Heh...
A few folks would probably do poo in their pants.
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Maybe buy some dil. I use my dil for upgrading alts and for fleet projects not buying zen, so Admiralty and dil weekends spiking the price doesn't affect me.
the zen exchange finally hit the cap of 500 dil per zen...and then they increased the cap to 1k?
Just curious
Actually, if people got their wish of an increase in the refining cap, then it really would spiral out of control. There's no real Dil sink at the moment, so people aren't buying Dil with Zen as much, and on top of that, there is more Dil out there due to the increased ease at which you can hit your daily cap of 8k. Those are the 2 reasons why it's increasing. Ah the days of 90 Dil to 1 Zen
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the zen exchange finally hit the cap of 500 dil per zen...and then they increased the cap to 1k?
Just curious
Actually, if people got their wish of an increase in the refining cap, then it really would spiral out of control. There's no real Dil sink at the moment, so people aren't buying Dil with Zen as much, and on top of that, there is more Dil out there due to the increased ease at which you can hit your daily cap of 8k. Those are the 2 reasons why it's increasing. Ah the days of 90 Dil to 1 Zen
If fleet projects are not dilithium sinks, then I dunno what they are,
If gear upgrading (with exception to omega tech upgrades and that FE weekly tech upgrade) isn't dilithium sink, then I dunno what it can be called,
if dilithium shop is not dilithium sink... well you get the drift I think.
But the actuall issue lies totally elsewere and actually increasing dilithium refining cap won;t change it much - as the cap is were it is the dilithium price won't go any higher.
The actuall issue lies in outdated Dilithium design - Lets be honest - Dilithium is in this game for the sake of a time-gating andit was thrown everywhere to forcefully slow players progress, so they won't get things too fast. Dilithium exchange back in the old days was primarily a way to pay throught the time gating.
This design could of course still hold its right and meet their use if not one thing the cryptic have done over the last years....
Zenships
existance of high-end game ships obtainable mainly by zen is throwing off that old and flawed system out of balance extremely - it's reversing primary role of exchange from paying through time-gates into obtaining zen, and there is alot of more people wanting to sell their dilithium for zen than wanting to buy dilithium with their zen - as everyone and their mothers wants at least some of those ships, and there isn't much of folks that wants to skip time gates - without enought of new players, there will be less and less as the people wil lgrind throught the tiem gates, eventually all of us will see the point at which there will be no time gates to be payed through....
so right now either whole dilithium system has to be revamped to accomodate existence of zenships, or zenships should be moved into dilithium store to accomodate into old system properly
TL:DR
the issue lies in increase of people wanting to sell all their dilithium to get ships for zen, and major decrease in people wishing selling their zen, because the major role of dilithium exchange was reversed, with introduction of zenstore ships
the zen exchange finally hit the cap of 500 dil per zen...and then they increased the cap to 1k?
Just curious
Actually, if people got their wish of an increase in the refining cap, then it really would spiral out of control. There's no real Dil sink at the moment, so people aren't buying Dil with Zen as much, and on top of that, there is more Dil out there due to the increased ease at which you can hit your daily cap of 8k. Those are the 2 reasons why it's increasing. Ah the days of 90 Dil to 1 Zen
If fleet projects are not dilithium sinks, then I dunno what they are,
If gear upgrading (with exception to omega tech upgrades and that FE weekly tech upgrade) isn't dilithium sink, then I dunno what it can be called,
if dilithium shop is not dilithium sink... well you get the drift I think.
You need a sink large enough for the influx of Dilithium. It doesn't seem it currently is. The two fleets I am in already completed the Research Labs projects, and we recently also finished the Starbase on the second (the other had it done years ago). So there isn't that much sink anymore.
The Dilithium Store doesn't actually provide much value in items. It's all Mark XII, and there are fleet and reputation items. Of course, those need Dilithium. But Reputations also grant Dilithium, so the effect of that sink is reduced (but not negated).
It seems to me that a new character these days can get all the Dilithium he needs during normal levelling and finishing the reputations. (He can't get all the Dilithium Rep Gear, of course, but if he picks one set he wants, he'll have more than enough.)
I guess we need a new killer feature that needs Dilithium. Say, á la carte Crafting? Produce special upgrade kits that are guaranteed to add particular mods to items? Mark XIV Dilithium Store Items?
But maybe Crpytic wants a high cost for Zen on the Exchange? They seem to accept it in Neverwinter for the equivalent mechanic.
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If people keep on blaming that there is no Dil sink to the uprising price of Dil to Zen then in deed this game is about to go back to the time that made them change from pure subs to F2P.
Lets not have any debate as to why they moved to an F2P mechanic because I think we all practically know why it had to happen. But I assure you unless you're a hard Trek fan I don't think you would be staying for that long.
Yeah you can get many Dils. But you can only refine a limited amount each day. That's one of the problem.
Saying "You can farm from alts and a 4 alt produces 32k a day". That's good and all but have anyone actually thought that Not Everyone is willing to grind 3 additional alts? What works for you doesn't mean it can work for others as well as we all live different lives and under different circumstances. Trying to make people do what worked for you may backfire and would not generally work for everyone. If it that was the situation then everyone in the world could have been rich, get my drift?
They keep saying it will go down. In reality it wont. Once it sinks to people's minds that there are people willing to buy Zen on the price they are asking then that's it. That price would stuck and can only grow more Further.
And without any other actual attraction for this game such as a competent PvP system then expect that population would spiral down.
