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cryptkeeper0
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This is one of the first things that I had thought when I heard the new command specialization + bridge officer abilities and stations. Many others seemed to have the same idea, i think its a good one.
I've been thinking about the possibilities, of Tier 6, hybrid commander command seat retrofit or refit model of these ships.
Odyssey Command Cruiser: Cmdr hybrid engineering/command, Lt cmdr Hybrid intel/uni, lt tac, lt sci, lt uni + hanger ? or ? turn rate 7
C-store 3 tac 4 engi 3 science
fleet version: 3 tac 5 engi 3 sci
Bortasqu' Command dreadnought cruiser: Cmdr hybrid engineering/command, Lt cmdr Hybrid intel/uni, lt tac,lt sci, lt uni.
5 for weapons, 3 rear + hanger, shield mod 1.1 turn rate 7
4tac 4engi 2 sci fleet: 4tac 5engi 2 sci
Command dreadnought warbird: Cmdr hybrid tactical/command, lt cmdr hybrid intel/uni, lt engi,lt sci, lt uni.
4 tac 2 engi 4 sci fleet: 5tac 2engi 4 sci
All new model/parts for there respective lines, along with fleet skin.
I wonder how possible we would see something like this ?
I've been thinking about the possibilities, of Tier 6, hybrid commander command seat retrofit or refit model of these ships.
Odyssey Command Cruiser: Cmdr hybrid engineering/command, Lt cmdr Hybrid intel/uni, lt tac, lt sci, lt uni + hanger ? or ? turn rate 7
C-store 3 tac 4 engi 3 science
fleet version: 3 tac 5 engi 3 sci
Bortasqu' Command dreadnought cruiser: Cmdr hybrid engineering/command, Lt cmdr Hybrid intel/uni, lt tac,lt sci, lt uni.
5 for weapons, 3 rear + hanger, shield mod 1.1 turn rate 7
4tac 4engi 2 sci fleet: 4tac 5engi 2 sci
Command dreadnought warbird: Cmdr hybrid tactical/command, lt cmdr hybrid intel/uni, lt engi,lt sci, lt uni.
4 tac 2 engi 4 sci fleet: 5tac 2engi 4 sci
All new model/parts for there respective lines, along with fleet skin.
I wonder how possible we would see something like this ?
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"Far more popular", as in "would sell a hell of a lot more of them".
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But thematically it only makes sense that the current flagships would have commander command slots on them.. much more so then defiant class and for sure the galaxy, which at this point would be starting to show the age of their designs.
While i wouldn't say no to other command ships, of these I have to say the popularity thing is honestly only speculation and also a little basis. If you could how ever some how take a poll of all players in sto. We would see if that would be true or not.
I love the galaxy, but I love the oddy and the other ships. This is coming from someone who tng and tos is their favorite series. Progress of ship designs is inevitable as time in the star trek progresses. So honestly I'd prefer them, but I honestly think there is room for all of them.
Here's the seating i could see the galaxy version, Cmdr command/engineer, lt com engi, lt com sci/intel, lt tac, ensign uni
Imagine - Odyssey/Bortasqu' re-release. Cmdr Eng/Cmd seats. New ship skins. Entirely new Republic Command Ship. Replace the Lleisett with it in-story in future missions.
I think it's pretty unlikely, but it'd be cool. It's probably be a Tac/Cmd ship for Roms and KDF and a three-set for Feds of the Cruiser/Sci/Escort trinity. The most I'm hoping for is a pet theme among all three - saucer sep for the cruiser, MVAM for the Escort (I'm praying for a Prommy variant), and some sort of probe or single hangar for the Sci ship.
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Either as an Lt.Cmdr. level Hybrid Command seat or maybe a rare Cmdr. level Hybrid Seat (though if it's Cmdr. level, it might have a Command-skin and design common to all full Command ships; whether or not the Command designs are as unique as the Intel design and skin though, remains to be seen).
The problem though is if they'll release entirely new 3-ship bundles and their own unique Command-themed consoles, or if they will just reuse the existing consoles of the T5 variants.
Off-topic, Defiant (with an Lt. Sci/Command Hybrid) and Galaxy (with an Lt. Tac/Command Hybrid) would also make reasonable Command hybrids like the Pathfinder (Lt Eng/Intel Hybrid), but not likely going to happen until Cryptic has a reason to sell a new one like they did the Pathfinder (is the star of a new episode series, has exclusive interiors to sell them with, and only after they've added their own new original T6 ships with full or partial Command capabilities).
Somewhat on-topic; isn't the Odyssey an official design? I recall it was part of a major Design the Next Enterprise competition with some official support from CBS (who among other things, also control whether or not any ship can have the name Enterprise).
I can't see them relegating them to just lt.com that would be kinda a slap in the face. That's if command ships have special mechanics connected to them like the intel ships. But part of me feels it would confuse me considering cruiser type ship have Cruiser Commands auras. What mechanically could they add to command ships, that wouldn't conflict with them in purpose?
The existing consoles i think, if they make a T6 version, that it will become a 4 console set.
yes it is official and is mostly a fan made design, which had the approval of cbs.
