Tellarite ship and console idea

captz1pp

I think Cryptic should add a Tellarite Eng cruiser, the console it would have would be one that either summons 2 escort vessels (something like old PT boats), or has them actually attached to the ships port and starboard, as opposed to dorsal and ventral like the Prometheus's MVAM, or the Romulan Ha'apak, and Haakona class ships.

angrytarg

Sounds good. No honestly, I like it. I love detachable support craft and I really long for a Tellarite vessel. I'd even settle for a Tellarite drone carrier (standard two hangar carrier with Tellarite drones, as they are supposed to be egnineering experts and not likely to use fighters).

captainoblivous

In concept, it reminds me of the "jeep carrier" idea the US navy had during the second world war.
I like it.

angrytarg

We need more support for a Tellarite ship. After all, Tellarites are one of the founding members of the UFP. We already have a Vulcan sceince ship and an Andorian escort. A Tellarite Cruiser would make sense, making it a utility ship/tender would help with the oversaturation of Cruiser we face at the moment.

captz1pp

If the Developers were to make one, I hope it's design is more mechanical looking then the ships of the Andorians (whose 3 ships are half appearance, half function) and Vulcans (whose 1 ship is all appearance).

angrytarg

The only canon Tellarite ship we know is a reused model. Since Tellarites were never more than background actors, although canonically a major faction, we have to make the best out of what we got.

We know Tellarites got to reuse one one-shot ship instead of getting their own, the Arkonian destroyer. Other shots of the Arkonian destroyer, courtesy of drexfiles.

In the Tellarite version, the ship was tinted green-ish and the big "cannons" were removed.

Arkonian destroyer with side-mounted "cannons".

I did a little photoshopping (just for fun, I am not good at this XD)

Tellarite flavoured ship

For a ship akin to what was suggested I experimented with replacing the cannons with detachable support craft. Since I couldn't help myself otherwise, I kitbashed those support craft from various parts of the original ship - it doesn'T look very convincing, but maybe it illustrates the concept.

Tellarite tender concept.

yreodred

angrytarg wrote: »

The only canon Tellarite ship we know is a reused model. Since Tellarites were never more than background actors, although canonically a major faction, we have to make the best out of what we got.

We know Tellarites got to reuse one one-shot ship instead of getting their own, the Arkonian destroyer. Other shots of the Arkonian destroyer, courtesy of drexfiles.

In the Tellarite version, the ship was tinted green-ish and the big "cannons" were removed.

Arkonian destroyer with side-mounted "cannons".

I did a little photoshopping (just for fun, I am not good at this XD)

Tellarite flavoured ship

For a ship akin to what was suggested I experimented with replacing the cannons with detachable support craft. Since I couldn't help myself otherwise, I kitbashed those support craft from various parts of the original ship - it doesn'T look very convincing, but maybe it illustrates the concept.

Tellarite tender concept.

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angrytarg

yreodred wrote: »

:cool:


/10char10101010

That's what I was going for, at least

captz1pp

I was hoping it would have skin choices like the vast majority of ingame ships do, one from the ENT era, and one more modern, because a race of engineers aren't going to just keep a centuries old ship design that they didn't even build, right?

angrytarg

captz1pp wrote: »

I was hoping it would have skin choices like the vast majority of ingame ships do, one from the ENT era, and one more modern, because a race of engineers aren't going to just keep a centuries old ship design that they didn't even build, right?

We don't know who build the ship. I am tempted to grant the benefit of doubt to the Tellarites instead of one unknown "alien-of-the-week" one-shot race - after all they are a founder of the federation species and they were shown to use this kind of ship. Of course I wouldn't be opposed to other skin choices, I just used that because it is the only canon Tellarite design known (model-recycling or not).

