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Hey Cryptic you might want to take a look Fed leveling ?

Leveling Fed is a hell, did klingon before the Fed you even were Lower Admiral before the mission Paradise Lost. After that did a romulan and same story. Now doing a Fed just became Captain before I hit Paradise Lost and before you start at it I did all the patroll misions....
Without the patrol mission you running around as a commander. So is leveling a Fed realy that worse or is it just me and am I doing something wrong ??
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  • samt1996samt1996 Member Posts: 2,856 Arc User
    Been a long time since I leveled a character... they did revamp the cardassion arc recently and cut the number of mission significantly.
  • irm1963irm1963 Member Posts: 682 Arc User
    Klingons have five episode arcs before Wasteland, Romulans have three, Federation characters have one. Want to hazard a guess as to which is going to be at a higher level ?
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    Never had a problem with Fed levelling. Though there is only one Arc, remember for the Delta Recruit Event, if a Fed completed it the award was almost eight times the normal Arc (4 million EC vs. 500k EC). The Arc was very long comparatively.

    Doffing can get you over half a level with one complete 'bank' of 20 Assignments. Each Episode would almost get you a Level. The thirties are fast. I have had it where I got to 50 sometime into the Wastelands, and others into the Cardassian Arc. Probably depends on XP Bonuses.
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  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,540 Arc User
    Last Fed I leveled up was my Delta Retread. Until I got a lot further along in the progression, I was achieving a level per mission. But I do things different anyways. All those Patrol Missions all over the place in the Beta Quadrant meant I was able to get most of the way to the next level prior to starting the next storyline mission. I also tried hard to be above the minimum required to play the mission. A Fed Mission which was a bit difficult as a Commander was only very slightly challenging when I had the resources available to a Captain.

    Since this was the third or fourth time I was leveling a Fed char and it had been a long time since I had previously done so, I was not in a hurry once the Delta Recruit Event was over. I was able to go from 50 to 55 with just DOffing. Of course I wasn't trying to power level at this point. I was achieving a level every two or three days depending on the DOff mission rewards.

    Some people who play this game can level a Fed char to sixty in a weekend. Thankfully for both my sanity and my patience I am not one of those people. lol
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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,343 Arc User
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    Leveling Fed is a hell, did klingon before the Fed you even were Lower Admiral before the mission Paradise Lost. After that did a romulan and same story. Now doing a Fed just became Captain before I hit Paradise Lost and before you start at it I did all the patroll misions....
    Without the patrol mission you running around as a commander. So is leveling a Fed realy that worse or is it just me and am I doing something wrong ??

    Sorry, it is you. Levelled a new Fed alt to 60 in 3 weeks without any problem. Run SB24 solo if you want a quickish XP boost at early levels.
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    Ok normal without boost Fed is just slow at leveling.... take this senario, after the turtorials missions, my fed was at lvl Luitenant 4, my Klingon was at Luitenant 6 and my romulan also at lvl 6. thats what I meant to say but after that Rom and KDF are prety fast in getting to LTC and Fed has to do some missions and hit LTC when starting the Skirmish mission... At that same mission the ROM and KDF are allready Comander or even Captain...
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  • fraghul2000fraghul2000 Member Posts: 1,590 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    So is leveling a Fed realy that worse or is it just me and am I doing something wrong ??

    Levelling really is bad for Feds. There are quite a few instances, where you'll be left without missions, as you're still to low to start the next one and - what's even worse - there is nothing to guide you on what to do next. For example, while levelling normally, without having skill boosts or an XP-weekend, I reached Level 8 after finishing "Task Force Hippocrates". The next mission in the arc, "Skirmish", doesn't start until Level 11, neither does doffing, and there is no "wrapper mission" to guide you towards patrols, the old exploration missions don't exist anymore and the XP for replaying episodes is negligble.

    Sure it's easy for me and anyone else who has played for a few years and is levelling alt #10, to simply send a character 100 million EC and buy him gear, skill boosts and a roster of purple doffs to quickly bridge those gaps, but for players who are new to the game, who don't have the rescources, it can be a huge pain in the TRIBBLE and frustrating.

  • twg042370twg042370 Member Posts: 2,312 Arc User
    Feds do have minor XP gaps just before levels 10 and 20.

    I think it's well worth bringing back "Where's Sulu?" so newbies will know to do the patrols... Which need a minor reward boost on top of that.
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  • ultimatenewbieultimatenewbie Member Posts: 269 Arc User
    twg042370 wrote: »
    Feds do have minor XP gaps just before levels 10 and 20.

    I think it's well worth bringing back "Where's Sulu?" so newbies will know to do the patrols... Which need a minor reward boost on top of that.

    Yes, I agree. This should be very clearly explained and made automatic whenever char level < next mission min level. A pop-up with Sulu (or whomever) should come up that says something to the effect that "The Admiral has further missions in mind for you but considers you need more combat and diplomatic experience before assigning you to these missions. Go to XYZ place and do ABC" (which are essentially patrol missions).
  • ultimatenewbieultimatenewbie Member Posts: 269 Arc User
    When I started over 5 years ago it took me 6 months to get to level 51 as it was then, by the time I got to Captain we had a party in Club 47 with friends to celebrate. Today I can level a toon in a weekend if I so desired and in a week that toon will be at level 60. So if anything levelling in this game is ridiculously fast. We have level 60 people in our fleet that only started within the last month and have no idea how to build anything that pumps out more than 5K dps, don't understand how science works, no idea about skills, no idea about SROs etc.

