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Could the Borg assimilate the xenomorph from the Alien movies?

theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,986 Arc User
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Hypothetical question here,
Could the Borg assimilate this species?
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      jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
      yes if they introduced the borg nano virus into nthe xenos blood stream it would assimilate, sure some nanites would be destroyed by the acidic blood but the rest would adapt and contniue the assimilation process.
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      ravenbrightravenbright Member Posts: 20 Arc User
      heh, I'd almost like to see theborg try

      But ultimately, bad idea, because if they manage it.... yikes! :#
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      marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
      Personally, I think the Xenomorph's blood would destroy the nanoprobes before assimilation or any kind of adaptation could take place. So far as we know, the nanoprobes themselves do not have shielding technology (if they did, it would negate their ability to interface with the victim's biology) so I don't think they'd be able to make the adaptation. The potency of Xenomorph blood against metals and other substances in unquestionable, so I think that would constitute a natural defence. Now, would a drone have the physical strength to kill a Xenomorph? I believe so...

      So, I don't think they could overcome via assimilation, but they couldn't do that with Undine either, so they just went down the eradication route, and I suspect that would be their reaction to a Xenomorph infestation...
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      markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
      then the Borg invent nanoprobes that don't dissolve in Xenomorph blood.

      Yes it's possible. The Yautja developed metal blades like that.
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      marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
      markhawkman wrote: »
      then the Borg invent nanoprobes that don't dissolve in Xenomorph blood.

      Yes it's possible. The Yautja developed metal blades like that.
      That's true, I'd forgotten about those... Although thinking about it, does make me consider this point: Would the Borg even bother trying to assimilate them? Xenomorphs are essentially animals (albeit rather intelligent ones) They are an apex predator, without question, but they don't have native technology, their organizational structure is somewhat hive-like, and acidic blood aside, biologically speaking, they don't really offer anything which the Collective could/would require, which it doesn't already accomplish technologically... I suspect the Collective would deem them 'unworthy of assimilation' and simply eradicate any encountered...
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      rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,018 Community Moderator
      I'd have to agree. There would be no incentive to assimilate Xenomorphs. The Borg would gain nothing from them. And if the Borg were fighting Xenomorphs, unless they resort to orbital bombardment, Xenomorphs would win due to being faster and not relying on energy weapons. The Borg can't adapt to claws, teeth, and tail impailment. Oh... and Acid. Can't forget the Acid.
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      markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
      Or maybe the Borg would turn them into remove controlled weapons that they would use as infantry?
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      lazarus51166lazarus51166 Member Posts: 646 Arc User
      The better question is: how can the Borg assimilate a Breen? After all, they don't have blood, so what would the mechanism of action be?
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      rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,018 Community Moderator
      What makes you think the Breen have no blood? We've never seen one outside of their suits before.
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      marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
      markhawkman wrote: »
      Or maybe the Borg would turn them into remove controlled weapons that they would use as infantry?
      Unlikely, because the Collective does not think in such individualistic terms. They don't seek to 'defeat an enemy', they seek to assimilate resources, to eradicate threats (such as the Undine) and ignore anything unworthy of assimilation or incapable of posing a threat (such as the Kazon) Having specialised drones/ships may 'work well'* from a narrative point of view, but it's not what the Borg were about.

      *I question if it does work well from a narrative perspective, because it is altering the nature of the Borg to try and fit plot requirement, rather than having the plot react to the Borg as they were intended, and IMHO, that is sloppy writing...
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      grylakgrylak Member Posts: 1,594 Arc User
      TNG Borg may try. After all, they wanted to elevate all lower lifeforms into a higher state of being. A corrupted twisted version of the Federation. That was the original vision of them.

      Voyager Borg wouldn't bother assimilating them, as they add nothing to perfection. Except maybe their hard shell skins as new armour.
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      marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
      grylak wrote: »
      TNG Borg may try. After all, they wanted to elevate all lower lifeforms into a higher state of being. A corrupted twisted version of the Federation. That was the original vision of them.