The other alternative is that Command ships might be reliant on Intel ships to apply the Vulnerable state debuffs, but that would TRIBBLE off the players too much and not sell Command ships; as not everyone wants to pair up with an Intel player just to use their Command abilities to the fullest.
As far as consoles go though; the problem lies in if Cryptic releases a new 3-pack; one Tac, one Sci, and one Eng variant. Would they just release one console that's bundle-exclusive? Or would they release the ships with the same old consoles (mainly more for the new players) plus a bundle-exclusive console? Or would they just offer up improved versions of the old consoles that are only usable on the new Command Flagships?
Then that would technically make the Odyssey officially canon until otherwise retconned by CBS. They don't give out the Enterprise name lightly; much less to what would otherwise be "fanart".
It's unlikely they will ever give any old ship a full Cmd Hybrid seat, unless they practically redesign it into a new and original ship with a distinct theme (IE; turn a Galaxy into an Eclipse). Moreso since only themed ships have a full Cmdr Hybrid seat. The only ship with anything more than an Lt Hybrid is the Sheshar, and that one is a rare promotional ship. All other T6 faction ships that are not Specialized are restricted to Lt Hybrid.
At least Lt.Com Hybrid has precedence with the Pathfinder. It changed the Ensign Sci to Lt. Uni, and changed the Lt. Eng to Lt Eng/Hybrid. This basically leaves it almost exactly as-is, just with the option to use a Hybrid ability up to Lt. If you choose not to use any Intel skills, you could in effect run 2 more Tac skills, or 2 more Sci skills, or 2 more Eng skills. Which is the key point that also would apply to a theoretical T6 Defiant or Galaxy.
They will do the exact same for the Defiant and Galaxy, if they ever get around to them. Defiant has an Ensign Tac that would be made straight Lt Uni, and they would likely sacrifice the Lt Sci to become Lt Sci/Hybrid. Galaxy has an Ensign Eng that would be made straight Lt Uni, and thy would likely sacrifice the Lt Tac to become Lt Tac/Hybrid. Both will not be changed from the setup Cryptic put for them in their previous iterations.
Assuming they would be marketed to be Command-possible, they will not likely have the more amazing Command skills, which in effect leaves them able to double up on any area they might be lacking. Like with the Pathfinder, if you choose not to use any Command skills, you could in effect run 2 more Tac skills, or 2 more Sci skills, or 2 more Eng skills. Which would give Galaxy players 4 basic Tac slots to improve their DPS a bit with, and give the Defiant 4 Eng or Science slots to improve their survivability.
Since none of the Command Skills are as impressive as OsS, that at least leaves 1 possible slot to revert for a standard Tac/Sci skill if desired (between said theoretical Galaxy or Defiant). The Devs won't change seats unnecessarily, and they won't deviate from their seating layout they "themed" to the ships. They haven't changed it before, they won't change it now.
For the current Flagships I could see them getting a refit to T6. However as Flagships are supposed to be the pride of the fleet and carry the latest technology available. I am somewhat hoping they hold off on the Flagships and when they are released they have Universal Specialization Seats. So you could see "Engineering/Universal Specialization", "Tactical/Universal Specialization", "Science/Universal Specialization".
The Bortas will need a lot of loving or else a repeat of its release and the blame game will likely occur. After all it was designed at a time where power creep was something the dev team was trying not to let it run away. It was either the first or second 5 Tactical console ship, I can not remember when the patch that added the 5th console to the bug ship was. Plus it had a cloak, not a very good one but it did give de-cloaking bonus damage.
Currently the Bort needs some help in the turn and inertia department. We have carriers that dance around this ship.
I do not want a repeat of getting blamed for it not breaking even. I purchased the 3 pack with in a week of its release, and had a character flying until about the time when the Mogh was released. Swiched the char to a Jem dread because I recived the Bug ship about that time.
That will future proof the ships and guarantee sales at the very least, and it would cease any further issues over why the Flagships aren't as strong/flexible as they should be. They would only trade the lack of true Specialist skills of other established Specialized ships (such as Intel's Intel Scan or the Command Specialization's equivalent, as welly as any future Specialization variant).
I only feel a little concern about that as far as the Scimitar series go, but there's no sign of the DPS game ending any time soon, and admittedly, the Odyssey would be pretty potent being able to broadside SS3 like the Eclipse, just without the turn speed, or the Specialist skills (Intel Scan and whatever Command's version is), or the cloaking. The Bort would be too, but it has far more problems that SS3 alone won't fix.
They could even make use of the Leahval skin (formerly used on Sala's Scimitar before being changed to a regular skin in a later mission) for the Scimitar; it has more bits and pieces that would fit a command Scimitar or T6 UniSpec Scimitar, and just add a few more bits to the Odyssey and Bortesqu to make them a bit more impressive besides size.
There are already variants called "command cruiser" (or Ops) - those get the command specialization. The science variant might get intel abilities and the tactical version gets a future tactical specialization. Then they either retrofit the existing flagships to T6 (unlikely) or offer them for full-price repurchase (more likely).
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