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[PODCAST] Tribbles in Ecstasy Take 187: "Preview of Tomorrow"

midniteshadow7midniteshadow7 Member Posts: 787 Arc User
Tribbles in Ecstasy Take 187: "Preview of Tomorrow" has been published on Holosuite Media, you can download and stream it from: http://bit.ly/1VwUi8a

Captain MidNite Shadow leads the rest of the USS Tribble crew in discussions about all the news from Star Trek Online and Star Trek.

In this week's episode the Tribbles crew discuss:
  • the new Role Playing Blog,
  • Admiralty system,
  • Design Your Ship contest,
  • Terran Task Force Reputation,
  • Chase Masterson Interview,
  • STO Release Notes,
  • Internity,
  • 5th Passenger,
  • Star Trek Anthology,
  • Star Trek Beyond,
  • Redshirt Diaries,
  • Star Trek: Captain Pike,
  • and more!

Comment on this post to give us your thoughts on anything we have discussed on the show.

Please help friend of the show and fellow Star Trek Online player and podcaster Mav with donations to support his recovery with his current health situation here: http://www.gofundme.com/tomsrecovery.

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  • sunseahlsunseahl Member Posts: 827 Arc User
    Well what can I say.... I'm actually fairly surprised they DID give us a three pack.... AND they updated both the Gumby and the Hakonna to MATCH the Gal-x.

    I'm actually sort of impressed.

    First Rommy vessel with a Plasma lance too... nice to see it not on the Gasko-type station anymore.​​
    Member of the "Disenchanted"
    We don't want what the Feds have. We want the equivalent. We want fairer treatment. Concern, desire, greed to some extent, and passionate belief that the enough people would buy KDF items to make it worth Cryptic's while.
  • sistericsisteric Member Posts: 768 Arc User
    I told ya' that they would do this. I expect them to do more of this a time progresses. The experimentation done on Feds but then reskinned/duplicated for Klingons and Romulans.
    Federation: Fleet Admiral Zombee (Alien Tactical)::Fleet Admiral Danic (Vulcan Science)::Fleet Admiral Daniel Kochheiser (Human Engineer)
    KDF: Dahar Master Kan (Borg Klingon Tactical)::Dahar Master Torc (Alien Science)::Dahar Master Sisteric (Gorn Engineer)
    RR-Fed: Citizen Sirroc (Romulan Science)::Fleet Admiral Grell (Alien Engineer)
    RR-KDF: Fleet Admiral Zemo (Reman Tactical)::Fleet Admiral Xinatek (Reman Science)::Fleet Admiral Bel (Alien Engineer)
    TOS-Fed: Fleet Admiral Katem (Andorian Tactical)::Lieutenant Commander Straad (Vulcan Engineer)
    Dom-Fed: Dan'Tar (Jem'Hadar Science)
    Dom-KDF: Kamtana'Solan (Jem'Hadar Science)

    CoHost of Tribbles in Ecstasy (Zombee)
  • alex1geralex1ger Member Posts: 141 Arc User
    War blog #23 and the end of midnight:
    I have not seen Tuvok at Starfleet Academy, yet. On top of that, I have seen neither Seven of Nine nor Lt. Cmdr. Kyla VanZyl. And I bet all three of them would have had enough common sense to take Sela into custody or at least have a security detail "escort" her. Unlike those four morons who did show up and who obviously won their captaincies in the lottery.
    Although... Kagran probably initiated the "celebration" to distract everybody to allow Sela to get away. I mean, she did not shoot him on Iconia when she had the chance. Why would she let a klingon (of all people) stop her from getting the revenge she was hell-bent on? There is obviously something going on. (Or maybe it's really just a plothole and I'm giving Cryptic way too much credit...)