But vastly different skins seem unlikely, after all the Kumari and D'Kyr also have only one skin. What I did think about, though, was a three pack, following the Kumari example (and the D'Kyr could be upgraded via one as well). I was thinking that those large cannons could be one optio, the support craft another and a third with something else in place - of the top of my head something like super heavy tractor emitters would be a nice touch (using polarize hull or other tractor breakers would merely cancel the root, but not the heavy slow as opposed to be a "get out of jail" card).

So you had three variants - "Warship"-variant with fixed "wing cannons" and a special ability "disabling shot". 100% chance to knock one subsystem offline, 75% two, 50% three and 25% chance to completely disable the target. For the remainder of the disabling effect energy weapons of the Tellarite craft are offline, granting one free high yield torpedo attack though. This would support torpedo use and make it more of a team support ability.

"Supply tender"-variant with two deployable support craft, equipped with tractor beams, omni-directional beams and sensor analysis which they cast on targets.

"Salvage operation"-variant with two side mounted heavy duty tractor beam emitters, able to grab and root the target, maybe even drag it along "Graga Mal"-style, dealing kinetic and maybe radiation damage over time. Tractor beam is unbreakable, APO, polarize hull etc. will only break the root but still suffer heavy slow and damage.

(Only examples of course)

Special weapons (for crafting, fleet and dil store) should be "Tellarite phasers" which are red phasers, just like the Andorian variant are vanilla blue phasers. If the D'Kyr gets revisited, the green "Vulcan particle weapon" aka "Vulcan phaser" should also be included, so we have green, blue and red vanilla phasers (the Vulcan weapon in ENT looks different from the bio phasers we have).

captz1pp

Fair enough, angrytarg.

One question though, would it be possible for the skins to be different sizes, or does it not work thst way, in which case, they'd just make three separate ships?

angrytarg

Hard to say. If you look at existing three-packs, all skins have to be interchangeable. For example with the Kumari, there's hardly variation. Size dfferences can only be minor, otherwise the skins don't fit each other in customization.

captz1pp

Another point would be what to call it, I can see one skin/version being the Prev class, after the 22nd century Captain who destroyed his ship to keep it from being Telecaptured, but the other(s)?

angrytarg

That is indeed difficult as we don't have any indication how TEllarites name their ships, nor what Tellarite language sounds like or what their cultural history is.

The only nemaed Tellarite ship we know from canon was the Tezra. We know from dialogue it was also the first of it_s class, so likely the class was named Tezra-class, but it was a mining freighter. It wouldn't make much sense for it to carry that name.

Other than that, we could use Gav which is the Tellarite signing the charter of the UFP and it would essentially the same as an starfleet "Archer-class". "Babel" could be another option since many Tellarite appearances have something to do with the Babel conferences. Otherwise I'd made a name up sounding like something 'Tellarite', going by the names they had. Like "Raajin", "Gooltur", "Sahaam", "Klaav" - I don't know, something like that.

angrytarg

Another possibility would be a Xindi-Arboreal lockbox ship. Cryptic really wants all the Xindi in lockboxes it seems (despite them being UFP members, but whatever) so if they ever decide to put the Arboreal people's ship in a lockbox we basically had our Tellarite ship stand-in - because it uses the same model as Arkonian and Tellarites. Boy, ENT really was a cheap recycling slugfest

But with a lockbox ship you can at least choose "no prefix" and hopefully can colour them green-ish. It depends what type the ship will turn out to be, but since the primate ship became a dreadnaught-carrier thing there's still a bit hope that it won't become an escort

angrytarg

I took the opportunity and asked Thomas Marone during a AMA section on reddit about Tellarite starships and I created a corresponding reddit with a few ideas of mine here.

His response was, well, neither especially encouraging nor discouraging:

thomasmarone wrote:

I think that'd be cool to do. I'd love to do more starfleet-hybrid ships based on Vulcan/Andorian/Tellarite designs. We'll see what the future holds!

I do believe he would like to design a Tellarite ship but I am afraid that Cryptic/Salamiinferno don't see it happening any time soon, if at all.