    So my recommendation would be to drastically slow down levelling by awarding half the XP from each mission and doubling the number of missions. Many of these new missions should be tutorial missions explaining how to build via means of an interesting story, so that by the time captains are at level 60 they may stand a change at running a KSA without popping every two minutes. The game is severely lacking in explanatory missions other than in the actual tutorial, there are of course a ton of youtube videos which are devoted to explaining the game but I believe this should be done in-game not away from it. In the meantime here are a few tutorial videos done for our fleet for those that are interested.

    http://srs-fleet.net/html/tutorials.html


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  • kontarnuskontarnus Member Posts: 289 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    When I started over 5 years ago it took me 6 months to get to level 51 as it was then, by the time I got to Captain we had a party in Club 47 with friends to celebrate. Today I can level a toon in a weekend if I so desired and in a week that toon will be at level 60. So if anything levelling in this game is ridiculously fast. We have level 60 people in our fleet that only started within the last month and have no idea how to build anything that pumps out more than 5K dps, don't understand how science works, no idea about skills, no idea about SROs etc.

    So my recommendation would be to drastically slow down levelling by awarding half the XP from each mission and doubling the number of missions. Many of these new missions should be tutorial missions explaining how to build via means of an interesting story, so that by the time captains are at level 60 they may stand a change at running a KSA without popping every two minutes. The game is severely lacking in explanatory missions other than in the actual tutorial, there are of course a ton of youtube videos which are devoted to explaining the game but I believe this should be done in-game not away from it. In the meantime here are a few tutorial videos done for our fleet for those that are interested.

    http://srs-fleet.net/html/tutorials.html

    I'd like to say that is a good idea, but tutorial pop ups are annoying, in any game, even if you are new to it.

    To the OP: Leveling is easier on Klingons and Romulans as an incentive to get more people to play characters of those species. That being said, leveling as a Fed, at this point in the history of STO is insanely easy. If you're 'following-the-program', playing through all the episode arcs, you should be well past lvl 50 and at least approaching lvl 60. After that, you've got some work to do to get spec trees filled out. Don't expect them to hand you awesomeness, just because.
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  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    Between begining true lvl 30 takes far to long with Fed ....
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  • bejaymacbejaymac Member Posts: 448 Arc User
    It's easy to level a Rom or KDF by playing nothing but the story missions (no replays), the level requirements are set up so you are always ahead of it.

    Fed's however can't as their story level requirements are all over the place, you run into a gap between missions at level 9 with the next mission being level 11, basically each arc hasn't been calculated properly.

    The new Cardassian arc requires you to be level 35 but doesn't give you enough XP to get to level 42 to start Second wave, yet neither Rom nor KDF have that issue as their requirements for all of the Cardassian/Dominion missions is 35.​​
  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    bejaymac wrote: »
    It's easy to level a Rom or KDF by playing nothing but the story missions (no replays), the level requirements are set up so you are always ahead of it.

    Fed's however can't as their story level requirements are all over the place, you run into a gap between missions at level 9 with the next mission being level 11, basically each arc hasn't been calculated properly.

    The new Cardassian arc requires you to be level 35 but doesn't give you enough XP to get to level 42 to start Second wave, yet neither Rom nor KDF have that issue as their requirements for all of the Cardassian/Dominion missions is 35.​​

    Correct I have this problem also with my other fed
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  • ktyrrellktyrrell Member Posts: 261 Arc User
    I still remember the days we had hourly bonuses and the Mirror Incursion Mission, that was the fast track to max level.
    If you really are missing some exp, do some regular doffing, that should help (if you don't do so already)
  • samt1996samt1996 Member Posts: 2,856 Arc User
    I REALLY like the idea of the early missions teaching new players more about building different types of ships. For example three different missions with each having them use a premade ship/build that explains how to use it. Like one mission requires them to tank, one requires them to do high DPS and another needs science powers etc.

    This would be a massive QOL improvement and might jump the games rating up a few stars.
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,343 Arc User
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    bejaymac wrote: »
    It's easy to level a Rom or KDF by playing nothing but the story missions (no replays), the level requirements are set up so you are always ahead of it.

    Fed's however can't as their story level requirements are all over the place, you run into a gap between missions at level 9 with the next mission being level 11, basically each arc hasn't been calculated properly.

    The new Cardassian arc requires you to be level 35 but doesn't give you enough XP to get to level 42 to start Second wave, yet neither Rom nor KDF have that issue as their requirements for all of the Cardassian/Dominion missions is 35.​​

    Correct I have this problem also with my other fed

    I have 4 Fed, 2 KDF and 2 Rom (1 Fed and 1 KDF), and I have always found Fed levelling way easier than KDF or Rom. I don't mean to insult you, but you seem to be under the impression that if you're not level 60 with-in a week, then it's too slow. The main issue is that levelling is INSANELY FAST! Getting to level 60... 3-4 weeks. Maxing Specializations....3 months. Sorry, but becoming a Fleet Admiral with only a few weeks experience in game is wrong. It should take at least 3 months to hit level 60 with some daily play (2-4 hours a day). It's the equivalent in game of giving someone a Black Belt in Martial Arts after only a year of training (with no experience), when it actually takes 4-5 years to make a decent Black Belt.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,512 Arc User
    I didn't have any leveling issues with my new Fed science captain, but I get the 5% LTS XP boost. I just reached 47 at the end of the Romulan arc with light doffing of the crafting mats science / exploration missions.

    So I'd guess if they boosted episode and combat XP by about 5% it would be solved.
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