    "We have people scream at us."
    Oh sunseahl... I have not screamed at you. Yet. But since we're having this discussion again... I'm trying to understand the problem, but you're still not giving me that much to work with. I mean, you and dragon like to point out how much Cryptic ignores the KDF and the Rom Rep.
    Now tell me: What exactly do you want Cryptic to do? You mentioned the "bad klingon writing", is that it and if not what else do you want to see "fixed"?
    And... what did you hate so much about the klingon starting experience? I mean, you called it "bad klingon writing" with romulans and dishonorable klingons. Okay, fine, but that is actually canon.
    No, seriously. It's basically a retelling of the klingon civil war that happened in TNG. But this time around we (the players) manage to stop it before it can erupt into an actual civil war. So you could call them out on retelling a canon story on a smaller scale and from a slightly different angle, but uhm... klingon politics seemed so full of plotting and scheming and backstabbing and "It's only dishonorable if you leave witnesses/evidence behind." Let me rephrase that... That whole unpleasant business is the main part I remember about klingon politics and the great houses.
    That's also my main problem with klingons. They talk so much about honor, but except for Worf (who could have been "tainted" by federation ideals), a lot of klingons (in canon...) don't seem to know the meaning of "honor". Or klingon "honor" is just so twisted that my human brain is unable to understand it.



    Server Maintenance:
    Uhm, dragon, what Cryptic does or does not do during maintenance is, except for patches, none of your business. Well, that probably sounded harsher than intended, but I'm not sure how else to put it, so sorry if it did sound too harsh.
    Those 3.5 hours don't just exist to implement a mini patch. They exist for... well... server maintenance. The mini patch in that case is just icing on the cake.
    And to put things into perspective, let's look at the 800 pound gorilla in the room. WoW started with weekly maintenance. In the US on tuesdays from 3 am to 11 am pacific time, in Europe on wednesdays from 3 am to 11 am central european time. Yes, 8 hours of maintenance every week. Even when there was no patch anywhere to be seen. It took them quite a while to cut down on maintenance. I think they went down to... 5 am to 11 am now? And every once in a while (when they feel like the servers are doing fine) they skip maintenance and just do a restart.
    And I seem to vaguely remember even shorter maintenance days... like 7 am to 11 am or something in that ballpark...
    But the old 3 am to 11 am timeframe still shows up at least on patchdays and sometimes even for no apparent reason at all. I think this week's maintenance was supposed to be another 3 to 11 again.
    So... long story short, Cryptic's maintenance timeframe does not seem that extraordinary to me.



    "I'm not touching this, I'm a romulan this week":
    Yeah, sure, I guess all that "They'll fix klingons when targs fly!" and "Ferengi can't be KDF!" and "Demons of Cryptic" and all that stuff must have been in my imagination...
    But since this is basically part two of our "fix klingons!" discussion... Just because klingons and romulans don't bring in enough money to give them exactly as many ships as the federation gets, that does not mean there is no money to be made. So why would Cryptic take those two factions out?
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,100 Arc User
    MORE wdocducks!
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    Typhoon Class please!
  • sistericsisteric Member Posts: 768 Arc User
    Seven transferred to some project that Admiral Janeway was heading up. SO not surprising that she wasn't amongst the people on the planet. I still think that Tuvok is in the Delta Quadrant and not at Earth.

    Klingon honor seems to me to be more wrapped up in Actions seen and how others perceive them than on the concepts that are common in the human honor system. SO intrigue, backstabbing and infiltration is all good as long as no one can pin those actions on you. And if they do, you can erase the stain with a dual with the accuser. Unless that proof is in some hard to dismiss format that doesn't need challenger to explain anything. SO martial prowess can make up for failed attempts, but not always. I also find that Klingon law seems to be inconsistent in such accusation and defense challenges. And what is allowed and not allowed can be ...convoluted...at times.

