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  • devildog246devildog246 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Please count me in the too dark group. Lighten it up.

    If I am paying stupid amounts of money for a ship I would at least like to see it.
  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 2,035 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Love the dark.. it feels... like in space... its the only semi-reaalistic place in the game, i like it... make it darker!! :P
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  • thelordofshadesthelordofshades Member Posts: 258 Arc User
    edited April 2015
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    No, it does NOT.
  • oneironutoneironut Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    tacofangs wrote: »
    In the interest of compromise, I've upped the ambient lighting a bit. It is still darker than old sector space, but lighter than it is now. I've also increased the brightness of the light put out by stars, and increased that light's radius by a hundred feet or so (roughly 1LY).


    That sounds just right for me. Thank you!
  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,530 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    as I see it the current lighting is spot on, it adds to the realism of the impression that you are in the void between planets and it doesn't seem so much like your passing something every second or two of your journey, and for anyone who wants to ogle their ship theres plenty of opportunity for that if you happen to pass by a star system on route or when you reach your destination.
    having said that I had no problems seeing other ships or asteroid clusters and such, have you tried tweaking your in game brightness settings.

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  • zedbrightlander1zedbrightlander1 Member Posts: 13,326 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Sure, but you can see your ship just fine if you're next to any star in sector space, or in any system or mission map.

    This is ONE place in the game that is dark. And it is a place where you are not going to be attacked.

    How do you know? Those damned Iconians are popping up EVERYWHERE!

    I heard that they even hit one of your servers. IT'S TIME TO PANIC!!!

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  • majortiraomegamajortiraomega Member Posts: 2,213 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    What do you mean Sector Space needs more light? Cryptic did a fantastic job on the sector space revamp. I think the new sector maps look amazing and the darkness is a great touch. Don't like it? Transwarp everywhere then!
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,556 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    tacofangs wrote: »
    Sure, but you can see your ship just fine if you're next to any star in sector space, or in any system or mission map.

    This is ONE place in the game that is dark. And it is a place where you are not going to be attacked.

    Oh... Way to ruin the tension. :(
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  • demonicaestheticdemonicaesthetic Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Computer games are largly a VISUAL MEDIUM...

    Remove the VISUAL with "Make it too dark because it's Hella-Kewl", then you have crippled the MEDIUM.

    Turn the damn lights back on.
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  • c0mmandersamc0mmandersam Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    In case anyone else does this and ends up with the same problem after changing a setting, all you have to do is find the file named GamePref.pref in one of the subdirectroies in your C:\users\public\Games..etc (Windows 7) or wherever it might be on your system and delete it. Then you can log in with default settings.
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 3,132 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Computer games are largly a VISUAL MEDIUM...

    Remove the VISUAL with "Make it too dark because it's Hella-Kewl", then you have crippled the MEDIUM.

    Turn the damn lights back on.

    I think you'll spend much of your time in this game seeing your ship considering you'll spend more time in a system space shooting or clicking on stuff than in sector space, like Taco implied.

    And I believe it's good to have a game that makes people realize that yeah, space is dark, and in real life, it's even worse if there isn't a star nearby!

    While I wouldn't mind being able to see my ship sometimes, we already have one easy solution:
    -go near the many, many systems

    For the rest who aren't satisfied with that, I'll say this again: Maybe you could ask the lighting team and see if it's possible to make a device that allows your ship to be fully visible in sector space.
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  • bernatkbernatk Member Posts: 1,089 Bug Hunter
    edited April 2015
    Who the hell hung out in Sector Space so they can look at their ships before season 10? Sector space was crowded and fugly.

    And that artsy-farsty TRIBBLE about crippling the medium is just pure snobbish bs.

    True.

    Also since S10 i spend 80% of my playtime in sector space. Can't stop looking. Heck, I usually have a Star Trek episode running in the background while whatever I do on comp. Now I just start up STO and leave it in the background as a living wallpaper.

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  • nepsthennepsthen Member Posts: 200 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    For those complaining about it being too dark, you can adjust the brightness, contrast, and gamma in the display options. The only issue I have is that screenshots come out too dark, but look fine otherwise on my monitor.
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  • millybunmillybun Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    tacofangs wrote: »
    I believe what I told you last time was not "no," but "I want to wait and see how people feel about it more than a day or two after launch."

    I'm sure I'm biased here, but that doesn't sound like "I know better," that sounds like, "Let's see how this shakes out a bit before knee-jerking back the way it was."


    So far, I am continuing to hear mixed reviews. Some people like it darker, some people don't. I don't see a preponderance on either side.

    In the interest of compromise, I've upped the ambient lighting a bit. It is still darker than old sector space, but lighter than it is now. I've also increased the brightness of the light put out by stars, and increased that light's radius by a hundred feet or so (roughly 1LY). I'm afraid I don't know exactly when that will make it onto Holodeck, but can we lay off the accusations until then, at least? I'm ok with people expressing their feelings about the light in sector space. I'm not ok with being called a hypocrite for doing my job.


