to think there's anything else Fuller could be referring to. Serious tunnel-vision. He must be just shaking his head.
I wonder, since Fuller has eliminated the actual "Battle of Axanar" time period rumor, perhaps we might see Captain Garth in the show in some manner anyway...?
(as the article suggests, in his later years)
I'd say 'idle' rather than 'interesting'... The assumption that because this Lt.Commander is not a Captain, they aren't also going to be the commander of the vessel... The very nature of Trek involves anensemble cast for the various roles. It simply won't work to say that one character is the most important, but everyone else around them is not. It would be like saying TNG was a story about Data, and everyone else 'just happened to be there', or that DS-9 was all about Nog growing up (with everyone else along for the ride...) No, my money is on this Lt.Commander being in the center seat giving the orders.
As for the Garth of Izar speculation, if that does turn out to be true, I see Alec Peters stamping his feet and being very cross
As for the Garth of Izar speculation, if that does turn out to be true, I see Alec Peters stamping his feet and being very cross
Well, he's been doing that already, so...
BTW, it occurred to me while logging in earlier - the secondary hull isn't quite so flat, the saucer is bigger, and the wing-pylons extend forward (a bit) rather than backward, but there's a T6 Exploration Cruiser that looks an awful lot like the Discovery there. Just sayin'.
As for the Garth of Izar speculation, if that does turn out to be true, I see Alec Peters stamping his feet and being very cross
Well, he's been doing that already, so...
BTW, it occurred to me while logging in earlier - the secondary hull isn't quite so flat, the saucer is bigger, and the wing-pylons extend forward (a bit) rather than backward, but there's a T6 Exploration Cruiser that looks an awful lot like the Discovery there. Just sayin'.
Oh I'd expect his hissy-fit to escalate to full on meltdown/tantrum...
Yeah, there's definitely a few 'extra angles' on the Discovery than McQuarrie's concept...
I'm still of the opinion that the open-saucer of the Vengeance was based on this STO concept art by John Eaves...
Given that there was even promotional images of something similar:
I'm surprized that hasn't made a debut yet either (well, other than in my writing... )
I wonder, since Fuller has eliminated the actual "Battle of Axanar" time period rumor, perhaps we might see Captain Garth in the show in some manner anyway...?
(as the article suggests, in his later years)
I'd say 'idle' rather than 'interesting'... The assumption that because this Lt.Commander is not a Captain, they aren't also going to be the commander of the vessel... The very nature of Trek involves anensemble cast for the various roles. It simply won't work to say that one character is the most important, but everyone else around them is not. It would be like saying TNG was a story about Data, and everyone else 'just happened to be there', or that DS-9 was all about Nog growing up (with everyone else along for the ride...) No, my money is on this Lt.Commander being in the center seat giving the orders.
As for the Garth of Izar speculation, if that does turn out to be true, I see Alec Peters stamping his feet and being very cross
At first I kinda wondered about that myself, would something happen and the main character is forced to take command...
But after going back over Fuller's comments a couple of more times, it seems more likely that he really is planning on doing a kind of "Lower Decks" type of show, with the main character not really hanging out on the bridge all the time.
IMO, having Garth as the Captain of the ship, would be a lovely way for CBS to stick it to Mr. Peters though.
Essentially taking all the hype and using it to their advantage.
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This could be great, but I have a feeling this is going to be trainwreck, that will make the worst of Voyager, Enterprise, Nemisis look like good times.
But I could be wrong and I might love it. Just from everything so far, it seems like they made a huge mistake putting it in Fullers hands.
Apparently, you haven't seen any of the other multiple shows he's done recently, nor know how well received most of them have been.
He's no slouch at creating popular TV shows and the talent he has hired so far to help him, have quite impressive backgrounds in both the Movie and Television industry.
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I wonder, since Fuller has eliminated the actual "Battle of Axanar" time period rumor, perhaps we might see Captain Garth in the show in some manner anyway...?
(as the article suggests, in his later years)
I'd say 'idle' rather than 'interesting'... The assumption that because this Lt.Commander is not a Captain, they aren't also going to be the commander of the vessel... The very nature of Trek involves anensemble cast for the various roles. It simply won't work to say that one character is the most important, but everyone else around them is not. It would be like saying TNG was a story about Data, and everyone else 'just happened to be there', or that DS-9 was all about Nog growing up (with everyone else along for the ride...) No, my money is on this Lt.Commander being in the center seat giving the orders.
As for the Garth of Izar speculation, if that does turn out to be true, I see Alec Peters stamping his feet and being very cross
At first I kinda wondered about that myself, would something happen and the main character is forced to take command...
But after going back over Fuller's comments a couple of more times, it seems more likely that he really is planning on doing a kind of "Lower Decks" type of show, with the main character not really hanging out on the bridge all the time.
IMO, having Garth as the Captain of the ship, would be a lovely way for CBS to stick it to Mr. Peters though.
Essentially taking all the hype and using it to their advantage.
It'll be interesting ro see where they go with it. I have to admit, I'm not sure how well a Lower Decks show would work out, as if the character being followed isn't really 'in the loop' as to what's going on, it would mostly just be a case of reacting to whatever's happening, and I think the idea of them being brought up to speed (or not) would get a bit formulaic, but it'll be interesting to see
And yeah, if really would be. As mentioned, I think he'd be quite cross
I doubt this will happen, but interesting none-the-less.