    The rest I will not touch....lol

    Federation: Fleet Admiral Zombee (Alien Tactical)::Fleet Admiral Danic (Vulcan Science)::Fleet Admiral Daniel Kochheiser (Human Engineer)
    KDF: Dahar Master Kan (Borg Klingon Tactical)::Dahar Master Torc (Alien Science)::Dahar Master Sisteric (Gorn Engineer)
    RR-Fed: Citizen Sirroc (Romulan Science)::Fleet Admiral Grell (Alien Engineer)
    RR-KDF: Fleet Admiral Zemo (Reman Tactical)::Fleet Admiral Xinatek (Reman Science)::Fleet Admiral Bel (Alien Engineer)
    TOS-Fed: Fleet Admiral Katem (Andorian Tactical)::Lieutenant Commander Straad (Vulcan Engineer)
    Dom-Fed: Dan'Tar (Jem'Hadar Science)
    Dom-KDF: Kamtana'Solan (Jem'Hadar Science)

    CoHost of Tribbles in Ecstasy (Zombee)
  • alex1geralex1ger Member Posts: 141 Arc User
    Interviews, I forgot to mention before:



    During the show (187) I mentioned trekradio's recently published STLV interview with Al "CaptainGeko" Rivera. It clocks in at about 18 minutes. Since it was recorded at STLV most of the stuff is known to us already, but the last... about 6 minutes still had a few gems. I'm not gonna spoil everything, but CaptainGeko did mention something akin to a paradigm shift. Until now Cryptic has been trying to use these conventions to get in touch with the stars to gauge their interest in doing voice over work.
    But during this year's STLV, they were actually being approached by some of the stars. He mentioned Manu Intiraymi (I mentioned the twitter stuff and that internet petition a couple of feedbacks ago), Armin Shimerman (he made it sound like Aron Eisenberg might have had a hand in that) and Cirroc Lofton.

    You know, if they could get Max Grodénchik, too... That would be amazing. I mean, think about it:
    Quark, Grand Nagus Rom, Ferenginar's "first lady" Leeta and Nog.
    Cryptic, make it so!
    Next event: Ferengi Recruitment Event. #GoPlayAFerengi

    Yeah, probably not, but a Ferengi story arc? Yes, please!



    And then there was the interview mmoreporter (check the official STO twitter for the link) did with Stephen "Salami_Inferno" Ricossa. That one has a length of... ~20 minutes. Once again, it is not the most recent news, since it has been recorded a couple of weeks ago, but you should still give it a listen.

    He talks about how (and when) he started working at Cryptic (on STO). It gives a little insight into the whole "catch up" thing I have been talking about in the feedback for last week's show (186). Just listen to it. And remember, the game launched about 14 months after that...

    Oh and he also mentions Armin Shimerman expressing his interest in doing voice over work for STO. So, once again: Yay. :D
  • sunseahlsunseahl Member Posts: 827 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    alex1ger wrote: »
    "We have people scream at us."
    Oh sunseahl... I have not screamed at you. Yet. But since we're having this discussion again... I'm trying to understand the problem, but you're still not giving me that much to work with. I mean, you and dragon like to point out how much Cryptic ignores the KDF and the Rom Rep.
    Now tell me: What exactly do you want Cryptic to do? You mentioned the "bad klingon writing", is that it and if not what else do you want to see "fixed"?
    And... what did you hate so much about the klingon starting experience? I mean, you called it "bad klingon writing" with romulans and dishonorable klingons. Okay, fine, but that is actually canon.

    No, seriously. It's basically a retelling of the klingon civil war that happened in TNG. But this time around we (the players) manage to stop it before it can erupt into an actual civil war. So you could call them out on retelling a canon story on a smaller scale and from a slightly different angle, but uhm... klingon politics seemed so full of plotting and scheming and backstabbing and "It's only dishonorable if you leave witnesses/evidence behind." Let me rephrase that... That whole unpleasant business is the main part I remember about klingon politics and the great houses.
    That's also my main problem with klingons. They talk so much about honor, but except for Worf (who could have been "tainted" by federation ideals), a lot of klingons (in canon...) don't seem to know the meaning of "honor". Or klingon "honor" is just so twisted that my human brain is unable to understand it.