Heck even some Subs that already quit before just came back because the new F2P re-introduced more people to the game. Thus more people to play with. In a way this game is running because f the balance that was in there before. But now that balance is threatened and the ones going to pay the price are the newbies.
These are no mere speculations. I've played MMO's that went from Subs to F2P because seriously even with all the bravado of some Sub elitist they really can't sustain the game themselves.
And before throwing in games Such as EVE Online, I came from that game and I know that it introduced a way for f2p's, well in a way access to the game via 2 things:
1. The Buddy or Free trial.
2. 2 The introduction of PLEX.
It worked well for EVE because as much as the game is enticed with Griefing, Drama and Lots and Lots of controversies, that game has a solid community, well sometimes too solid that causes drama though. Seriously if it wasn't for the Greifing and the Drama I wouldn't have left the game.
One way or another the Rise on the Price of exchange would eventually hurt the game and that is something that isn't fixable but would stick to people and would leave a bad after taste.
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A few folks would probably do poo in their pants.
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
I'm not completely heartless...
Stop using the exchange then sit back and watch it collapse like Wall Street.
Actually, if people got their wish of an increase in the refining cap, then it really would spiral out of control. There's no real Dil sink at the moment, so people aren't buying Dil with Zen as much, and on top of that, there is more Dil out there due to the increased ease at which you can hit your daily cap of 8k. Those are the 2 reasons why it's increasing. Ah the days of 90 Dil to 1 Zen
If fleet projects are not dilithium sinks, then I dunno what they are,
If gear upgrading (with exception to omega tech upgrades and that FE weekly tech upgrade) isn't dilithium sink, then I dunno what it can be called,
if dilithium shop is not dilithium sink... well you get the drift I think.
But the actuall issue lies totally elsewere and actually increasing dilithium refining cap won;t change it much - as the cap is were it is the dilithium price won't go any higher.
The actuall issue lies in outdated Dilithium design - Lets be honest - Dilithium is in this game for the sake of a time-gating andit was thrown everywhere to forcefully slow players progress, so they won't get things too fast. Dilithium exchange back in the old days was primarily a way to pay throught the time gating.
This design could of course still hold its right and meet their use if not one thing the cryptic have done over the last years....
Zenships
existance of high-end game ships obtainable mainly by zen is throwing off that old and flawed system out of balance extremely - it's reversing primary role of exchange from paying through time-gates into obtaining zen, and there is alot of more people wanting to sell their dilithium for zen than wanting to buy dilithium with their zen - as everyone and their mothers wants at least some of those ships, and there isn't much of folks that wants to skip time gates - without enought of new players, there will be less and less as the people wil lgrind throught the tiem gates, eventually all of us will see the point at which there will be no time gates to be payed through....
so right now either whole dilithium system has to be revamped to accomodate existence of zenships, or zenships should be moved into dilithium store to accomodate into old system properly
TL:DR
the issue lies in increase of people wanting to sell all their dilithium to get ships for zen, and major decrease in people wishing selling their zen, because the major role of dilithium exchange was reversed, with introduction of zenstore ships
The Dilithium Store doesn't actually provide much value in items. It's all Mark XII, and there are fleet and reputation items. Of course, those need Dilithium. But Reputations also grant Dilithium, so the effect of that sink is reduced (but not negated).
It seems to me that a new character these days can get all the Dilithium he needs during normal levelling and finishing the reputations. (He can't get all the Dilithium Rep Gear, of course, but if he picks one set he wants, he'll have more than enough.)
I guess we need a new killer feature that needs Dilithium. Say, á la carte Crafting? Produce special upgrade kits that are guaranteed to add particular mods to items? Mark XIV Dilithium Store Items?
But maybe Crpytic wants a high cost for Zen on the Exchange? They seem to accept it in Neverwinter for the equivalent mechanic.
Lets not have any debate as to why they moved to an F2P mechanic because I think we all practically know why it had to happen. But I assure you unless you're a hard Trek fan I don't think you would be staying for that long.
Yeah you can get many Dils. But you can only refine a limited amount each day. That's one of the problem.
Saying "You can farm from alts and a 4 alt produces 32k a day". That's good and all but have anyone actually thought that Not Everyone is willing to grind 3 additional alts? What works for you doesn't mean it can work for others as well as we all live different lives and under different circumstances. Trying to make people do what worked for you may backfire and would not generally work for everyone. If it that was the situation then everyone in the world could have been rich, get my drift?
They keep saying it will go down. In reality it wont. Once it sinks to people's minds that there are people willing to buy Zen on the price they are asking then that's it. That price would stuck and can only grow more Further.
And without any other actual attraction for this game such as a competent PvP system then expect that population would spiral down.
Heck even some Subs that already quit before just came back because the new F2P re-introduced more people to the game. Thus more people to play with. In a way this game is running because f the balance that was in there before. But now that balance is threatened and the ones going to pay the price are the newbies.
These are no mere speculations. I've played MMO's that went from Subs to F2P because seriously even with all the bravado of some Sub elitist they really can't sustain the game themselves.
And before throwing in games Such as EVE Online, I came from that game and I know that it introduced a way for f2p's, well in a way access to the game via 2 things:
1. The Buddy or Free trial.
2. 2 The introduction of PLEX.
It worked well for EVE because as much as the game is enticed with Griefing, Drama and Lots and Lots of controversies, that game has a solid community, well sometimes too solid that causes drama though. Seriously if it wasn't for the Greifing and the Drama I wouldn't have left the game.
One way or another the Rise on the Price of exchange would eventually hurt the game and that is something that isn't fixable but would stick to people and would leave a bad after taste.
So would I.