      Voyager Borg wouldn't bother assimilating them, as they add nothing to perfection. Except maybe their hard shell skins as new armour.
      Yes, but I believe they only applied that premise to sentient lifeforms, not animals, and Xenomorphs are animals, albeit very clever ones, hence why I believe the Collective would either ignore them, or eradicate them where encontered...

      Xenomorph shells aren't puncture resistant though... I don't think they would qualify as an option for new armor, simply because that can be obtained more efficiently, through better materials in the exoplating, or through forcefields... They would literally add nothing to the Borg's existing perfection...
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      grylakgrylak Member Posts: 1,594 Arc User
      Unfortunately, that premise was never used enough so although it makes sense for it to be only sentient lifeforms, part of me wishes it includes ALL lifeforms. Could you imagine an assimilated clownfish, or a Borg eagle flying around?


      Yeah, I may have overestimated the toughness of their skins. Eh, it's been a while since I saw any of the Alien films.
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      admiralnatadmiralnat Member Posts: 22,432 Arc User
      grylak wrote: »
      Unfortunately, that premise was never used enough so although it makes sense for it to be only sentient lifeforms, part of me wishes it includes ALL lifeforms. Could you imagine an assimilated clownfish, or a Borg eagle flying around?

      Borg plants and Tribbles, perhaps? :p
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      theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,986 Arc User
      An assimilated Xenomorph hive would be terrifying, the warriors would make very fast and very dangerous tactical drones
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        marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
        grylak wrote: »
        Unfortunately, that premise was never used enough so although it makes sense for it to be only sentient lifeforms, part of me wishes it includes ALL lifeforms. Could you imagine an assimilated clownfish, or a Borg eagle flying around?


        Yeah, I may have overestimated the toughness of their skins. Eh, it's been a while since I saw any of the Alien films.
        In the Shatnerverse novel The Return, there was an assimilated dog, which was a roving drone of sorts, but with regards TV/Film canon, assimilation has only involved sentient species, and, thanks to the comments in Voyager, some were even considered unworthy of assimilation, implying that there is a threshold for an individual/species to reach to be deemed worthy ;)

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        rickdias5500rickdias5500 Member Posts: 95 Arc User
        Why?
        You need to do your homework on the Borg.
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        mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
        theraven2378 wrote: »
        Hypothetical question here,
        Could the Borg assimilate this species?
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        i am certain the borg will find a way around the xenomorphs biological makeup the facehugger stage, the acidic blood, that is not there at that stage, meaning the borg could completely change the lifeform and turn it into a biological weapon of terror. when the alien creature spawns its acidic compound is still very acidic but adjusted so the borg implants survive.
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        grylakgrylak Member Posts: 1,594 Arc User
        marcusdkane wrote: »
        grylak wrote: »
        Unfortunately, that premise was never used enough so although it makes sense for it to be only sentient lifeforms, part of me wishes it includes ALL lifeforms. Could you imagine an assimilated clownfish, or a Borg eagle flying around?


        Yeah, I may have overestimated the toughness of their skins. Eh, it's been a while since I saw any of the Alien films.
        In the Shatnerverse novel The Return, there was an assimilated dog, which was a roving drone of sorts, but with regards TV/Film canon, assimilation has only involved sentient species, and, thanks to the comments in Voyager, some were even considered unworthy of assimilation, implying that there is a threshold for an individual/species to reach to be deemed worthy ;)


        Just another reason why I prefer the TNG Borg over the Voyager Borg.
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        khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,007 Arc User
        mirrorchaos wrote: »
        theraven2378 wrote: »
        Hypothetical question here,
        Could the Borg assimilate this species?
        latest?cb=20150803082351

        i am certain the borg will find a way around the xenomorphs biological makeup the facehugger stage, the acidic blood, that is not there at that stage, meaning the borg could completely change the lifeform and turn it into a biological weapon of terror. when the alien creature spawns its acidic compound is still very acidic but adjusted so the borg implants survive.