    "I'm not touching this, I'm a romulan this week":
    Yeah, sure, I guess all that "They'll fix klingons when targs fly!" and "Ferengi can't be KDF!" and "Demons of Cryptic" and all that stuff must have been in my imagination...
    But since this is basically part two of our "fix klingons!" discussion... Just because klingons and romulans don't bring in enough money to give them exactly as many ships as the federation gets, that does not mean there is no money to be made. So why would Cryptic take those two factions out?

    The "When Targs Fly" comment was poking fun at last week.

    The Ferengi issue applies to the Romulan Republic as well. Why should fed-only players get to be Ferengi? and why should their clothing be fed-only as well? Ferengi are the galactic mob... Their Fingers are everywhere and in every pie. Hell... There wouldn't even be Federation Ferengi if not for Grand Nagus Rom. "If you can't be a businessman, do something else." I think was his quote in path to 2409. There are no less than 3 Ferengi on Qo'nos and there should be more than 1 on Mol'Rihan.... Ferengi should be the one race you can make across factions.



    Now. I never said you, specifically, scream.... I mean there's enough of a deafening chorus of Federation players that instantly spam, "why should we" / "you're not 100 percent of the player base" / "quit complaining" that it feels like screaming. It's not just you.... It's you, and midnight, and a load of other people that time and again use the same tired and cliched lines over and over again, no matter if you mean to use them or not. Who needs to scream when you have so much constant verbal/mental harassment/abuse of your character no matter how justified the query may be? That kind of TRIBBLE eats away at people. Damages them. Makes them either indignant or reclusive. Why do you think the Romulans left Vulcan? It certainly wasn't because only the Vulcans were right.

    As for making Klingon writing better? How about less of the back-stabby, civil war TRIBBLE and actually try getting into the history of Klingons, getting into something other than warrior's glory, and honor politicking. I mean... The Federation doesn't have a whole damned story-line devoted to bad admiral after bad admiral do they? Why should the Klingons have to have their version of that trope? This is Qo'nos.... there are lore-singers, bars, combat arenas.... Tell us about the Defence Force alliance! Make someone's Science or Engie Klingon feel like they're not second caste now that you have Orions, and Gorn, and Naussicans, and Lethians, and Ferasans.....​​
    Member of the "Disenchanted"
    We don't want what the Feds have. We want the equivalent. We want fairer treatment. Concern, desire, greed to some extent, and passionate belief that the enough people would buy KDF items to make it worth Cryptic's while.
  • midniteshadow7midniteshadow7 Member Posts: 787 Arc User
    alex1ger wrote: »
    And then there was the interview mmoreporter (check the official STO twitter for the link) did with Stephen "Salami_Inferno" Ricossa. That one has a length of... ~20 minutes. Once again, it is not the most recent news, since it has been recorded a couple of weeks ago, but you should still give it a listen.

    He talks about how (and when) he started working at Cryptic (on STO). It gives a little insight into the whole "catch up" thing I have been talking about in the feedback for last week's show (186). Just listen to it. And remember, the game launched about 14 months after that...

    Oh and he also mentions Armin Shimerman expressing his interest in doing voice over work for STO. So, once again: Yay. :D

    That interview can be found here: http://mmoreporter.com/2015/10/07/mmo-reporter-special-reporter-star-trek-online-interview-with-stephen-ricossa/
  • alex1geralex1ger Member Posts: 141 Arc User
    sunseahl wrote: »
    Now. I never said you, specifically, scream.... I mean there's enough of a deafening chorus of Federation players that instantly spam, "why should we" / "you're not 100 percent of the player base" / "quit complaining" that it feels like screaming. It's not just you.... It's you, and midnight, and a load of other people that time and again use the same tired and cliched lines over and over again, no matter if you mean to use them or not. Who needs to scream when you have so much constant verbal/mental harassment/abuse of your character no matter how justified the query may be? That kind of TRIBBLE eats away at people. Damages them. Makes them either indignant or reclusive. Why do you think the Romulans left Vulcan? It certainly wasn't because only the Vulcans were right.