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This talk about it being a Lower Decks like show reminds me it might be like that one TNG episode with those crew members. Forgotten which one. Think was itself called Lower Decks.
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Seriously, the ending of Voyager put a (!$%^ing stake in its heart. No creative wants to go anywhere near that radioactive crater.
You don't need to go near that crater to stay in the Prime Verse.
Advance the timeline a few decades or a century, and everything that happened in VOY is irrelevant, aside from the most abstract concepts.
There's a reason they keep backing up to when they hadn't run the ship up on to the rocks
All that will probably be present in some fashion, BUT...
We will also be seeing aspects of the Kelvin Timeline in the show as well.
How do I know that?
Because Mr. Bryan Fuller the Executive Producer of the show has said so.
He has also said emphatically, that Star Trek: Discovery IS SET IN THE PRIME UNIVERSE.
So, it's time to either "Let It Go" or "Move It On Up", because come next January, you're going to be hanging even farther out on that really thin branch that you are clinging to all by yourself.
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Since I do not play the game anyway, here it is for anyone who's fast enough to grab it:
"8NorwPi3" (REDEEMED)
p.s. comment after redeeming:)
Well that was unexpected
Turns out stalking the forums a hundred times a day on my day off pays off.
@ramin1990 you are an excellent human being.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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> ramin1990 wrote: »
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> I acquired Lootcrate recently & got free promo code for "Starfleet Admiral's Comission Pack".
> Since I do not play the game anyway, here it is for anyone who's fast enough to grab it:
> "8NorwPi3"
> p.s. comment after redeeming:)
>
>
>
>
> Well that was unexpected .
>
> Turns out stalking the forums a hundred times a day on my day off pays off.
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> @ramin1990 you are an excellent human being.
You are welcome:)
See you guys in other games.
Silmaril#2360
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Sure, sure, RMC meh.
More importantly
Wooo!
Today was a good day
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Oddly, that didn't seem to "implode all narrative tension forever."
My character Tsin'xing
Could the number of the USS Discovery NCC-1031, be an indicator that it could secretly be a Section-31 ship?
Fuller did mention that shady group in one of his interviews.
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Nope not on that kind of limb at all. No Kelvin in the show. And the Tech will be similar to used by the Enterprise series.
http://screenrant.com/star-trek-discovery-everything-we-know/
More like you will be Let Go or Move It On Up. Meanwhile, they will double dip into your wallet and you will still get to see commercials.
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Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
It really doesn't further your cause, nor does it make you right.
Also, you ignore everything else I said, but cling to the look of the thirty some-odd seconds of SPFx as your comeback...
(as well as your apparent mantra of the $6 fee)
Go ahead and keep swimming up that river, you're just drowning in your on foolishness.
smh
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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And if something pervasively bad had happened, you'd just go further back and fix it.
There are no unhappy endings save those the lords of time (and shoddy writing) allow.
Boring. As. ****.
Janeway's little (massive) violation gets a pass for some reason, presumably because Timefleet investigated alternate timelines and found out that if stymied, Mad Kathy screwed things up even worse.
http://www.idigitaltimes.com/star-trek-discovery-cast-captain-garth-izar-maniacal-white-dude-fits-facts-nicely-551002
I wonder, since Fuller has eliminated the actual "Battle of Axanar" time period rumor, perhaps we might see Captain Garth in the show in some manner anyway...?
(as the article suggests, in his later years)
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And it's getting kind of pathetic that in all of Trekdom nobody seems to think there's anything else Fuller could be referring to. Serious tunnel-vision. He must be just shaking his head.
As for the Garth of Izar speculation, if that does turn out to be true, I see Alec Peters stamping his feet and being very cross
BTW, it occurred to me while logging in earlier - the secondary hull isn't quite so flat, the saucer is bigger, and the wing-pylons extend forward (a bit) rather than backward, but there's a T6 Exploration Cruiser that looks an awful lot like the Discovery there. Just sayin'.
Yeah, there's definitely a few 'extra angles' on the Discovery than McQuarrie's concept...
I'm still of the opinion that the open-saucer of the Vengeance was based on this STO concept art by John Eaves...
Given that there was even promotional images of something similar:
I'm surprized that hasn't made a debut yet either (well, other than in my writing...
At first I kinda wondered about that myself, would something happen and the main character is forced to take command...
But after going back over Fuller's comments a couple of more times, it seems more likely that he really is planning on doing a kind of "Lower Decks" type of show, with the main character not really hanging out on the bridge all the time.
IMO, having Garth as the Captain of the ship, would be a lovely way for CBS to stick it to Mr. Peters though.
Essentially taking all the hype and using it to their advantage.
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
But I could be wrong and I might love it. Just from everything so far, it seems like they made a huge mistake putting it in Fullers hands.
But I could be wrong.
He's no slouch at creating popular TV shows and the talent he has hired so far to help him, have quite impressive backgrounds in both the Movie and Television industry.
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And yeah, if really would be. As mentioned, I think he'd be quite cross
http://www.blastr.com/2016-8-19/star-trek-discovery-have-we-already-met-main-character
I doubt this will happen, but interesting none-the-less.
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