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A caution to the devs
blazeritter
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I'm willing to hold judgement on the new ship plans since I really don't know anything about what's going to happen, but I will warn you that the main reason I play this game at all is because of the actual Star Trek ships.
Not the "Star Trek-ish" ships that have been invented for this game, but the actual ships from the shows. Even though I know they aren't the "best" in the game, I love my Ambassador, Galaxy-X, and D'Deridex. It gives me a giddy sense of joy to see my Warbird warping in, or move the camera around to see every angle as it glides through sector space.
I even created a clip of the TNG music to play in the background - the "danger" music from the first time a Warbird decloaked and swooped in on its prey (the Enterprise-D). I don't really care that it's not the best ship for my character, or that there are other "stronger" ships. It's about the emotion, the experience, and no new ship is going to replace that (unless you want to let me build and design my own ship from scratch like Galactic Civilizations, which would be AWESOME).
From the sounds of it, you're not going to take those ships away, but it's a punch in the gut to see them explicitly stated as being "lower tier." It doesn't feel good. I would much sooner spend my time and resources upgrading my favorite ships to the highest tiers than abandon them for the next new thing, no matter how beautiful or powerful it might be.
The "new thing" isn't the ship I have an emotional, irrational connection to.
Yes, story-wise those canon ships may be getting old, and you probably have more intellectual property limitations to worry about with canon ships, but if it's what keeps your playerbase happy I'd say find a way to deal with it. In game, I'm a fracking admiral. If I want an old ship chassis retrofitted to the brim just to be my flagship, then so be it. It keeps me happy. If you try to break that connection, you're ultimately trying to break my connection to your game.
Am I representative of your whole playerbase, or even a noticeable percentage of it? I can't say. Hopefully, you're investigating that yourself. All I can do is tell you my experience, and invite others to share theirs.
TLDR: I like my ships, and I'm not going to abandon them. Don't try to make me, find a way to work with me.
Not the "Star Trek-ish" ships that have been invented for this game, but the actual ships from the shows. Even though I know they aren't the "best" in the game, I love my Ambassador, Galaxy-X, and D'Deridex. It gives me a giddy sense of joy to see my Warbird warping in, or move the camera around to see every angle as it glides through sector space.
I even created a clip of the TNG music to play in the background - the "danger" music from the first time a Warbird decloaked and swooped in on its prey (the Enterprise-D). I don't really care that it's not the best ship for my character, or that there are other "stronger" ships. It's about the emotion, the experience, and no new ship is going to replace that (unless you want to let me build and design my own ship from scratch like Galactic Civilizations, which would be AWESOME).
From the sounds of it, you're not going to take those ships away, but it's a punch in the gut to see them explicitly stated as being "lower tier." It doesn't feel good. I would much sooner spend my time and resources upgrading my favorite ships to the highest tiers than abandon them for the next new thing, no matter how beautiful or powerful it might be.
The "new thing" isn't the ship I have an emotional, irrational connection to.
Yes, story-wise those canon ships may be getting old, and you probably have more intellectual property limitations to worry about with canon ships, but if it's what keeps your playerbase happy I'd say find a way to deal with it. In game, I'm a fracking admiral. If I want an old ship chassis retrofitted to the brim just to be my flagship, then so be it. It keeps me happy. If you try to break that connection, you're ultimately trying to break my connection to your game.
Am I representative of your whole playerbase, or even a noticeable percentage of it? I can't say. Hopefully, you're investigating that yourself. All I can do is tell you my experience, and invite others to share theirs.
TLDR: I like my ships, and I'm not going to abandon them. Don't try to make me, find a way to work with me.
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Go read dev blogs. Also titling this as a "caution to the devs", really? You feel entitled to guide decisions in a free to play game where the only payments are voluntary?
Anyways, have my thoughts on your post: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
OP: Why do you feel it necessary to issue threats to innocent programmers?
Useless forum troll, but thanks for the bump anyway.
Please tell me more about how contradicting your misguided statements constitutes trolling.
