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Someone suggested this to me a while back and I immediately sprayed holy water on him. But thinking on it, I'm wondering if it would actually prove popular in light of how many people a drawn in by JJ Trek. No idea whether this would impinge on the IP issue, it might well fall outside it.
In the Comet Arc, we have Bones and Scotty - voice obviously missing as both are no longer with us, and ditto likeness is quite far off like Worf's pre-VO when they got permission. Both positions could be filled by their JJ-Trek counterparts as, although many of us dispute JJ being "our" cannon, they are official representations of the young versions of these characters and for many people the actors who introduced us to them. The actors themselves might not be covered by the IP issue that things like uniform and ship designs are, so it might be perfectly possible - we have one JJ actor in game after all, albeit a different character.
Despite posting this, I'm not really convinced by it myself. Seems almost disrespectful. But I'm wondering what others think about how the old and new characters relate.
In the Comet Arc, we have Bones and Scotty - voice obviously missing as both are no longer with us, and ditto likeness is quite far off like Worf's pre-VO when they got permission. Both positions could be filled by their JJ-Trek counterparts as, although many of us dispute JJ being "our" cannon, they are official representations of the young versions of these characters and for many people the actors who introduced us to them. The actors themselves might not be covered by the IP issue that things like uniform and ship designs are, so it might be perfectly possible - we have one JJ actor in game after all, albeit a different character.
Despite posting this, I'm not really convinced by it myself. Seems almost disrespectful. But I'm wondering what others think about how the old and new characters relate.
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On the other hand, though, there's the "uncanny valley" to consider. The use of a Scotty actor that's not quite the classic Scotty might rub some hardcore Trekkies worse than having no voiceover at all. With no voiceover you can at least choose to hear the voice in your heard.
Personally, I'm neutral. It would be cool, but it wouldn't make or break the game for me.
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it would most certainly impinge, people ask for the jjcrapverse connie and vengence, neither of which are on the game, but you got ships similar to this in the game however. anything in those films owned by paramount, are property of paramount, it has nothing to do with CBS. in order to work something like that out, cbs and paramount need an agreement and that is something i dont see happening.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
sure if Doohan's son is interested and cryptic are willing to give a voice over, but karl urban is a no go.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
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OMG NO JJ UNIVERSE IS NOT A REPRESENTATION OF YOUNGER TOS CHARECTERS! Have you even read anything about that? JJ Trek has it's own and I may say BADLY done game. JJ Universe IS NOT an offical part of the TOS timeline it is a parrellel universe seperate from TOS/TNG/VOY/ENT/DS9 universe. So yeah 'nuff said.
paramount and cbs suing axanar has nothing to do with this, thats a filmsy diversion.
cryptic has a license to produce everything that CBS has on trek, not everything paramount has on trek, there is no agreement there and that is the point here even you are agreeing to.
what was, is not what is. Desilu created trek which was bought out by paramount and lasted until 2000 when viacom bought them out along with CBS, a few years later it all fell apart and CBS acquired everything that is trek from the past, from tos to enterprise and all films at the time, including nemesis a few years later. paramount still have some control over the trek, but only as far as future films go.
if CBS or paramount ever decide to cooperate on a new film, there will have to be talks with cryptic ovver what can and can not be done in any potential agreements.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I respectfully disagree. I doubt that Mr. Doohan would be upset about his child taking over his his iconic role after he has passed. That makes it a family-thing and different than an outright recasting.
And Urban rocked that McCoy part. I could forget that I wasn't watching Kelley. Mr. Urban went out of his way to do that role justice. That is more than just acting; that is honoring a fellow actor. Again, I think that could be overlooked because of the respect being shown by the new actor.
A discussion is one thing, an actual agreement that is officially endorsed by both side and is in the public knowledge is another entirely. you meant well with the comment, but without this hard fact contract, it wouldnt matter who said what, it is just speculation like any theory.
the new trek series is produced specifically by CBS, so there shouldnt be any significant hurdles for the Cryptic EP to jump through to reach a deal with CBS on new ships, weapons, uniforms, alien races and such. if there were between paramount and Cryptic EP, CBS would likely have to be involved because their IP rights are at stake as STO is mostly based on the prime universe and everything in it, it wouldnt serve Cryptic well if they basically made a backroom deal with Paramount without CBS being involved, it would create a crapstorm for no good reason.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
unfortunately if he has a contract with paramount as McCoy for another film at least, then it would be acting on behalf of the likeness of the alternative McCoy and it would legitimize paramount influence on STO. besides the alternative McCoy is based directly off Karl Urban, there is no escaping that when it comes to Paramount needing to protect its film rights including everything in it, this includes likeness.
its the same as if it was the jjprise trying to get on STO, CBS wouldnt allow it without a deal with paramount and cryptic would need to make a deal with both to make sure it is safely in the game.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
As for Urban's contract, I still find it hilarious when people argue passionately about something they know little to nothing about.
i would like to know where you got that bit of info from. source first...
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
you meesed up the quote there.
everything in these trek films is owned by paramount , everything seen, props, characters, storyline, it was all designed for the films.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
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Except what is derived from the TV series, which includes characters. It all depends on how the contract defines the IP. Don't forget that STO includes JJTrek plot point of the destruction of Vulcan and we have the red matter capacitor. Have you read the agreement? Got a background in copyright law? I'm not saying it is fine, I'm saying this is a possible grey area that is beyond our ability to say one way or another. As someone who works for a law firm and has a training in European law, grey areas are everywhere and only sometimes settled (usually with one party seeing what they can get away with and whether the other party complains / not doing what is probably okay because they don't want the hassle with the other party raising issue).
CBS Licenses all trek, movies or series. If you want to sell toys of the JJverse movies, you license them from CBS Consumer products.
Two things that don't really matter, both Paramount and CBS are owned by the same company, and Karl Urban rocked the part of Dr. Mcoy.