    I thought for quite a while about whether (and if: how) I should react to this... This is all I can muster up.

    Relisten to the recorded version (like I did). The complete quote is: "We have people scream at us... Alex."

    So even if you did not want to say that I was screaming at you, you were at least heavily implying that I was connected to these screams.
    And now you plainly deny it and follow it up by explaining how my arguments are the same or at least very similar to the arguments used by the people who scream at you.

    If that's the way you feel, I'm done here. Since you obviously did not listen to/read any of the points I made. If you had, you would have noticed that I thought you were barking up the wrong tree (I called it "fighting the wrong fight" in that endless KDF sci ship discussion I tried to have with you). And instead of just trying to stop you, I tried to explain what I thought were the "right trees".

    But since all you can hear at this point seems to be "screaming" and "verbal and mental harassment", talking about these issues clearly has no merit at all.
    I see now that I only wasted time and energy on your rants and I will not do so again.

    Oh... btw. have you ever thought about how a Cryptic employee would feel if they actually did listen to TiE and all they can hear is you yelling at them how much they supposedly hate/ignore the KDF/Romulans?
    This kind of hypocrisy would be funny, if it wasn't so incredibly sad.

    PS: I thought about reacting to your klingon story suggestions (because they sound like they could be turned into something really awesome), but like I said, I won't waste any more time/energy here.
  • sistericsisteric Member Posts: 768 Arc User
    Hi Alex,

    I hope you will continue to post here. I find your input, while lengthy, is very insightful and thought provoking. As I get more comfortable with all of these things, I hope to join in on these discussions that you are part of.

    As for the Klingon story ideas, I would like to see the writing for the KDF to show that the Military is changing because of the presence and influence of the non-Klingon races. It would be even better to see how the High Council changes as the other races start gaining positions of power and influence. The KDF is becoming more cosmopolitan and it would be good for STO to start showcasing the internal strife and changes that would be happening in the Empire.

    And the Romulan Republic changes should be showcased too. The Romulan culture has been nearly xenophobic is nature for so long, that there should be all kinds of command and political issues to overcome with adding Remans and other races as "equals" should be reflected in game.

    The Federation don't have that internal conflict to deal with, but they would now have the problem of how to deal with the changing political and military culture of their allies. How do they deal with the changes with out breaking their Prime Directive. But the stories there are going to be better setting their sights back on exploration.
    Federation: Fleet Admiral Zombee (Alien Tactical)::Fleet Admiral Danic (Vulcan Science)::Fleet Admiral Daniel Kochheiser (Human Engineer)
    KDF: Dahar Master Kan (Borg Klingon Tactical)::Dahar Master Torc (Alien Science)::Dahar Master Sisteric (Gorn Engineer)
    RR-Fed: Citizen Sirroc (Romulan Science)::Fleet Admiral Grell (Alien Engineer)
    RR-KDF: Fleet Admiral Zemo (Reman Tactical)::Fleet Admiral Xinatek (Reman Science)::Fleet Admiral Bel (Alien Engineer)
    TOS-Fed: Fleet Admiral Katem (Andorian Tactical)::Lieutenant Commander Straad (Vulcan Engineer)
    Dom-Fed: Dan'Tar (Jem'Hadar Science)
    Dom-KDF: Kamtana'Solan (Jem'Hadar Science)

    CoHost of Tribbles in Ecstasy (Zombee)
  • sunseahlsunseahl Member Posts: 827 Arc User
    @alex1ger

    I sent you a PM Alex.... I feel terrible now....​​
    Member of the "Disenchanted"
    We don't want what the Feds have. We want the equivalent. We want fairer treatment. Concern, desire, greed to some extent, and passionate belief that the enough people would buy KDF items to make it worth Cryptic's while.
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