Today's dev post stated that there are only going to be 7 to 10 Tier 6 ships at launch so it is not likely that everyone would want to be limited to such a small section of ships. After all, 7 to 10 ships mean that each faction is limited to 2 to 4 ships each. Although, it is very likely that every future endgame ship will be a Tier 6 ship
a small threat that someone fails to realize its not a right to be on this game, its a privilege. get off your horse.
as for the rest of it? an entitlement claim like any other, just another happy customer of the teams work over the past year.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Countdown until you are called a member of my fleet or a troll for not seeing OPs viewpoint as a shining beacon of wisdom.
too put it bluntly, from what I can tell.
hes just butt-hurt.
I honestly don't see why tier 5 or lowers should get instant upgrades... they are put in tiers for a reason. but people still play end game content in low tier ships I see it all the time..
This is just another person who doesnt like change, likely hood is they cant handle it. in a game or real life ( I Have no basis for this other than his post, however online 9/10 times, their online personality usually mimics their offline personality). its practically the same on every single forum ive seen when something new comes along and makes what they like currently obsolete.
The thing that he doesnt understand is apart from pvp (where it might infact be obsolete) in terms of STFs of other end game content his ships will do fine if he builds them right... this entire thread is just a whine fest.
I would actually go as far as calling it pathetic.
@ OP no lerpys not trolling hes correct, who in the hell do you think you are threatening people?
" a warning to the devs" really? Ive seen some idiotic TRIBBLE in my time but this is just TRIBBLE.
and yes that quote in its context is actually a threat.
/sidenote - I wouldnt of posted in such a condescending and TRIBBLE-ish way if the thread was less childish tbh, it screams of " I dont care, its MY game" which is a bit stupid tbh.
You may get ships looking like lower tier ships later. But don't go about threatening or veiling threats towards any person or organisation, Blazeritter. Cryptic and PWE are well aware of your precious immurrshun.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Great quote. Here's one on a t-shirt I bought at Micro Center:
No need to be theatrical or threatening about it.
:shrug:
Edit: All right, I'll shut up about the ships and go back to saving Zen. Gosh.
Do you remember what Cpt. Janeway says every time she was threat from other species?
Well, I guess apply here.
Wrong title and action. BTW, each species (minus 1) who threat Janeway ends bad. Do you ever learn something from that??
All I'm saying is that I would rather spend my time and resources upgrading a ship I actually care about than chuck it out the window for the "latest & greatest." There are dozens of ways to do that - from upgrading existing bridge officer slots or base stats, to adding completely new abilities like the cruiser commands or some form of "secondary power relays."
Maybe some of that will be part of the 5->5.5 stuff, maybe it won't - I have no idea yet. If they do, great. If not, I'll just move on to something more entertaining. This is just a game, and I've said my peace.
Feel free to keep bumping, though.
I didn't see him threaten a dec, like saying hell show up at their homes or anything.. and he has a right as a player to express his concearns.. the same right that all yall seem to think you have to try and debunk how someone feels about the game..
honestly guys, lately it seems the fan boy bus will do or say anything to try and debunk a good argument..
as for the ships he stated being behind already, well, they might not have the greatest loadouts, but they are still endgame compatible.
i will say this, i have issued my warning as well.. i am a fan of star trek ships, im not a huge fan of the cryptic designs (well in fed where i play, klink and romulans have some pretty cool craptic designs.).. and, the ships i choose, and have paid money for, many times over in some cases, are the ships i wish to continue using in my star trek universe (which is what i log into). now, being that we do not have all the data to conclude weather or not t5 ships will be useless or not, i will not make any solid judgements yet.. but, given cryptics worsening track record for this sort of thing, if i cant fly my ships, that i have paid money for, and be competitive at endgame come the expansion, i will leave. i do not like being ripped off, and i do not like strong armed into anything i don't want or like.
also, upgrading the t5 ships to t6 quality, better be cheap and easy.. i have already spent enough money buying said ships, then buying the t5 upgrade, and then buying a fleet module to upgrade them to fleet quality.. i am tired of buying the same ship over and over and over again...
im for the first time in a long time very excited about the expansion (must come as a shock to a lot of people lol) but, this overshadows everything that excites me.. this is a basic proponent to the game, and as such, i cannot enjoy the game if i cannot be what i want to be.. (yes, your ship is like your character. it would be like logging in, and only having one costume that your character could wear..
As this thread has already started to go down hill, and will almost certainly continue, I'm closing this now.
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