    I actually really like the dark in between the stars, it makes it that much neater when I approach a star and get lit up, or pass by it on the way to some other deep space destination.

    I hope the light increases don't alter the "darkness of in-between space" too much. This wouldn't be the only Star Trek game to have dramatic darkness used to good effect. Bridge Commander is one that comes to mind, and it always looked awesome when in a dark location.

    Though, like some of the others have suggested, it might be helped if ships themselves had more "self-lighting." Like the light that reveals the (Federation) ship's name on the hull. Some ships in the game do this better than others, so was thinking that might be part of it, though I know ship art isn't what you do.

    Regardless, I like dark space punctuated by the light of stars in a vast sea of space, and I can see my ship plenty when passing said stars and other objects that may light my ship currently. I love it.

    Computer games are largly a VISUAL MEDIUM...

    Remove the VISUAL with "Make it too dark because it's Hella-Kewl", then you have crippled the MEDIUM.

    Turn the damn lights back on.

    This doesn't make too much sense, since Sector Space gameplay isn't at all crippled by it being dark between approachable and lit stars, which there are many of in the game currently. It's an overworld map (common for computer and console RPGs and other genre that may use it) for getting to points of interest, which you usually then enter to do things within, nothing more than that for gameplay purposes.

    There's nothing to see except those points of interest which are usually star systems, with the stars lighting things up as you approach. It's also unlikely you'd be manually flying across the quadrant to your destination, so you'd mostly be using the game map to click to autopilot to your destination for the most part anyway, which is how it was usually used before this Season 10 update.

    So, basically, the lights are on at most points of interest, and no gameplay suffers since most players have likely always used the map to select and autopilot to their destinations. No combat, no danger, nothing required to really see anything, with the things you can see being the points of interest, which are the only important things in Sector Space.

    Though it could also be monitor settings. I know some people who have their monitors so dark that it's impossible to see anything in even a semi-dim game setting.
  • senatorvreenaksenatorvreenak Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    nepsthen wrote: »
    For those complaining about it being too dark, you can adjust the brightness, contrast, and gamma in the display options. The only issue I have is that screenshots come out too dark, but look fine otherwise on my monitor.

    That is not even remotely a valid solution, as we would have to re-adjust those settings "every single time" we transition to and from sector space.
  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited April 2015
    I like it myself like it is
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    But that would mean doing something to fix what they see as a problem for themselves instead of complaining to Taco and trying to get him to change things.

    That's INCONCEIVABLE!!!
    Now that is not really a fair statement. I have 4 computers in my house - 1 for each member of my family. Each of those computers was set-up with the recommended setting, based on their video card type, when STO was installed. None of those computers had this issue until the Season 10 changes.

    If I start messing with the gamma, lights, bloom, etc I am not only adjusting Sector Space. I am changing the balance in the whole game. That is probably not something everyone wants to do - as they like how all the non-Sector areas look. And as I said in my other post, my son did adjust: he turned off the Astrometrics to make Sector Space brighter for his Romulan. But that does not mean I feel he should have to play the game that way simply because Cryptic decided to make a change on their end.

    I am looking forward to seeing how much brighter things become when Taco's changes are implemented. But if my son still cannot see his ship after the changes I will be right back here saying so. It is not like I spend a lot of time bytching on this forum. I need to get my bytch post count up. :)
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  • spockout1spockout1 Member Posts: 314 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    On the topic of new sector space, has anyone else noticed the difference in camera position when changing from system to sector space and back?

    I feel like I'm constantly having to adjust the zoom levels to get it where I want when transitioning, whereas before I could set it and forget it.

    Is that a bug?
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  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,270 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    After watching my son play his Rom earlier, with the Reman skin, I could barely see his ship moving in Sector Space. Granted, he only has a GT 730 card on his computer but I would never pay to play a game where I cannot even see my ship moving around half the time.

    It really needs to be lightened a little.

    I see my ships just fine. They aren't as bright as they used to be sure, but it's nowhere near as bad as some are making it out to be here. Personally, I think adjusting the running lights and extending the range of light a bit from solar systems would work better than brightening up all of sector space. Not everyone is running a sub-par rig.
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  • amezukiamezuki Member Posts: 364 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    spockout1 wrote: »
    On the topic of new sector space, has anyone else noticed the difference in camera position when changing from system to sector space and back?

    I feel like I'm constantly having to adjust the zoom levels to get it where I want when transitioning, whereas before I could set it and forget it.

    Is that a bug?
    What you're probably seeing is the FOV change. Sector space has a slightly tighter FOV, which I like (and tightened even further for myself).

    Do a Google search for "sto fov" for instructions on how to tweak it yourself with one command.
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  • darkjeffdarkjeff Member Posts: 2,590 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Hang on, how many of the people complaining are using black skins, and how many of us liking the change are using light skins? (Though I think we all want the running lights upped a bit, contrast is cool.)

    I'm in the shiny Veteran skins most of the time, and it all looks good.

    My Scimitar with the Veteran skin and green highlights (so basically shiny white with green lights) looks awesome.