        actually the acid blood is at the face hugger stage. Go back and watch Alien. When they try to cut the thing of the guy's face it's blood burns through several decks of the ship.
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        theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,986 Arc User
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        mirrorchaos wrote: »
        theraven2378 wrote: »
        Hypothetical question here,
        Could the Borg assimilate this species?
        latest?cb=20150803082351

        i am certain the borg will find a way around the xenomorphs biological makeup the facehugger stage, the acidic blood, that is not there at that stage, meaning the borg could completely change the lifeform and turn it into a biological weapon of terror. when the alien creature spawns its acidic compound is still very acidic but adjusted so the borg implants survive.

        Only way the Borg could add their assimilation nanites would be at the egg stage, the gestation period does the rest, but they would have to get past the warriors that protect the queen and the egg hatchery first
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          grylakgrylak Member Posts: 1,594 Arc User
          What if they assimilate someone who's been face hugged but not had the chestburster burst out yet? The alien embryo could get some nanoprobes in it while still in the early development phase. And then have a fully assimilated Xenomorph burst out of a fully assimilated person.
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          marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
          grylak wrote: »
          marcusdkane wrote: »
          grylak wrote: »
          Unfortunately, that premise was never used enough so although it makes sense for it to be only sentient lifeforms, part of me wishes it includes ALL lifeforms. Could you imagine an assimilated clownfish, or a Borg eagle flying around?


          Yeah, I may have overestimated the toughness of their skins. Eh, it's been a while since I saw any of the Alien films.
          In the Shatnerverse novel The Return, there was an assimilated dog, which was a roving drone of sorts, but with regards TV/Film canon, assimilation has only involved sentient species, and, thanks to the comments in Voyager, some were even considered unworthy of assimilation, implying that there is a threshold for an individual/species to reach to be deemed worthy ;)


          Just another reason why I prefer the TNG Borg over the Voyager Borg.
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          rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,018 Community Moderator
          khan5000 wrote: »
          actually the acid blood is at the face hugger stage. Go back and watch Alien. When they try to cut the thing of the guy's face it's blood burns through several decks of the ship.

          Nope. ALL Xenomorphs have acidic blood. And they are shown to be aware of that fact. In the movie Aliens vs Predator, Grid and several drones actually attacked the imprisoned Queen so that they could draw blood to burn her out of the chains. Also in the same movie Scar, the hero Predator, demonstrated the Xenomorph's acidic blood to Alexa Woods after removing the dead creature's head carapis for a shield for her by squeezing a severed finger to drip blood on the carapis, then onto the floor, which instantly started dissolving due to blood.

          Another source is in Aliens, where one of the Marines actually shoves a 12 gage shotgun in the mouth of one of the Xenos, and gets burned by the blood after pulling the trigger.

          http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Xenomorph_blood
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          has an assimilated bolian ever been seen or mentioned in trek canon? they have acidic blood too, and if the borg can assimilate THEM, a xenomorph is no issue​​
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          theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,986 Arc User
          shadowfang240 wrote: »
          has an assimilated bolian ever been seen or mentioned in trek canon? they have acidic blood too, and if the borg can assimilate THEM, a xenomorph is no issue​​

          There are a few assimilated Bolians in First Contact
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            rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,018 Community Moderator
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            Was it confirmed in canon that Bolians have acidic blood? And is it as potent as Xenomorph blood?
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            legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan
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            well, i thought it was, but the MA article on bolians doesn't actually say outright their blood is acidic...though i could swear i remember someone somewhere in DS9 or voyager saying that bolian blood is corrosive​​
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            rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,018 Community Moderator
            Maybe, but if true is it corrosive to the same extent as Xenomorph blood?
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