    My Cell Ship looks good as well, but that's because even though the hull is dark (brown/tan) there's a lot of lights on it.

    My JHDC with the purple skin looks fine. Darker, but not "lost in space" dark.
  • voivodjevoivodje Member Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Actually, no, I too have the camera reverting to close up zoom each map transition.
    Didn't had this before.

    Spockout is right.

    And again, light is good as is.
    Just leave it as is.

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  • demonicaestheticdemonicaesthetic Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Who the hell hung out in Sector Space so they can look at their ships before season 10? Sector space was crowded and fugly.

    And that artsy-farsty TRIBBLE about crippling the medium is just pure snobbish bs.

    Actually, NO.

    The Arty Farty bit is the thing about making space darker because it would be "cool".

    Every space game in the last 30 years NOT made by David Braben has at one time or another either tried adding 'realism' or had players demanding game mods to add 'realism' to space.


    These attempts invariably fail. Scale thge planets. stars amd ships so they are realistic compared to each other, star fills 3/4 of the screen your ships too small to see.

    Scale travel time to be realistic, at warp 1 it would take weeks or months to get to a close star, never mind the Alpha Quadrant.

    I don't spend time in Sector space looking at my ship, I spend it traveling from place to place.

    I actually liked the "representative not realistic" style of sector space BEFORE the dis-improvements, made a nice change from all the other 30 years worth of failed attempts to add 'realism'.

    All this new system gives me is more time getting from A to B, with inflatable star systems and broken autopilots. Only way to avoid it is pay money.

    Basically "We added more time consuming grind, bad graphics, and inconvienience, if you wish to avoid this, sink credits, thus adding more grind! Have a nice day!"
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  • voivodjevoivodje Member Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    All this new system gives me is more time getting from A to B, with inflatable star systems and broken autopilots. Only way to avoid it is pay money.
    Erm, care to explain this?
    I fail to grasp this one.
    Basically "We added more time consuming grind, bad graphics, and inconvienience, if you wish to avoid this, sink credits, thus adding more grind! Have a nice day!"
    And this one, I believe, paying member or not, we're all treated the same way.
  • grylakgrylak Member Posts: 1,572 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    The Autopilot takes you to the star system (unless you used the full impulse button to trigger slipstream, in which case you just keep going forever). Is it really too much trouble to spend an extra five seconds to manually fly to the planet itself, where the interact is?



    Personally, I love the new sector space. I'm actually just flying around to see what's about now, just randomly exploring. Sometimes I stop to admire the stars, especially in a multiple star system. I forget which one, but yesterday I found a trinary star system lurking about. Twas a thing of sheer beauty. And if you really want to admire your ship in sector space, do what I do. Just pull up at the nearest star. Although to be honest, I've had no trouble seeing my ship, and that's a Tuffli with the Reman shield visuals on.
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  • demonicaestheticdemonicaesthetic Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    voivodje wrote: »
    Erm, care to explain this?
    I fail to grasp this one.

    Hate spending more time traveling in dis-improved space... use the transwarp to mission button for a hiked fee...
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  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,270 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Hate spending more time traveling in dis-improved space... use the transwarp to mission button for a hiked fee...

    "Hiked" fee? You make more than enough off of selling vendor trash drops in one mission to cover the cost.
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  • demonicaestheticdemonicaesthetic Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    valoreah wrote: »
    "Hiked" fee? You make more than enough off of selling vendor trash drops in one mission to cover the cost.

    Depends on the mission and the drops, I was quoted a fee of 34k to transwarp to one relatively close mission, I know i didnt get 35k selling the poor drops from said mission.
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  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,270 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Depends on the mission and the drops, I was quoted a fee of 34k to transwarp to one relatively close mission, I know i didnt get 35k selling the poor drops from said mission.

    Not for nothing but if 34K EC is a lot to you, you're not playing right. It's fairly easy to make that much in a single mission off of vendor trash. DOFF missions are a good way to generate EC too. There are a lot of simple ways to earn it.
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  • demonicaestheticdemonicaesthetic Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    valoreah wrote: »
    Not for nothing but if 34K EC is a lot to you, you're not playing right. It's fairly easy to make that much in a single mission off of vendor trash. DOFF missions are a good way to generate EC too. There are a lot of simple ways to earn it.

    To me? Now? no not a lot at all... I make most of my EC selling rare particles to crafters via the exchange.

    To me when a lvl 1 new toon, 35 k was a lot.

    The whole larger space, higher transwarp fees, lower payouts on missions combo we've seen last couple of weeks is just more and more grind.

    Inflatable star system booby traps that pop a planet in front of your ship in slipstream too late for the autopilot to evade because your route takes you past a system at less than 2 ly, autopilots that dump you on the wrong side of a vast inflatable sun from the tiny planet that actually has the under sized interaction radius, and the whole Emo Too Dark is Way Kewl thing.

    New Sector Space is without a doubt the worst thing in Season 10, why couldn't they just drop the walls between the old decent to look at, usable sector blocks.
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